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CO Starts Cabin Upgrades On 752 Fleet.

Fri Aug 03, 2007 12:33 pm

I got this bulletin today.

757-200 CABIN UPGRADE PROJECT


This bulletin describes the planned upgrades to the 757-200 passenger cabin.


Continental Airlines will modify its fleet of 757-200 aircraft to upgrade the passenger cabin. The project will start with A/C 130 in MCO in August 2007 and continue through October 2008 during heavy maintenance and special holds. Here is a summary of the planned changes:

· Seats

o All existing Economy seats will be removed and replaced with new BE Spectrum seats. The new seats will be reinstalled in the same location as the removed seats.

· In-Seat Power

o The KID In-Seat Power system, which is currently installed on all BusinessFirst seats and Economy seats forward of the exit row, will be extended to the entire Economy cabin. All passengers will have access to in-seat power.

o The AC Outlet Unit (ACOU) in the BusinessFirst seat will be removed and replaced with an outlet that is compatible with UK plugs.


· Passenger Entertainment System

o The Panasonic eFX Audio/Video On-Demand (AVOD) system, which is currently installed on all BusinessFirst seats, will be extended to the entire Economy cabin. All passengers will have access to AVOD.

o The existing Digital Audio Entertainment System (DAES) will be removed.

o Overhead monitors in the BusinessFirst cabin and in the front row of the Economy cabin will be removed and replaced with new overhead monitors. All remaining overhead monitors will be removed.

Ship 130 is scheduled in this Saturday, 08/05
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Fri Aug 03, 2007 12:36 pm

As a f/a that works this aircraft a lot, I, and the rest of my colleagues, eagerly await the changes. It will make the 757 a little more manageable and bearable for the pond crossing.
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RE: CO Starts Cabin Upgrades On 752 Fleet.

Fri Aug 03, 2007 1:00 pm

Quoting MX757 (Thread starter):
BE Spectrum seats

what is that?
 
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Fri Aug 03, 2007 1:31 pm

CO's doing this on the 75s, without any weight issues. Delta with your excellent 763 Coach IFE, (ptvs postponed for "weight reasons") are you listening?
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RE: CO Starts Cabin Upgrades On 752 Fleet.

Fri Aug 03, 2007 1:39 pm

This is great news, looking forward to the introduction. I flew MCO-EWR in Business First in May and enjoyed the AVOD, glad to see it being installed in economy.
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RE: CO Starts Cabin Upgrades On 752 Fleet.

Fri Aug 03, 2007 2:00 pm

Quoting MX757 (Thread starter):
August 2007 and continue through October 2008

Does this mean all aircraft will be done in Oct. 08? So if I were to, say, take a trip to London in July 08, I would most likely be on an AVOD equipped 757 (provided I was not on a 777)?
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RE: CO Starts Cabin Upgrades On 752 Fleet.

Fri Aug 03, 2007 2:45 pm

If I am flying to DUB at the end of November on a 757...what is the likelyhood that I will fly on one of these?
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Fri Aug 03, 2007 4:52 pm

Quoting 737DAB320 (Reply 7):
If I am flying to DUB at the end of November on a 757...what is the likelyhood that I will fly on one of these?

50/50. looks like they are doing about 3 a month, so by Nov, there will be 10-13, or about 1/4 of the fleet. with two flights (there and back), it makes it 35-50% chance you'd be on one at least once.
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Fri Aug 03, 2007 6:41 pm

Hi!

Congratulations CO for that!!! That will bring a healthy competition for the portuguese market...has you know TP is phasing-out their A310-300's from November on ( arrival of the first factory fresh A330-200...) so all long-haul flights, including EWR will be operated by the A330-200, so CO can directly compete with TP with that new upgrade. The rest I think is very good, meal service and crew response.....my guess is that US might need to upgrade their service too from LIS or make huge discounts to have people flying from Portugal....we'll see!
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Fri Aug 03, 2007 7:07 pm

AVOD alone certainly makes the 752 a more attarctive option straight away for transatlantic. This will benefit BFS greatly with out only daily link to the states.

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Fri Aug 03, 2007 11:56 pm

Quoting BHD (Reply 10):
AVOD alone certainly makes the 752 a more attarctive option straight away for transatlantic.

The seats look a little thinner, too, so it may give 1/2 in more knee room. Plus less room under the seats taken by equipment, and 110V power in all seats, makes it a true international jet (even if it is a single aisle).
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RE: CO Starts Cabin Upgrades On 752 Fleet.

Sat Aug 04, 2007 12:10 am

Waitaminute... So what about that iPod integration upgrade they raved about last year? Which part of the fleet does that affect? And if they're removing most of the overhead monitors, will they have something similar to the 777s/767s where there'll be a single TV overhead of the aisle every few rows showing flight data? All-in-all, these upgrades seem pretty sweet and I hope they extend them to the rest of the long-haul/wide-body fleet in the near future.
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Sat Aug 04, 2007 12:25 am

Quoting ThePalauan (Reply 12):
And if they're removing most of the overhead monitors, will they have something similar to the 777s/767s where there'll be a single TV overhead of the aisle every few rows showing flight data?

I was confused by that too. No way they would put them in the aisle, so I guess they go away.

As for iPod kits, just because it isn't mentioned doesn't mean it will or won't be equipped. But I do wonder if the Panasonic system they have already installed for AVOD can do the iPod, or only if the new systems they are putting into the 777 and 767 (and 787) can do it.
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RE: CO Starts Cabin Upgrades On 752 Fleet.

Sat Aug 04, 2007 12:30 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 8):
50/50. looks like they are doing about 3 a month, so by Nov, there will be 10-13, or about 1/4 of the fleet. with two flights (there and back), it makes it 35-50% chance you'd be on one at least once.

Surely is one quarter of the fleet is likely to be upgraded by the end of November, 737DAB320's chances of getting one is 1 in 4 - neither 50/50 nor 35-50% chance!  Wink
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RE: CO Starts Cabin Upgrades On 752 Fleet.

Sat Aug 04, 2007 1:06 am

Quoting Eurohub (Reply 14):
Surely is one quarter of the fleet is likely to be upgraded by the end of November, 737DAB320's chances of getting one is 1 in 4 - neither 50/50 nor 35-50% chance! Wink

Ah but presumably he's coming back from DUB also - so he would have two shots at it - a 50% chance  Smile
 
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RE: CO Starts Cabin Upgrades On 752 Fleet.

Sat Aug 04, 2007 1:10 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 13):
I was confused by that too. No way they would put them in the aisle, so I guess they go away.

Airshow will be available on each screen. No longer a need for overhead monitors with it being shown.
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RE: CO Starts Cabin Upgrades On 752 Fleet.

Sat Aug 04, 2007 1:51 am

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 16):
Airshow will be available on each screen. No longer a need for overhead monitors with it being shown.

Will it be using Airshow or the Panasonic iXPLOR program? Ever since Delta installed the Panasonic eFX system on their aircraft, Airshow has been replaced by iXPLOR. I think it would make more sense to use iXPLOR as it is included as part of the eFX system. Airshow can work with IFE systems from any manufacturer, but is an integrated part of Rockwell Collins' TES series systems. I don't think that Thales currently offers their own moving map program, so if an airline were to choose Thales IFE, then Airshow would be the only option for a moving map.
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Sat Aug 04, 2007 2:08 am

Its a good thing CO is finally giving the passenger cabin upgrades to the 752 in coach. I just flew EWR-LAX and SFO-EWR with the old seats (installed mid 1990s) and found them to be very uncomfortable.
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RE: CO Starts Cabin Upgrades On 752 Fleet.

Sat Aug 04, 2007 7:10 am

I was looking at the seats on www.bespectrum.com and I was wondering, in all the pictures on the site the seats are a shade of red. Does this mean the new CO seats will be red or is the color there to make the seat seem more appealing?
 
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Sat Aug 04, 2007 7:17 am

Quoting Fllcontinental (Reply 19):
Does this mean the new CO seats will be red or is the color there to make the seat seem more appealing?

The red leather is their demonstrater model; CO can specify whatever fabric it wants to cover the new seats, I assume it will be the standard CO ble/gray fabric that is seen thoughout the fleet on Y class seats?
 
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Sat Aug 04, 2007 7:21 am

Quoting BHD (Reply 10):
AVOD alone certainly makes the 752 a more attarctive option straight away for transatlantic. This will benefit BFS greatly with out only daily link to the states.

With EI moving into BFS, CO might have some competition across the Atlantic coming soon!
 
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Sat Aug 04, 2007 7:47 am

This can't happen soon enough!

Quoting COEI2007 (Reply 21):
With EI moving into BFS, CO might have some competition across the Atlantic coming soon!

CO are certainly operating very busy from BFS just now though, overbooked on a regular basis. If I remember rightly EWR-BFS tonight is overbooked by 12!
 
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Sat Aug 04, 2007 7:58 am

Quoting ScottishLaddie (Reply 22):
Quoting COEI2007 (Reply 21):
With EI moving into BFS, CO might have some competition across the Atlantic coming soon!

CO are certainly operating very busy from BFS just now though, overbooked on a regular basis. If I remember rightly EWR-BFS tonight is overbooked by 12!

Yeah, I remember BFS flights do very well. Flights ex EWR are regularly overbooked by 12 and more, but i'm sure there will be a few no-shows.
 
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RE: CO Starts Cabin Upgrades On 752 Fleet.

Sat Aug 04, 2007 8:23 am

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 17):
Panasonic iXPLOR program? Ever since Delta installed the Panasonic eFX system on their aircraft, Airshow has been replaced by iXPLOR. I think it would make more sense to use iXPLOR as it is included as part of the eFX system. Airshow can work with IFE systems from any manufacturer, but is an integrated part of Rockwell Collins' TES series systems. I don't think that Thales currently offers their own moving map program, so if an airline were to choose Thales IFE, then Airshow would be the only option for a moving map.

I used Airshow as a generic term (I know that Airshow is an actual product) like band-aid or kleenex. The current system is the iXPLOR and has route information through the eFX system. It will be what is used for the 757 upgrade as it is currently used for all 41 ships (all 757-200).
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RE: CO Starts Cabin Upgrades On 752 Fleet.

Sat Aug 04, 2007 9:02 am

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 24):
I used Airshow as a generic term (I know that Airshow is an actual product) like band-aid or kleenex. The current system is the iXPLOR and has route information through the eFX system. It will be what is used for the 757 upgrade as it is currently used for all 41 ships (all 757-200).

That's okay. I usually generically refer such systems as a "moving map" system.
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RE: CO Starts Cabin Upgrades On 752 Fleet.

Sat Aug 04, 2007 9:19 am

Quoting 737DAB320 (Reply 7):
I would most likely be on an AVOD equipped 757 (provided I was not on a 777)?

777 are getting AVOD throughout the entire fleet as well.
 
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RE: CO Starts Cabin Upgrades On 752 Fleet.

Sat Aug 04, 2007 9:40 am

Quoting Star_world (Reply 15):
Quoting Eurohub (Reply 14):
Surely is one quarter of the fleet is likely to be upgraded by the end of November, 737DAB320's chances of getting one is 1 in 4 - neither 50/50 nor 35-50% chance! Wink


Ah but presumably he's coming back from DUB also - so he would have two shots at it - a 50% chance

hmm...I am actually coming back from ATH on a 767-200. Going around europe for three weeks visiting a bunch of cities! I hope I am on one of the newly configured 757s!
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RE: CO Starts Cabin Upgrades On 752 Fleet.

Sat Aug 04, 2007 9:46 am

I hope they are not the leather shown.

That does not work in an aircraft!
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RE: CO Starts Cabin Upgrades On 752 Fleet.

Sat Aug 04, 2007 11:12 am

Quoting Max Q (Reply 28):

Nah, definitely don't think CO would go for that.

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 20):
their demonstrater model; CO can specify whatever fabric it wants to cover the new seats
 
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RE: CO Starts Cabin Upgrades On 752 Fleet.

Sat Aug 04, 2007 12:35 pm

To the best of my knowledge, COs fleet does not have leather seats anywhere else; so I doubt you will see leather on the 757s; although more carriers are moving toward leather as it tends to hold up better than cloth seating over time. For the passenger on long haul, cloth breathes and leather does not, so it can get a little sticky when it gets hot. That said, I just took a ride on AS's 734 with the new leather interior; the seats were quite comfortable.

CO will not be changing the pitch (it will stay at 31"), but from what I can see of the design of the seat, it would appear that it is a significant improvement, especially if the seat pan moves forward as the seat back reclines. The higher tray table and the contoured design give more knee room without requiring additional space. The seat and arm rests are also quite narrow, so the width will be increased by probably a half inch or so. You can't believe how much difference a half inch of seat width makes on a long flight.

As for the AVOD, its about time. I thought that CO would not let DL get away with an improved 757 product without stepping up to the plate and bringing their fleet competitive. Time will tell if passengers like this new seat, but from what I can see, it seems like it will be a significant improvement over the existing seat, which from all accounts is a horror in Economy.

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Sat Aug 04, 2007 1:10 pm

As someone who spends a lot of time in both ends of a CO 75 I sincerely hope the new seats do not have that awful feature where the seat pan moves forward as the back reclines.

Whoever the idiot was that invented this should be made to sit in it as their design sacriifices the little usable legroom left in coach as you recline.
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Sat Aug 04, 2007 1:37 pm

cant wait to fly one, going to lax in december on a 757-200 with CO, and i sure hope i get an upgraded one.
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RE: CO Starts Cabin Upgrades On 752 Fleet.

Sat Aug 04, 2007 1:42 pm

Quoting COGlobeTrotter (Reply 26):
777 are getting AVOD throughout the entire fleet as well.

With the same new seats, or just upgrading the existing PTV's?

So, after the 757's, are the 737NG's next? Will the 739ER's come with this?
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RE: CO Starts Cabin Upgrades On 752 Fleet.

Sat Aug 04, 2007 1:43 pm

Quoting Max Q (Reply 31):
As someone who spends a lot of time in both ends of a CO 75 I sincerely hope the new seats do not have that awful feature where the seat pan moves forward as the back reclines.Whoever the idiot was that invented this should be made to sit in it as their design sacriifices the little usable legroom left in coach as you recline.

As long as the person in front of you reclines as well (which, in my experience, occurs more often than not), the amount of legroom you have shouldn't change. It's a sort of domino effect.
 
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Sat Aug 04, 2007 1:47 pm

i guess the thing that remains to be seen is, will the new seats actually be comfortable? if they're 1/2 inch thinner, that would assumably mean 1/2 inch less padding, so 1/2 inch less comfort for those of us who like to fly but can't afford business class. since i'm only 5'6 i really don't care about legroom, but if i'm going to be in that seat for 8 hours, i want padding for my bum. Also, i'd like Co to be the first airline to make Avod user friendly. i've tried Avod three times and came away completely frustrated, it's just way too complicated.
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RE: CO Starts Cabin Upgrades On 752 Fleet.

Sat Aug 04, 2007 7:17 pm

Quoting Max Q (Reply 31):
that awful feature where the seat pan moves forward as the back reclines.

You're kidding... that's a great feature! Improves "reclining courtesy" to the person behind!
 
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Sat Aug 04, 2007 9:26 pm

Can anyone associated with the CO refit project tell me which seat cover style was selected? The BE link below shows the five choices:

http://www.bespectrum.com/index.php?section=news&id=2

Personally, I like 'D'.
 
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Sun Aug 05, 2007 12:27 am

Quoting CF-CPI (Reply 37):
Can anyone associated with the CO refit project tell me which seat cover style was selected? The BE link below shows the five choices:

Guarantee they probably picked something boring like A or B...
 
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Sun Aug 05, 2007 2:14 am

I flew CGN-EWR two weeks ago and returned this morning. It was my first trans-Atlantic in a single aisle and it wasn't as bad as I thought it would be. The inflight service was fine. On the outbound the seats had adjustable headrests, the seats on the return flight didn't. I did notice the difference. If CO puts one of the upgraded planes on the CGN route, I just may choose them more often.

As soon as I get around to it, I'll do a trip report.
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RE: CO Starts Cabin Upgrades On 752 Fleet.

Sun Aug 05, 2007 2:16 am

It's a much more fuel efficient 707... I can still remember flying 707s over the Atlantic. no AVOD but the seats were alot further apart.
 
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RE: CO Starts Cabin Upgrades On 752 Fleet.

Sun Aug 05, 2007 2:24 am

Quoting Cgnnrw (Reply 39):
I flew CGN-EWR two weeks ago and returned this morning. It was my first trans-Atlantic in a single aisle and it wasn't as bad as I thought it would be. The inflight service was fine. On the outbound the seats had adjustable headrests, the seats on the return flight didn't. I did notice the difference. If CO puts one of the upgraded planes on the CGN route, I just may choose them more often.

The 757 is fine for transatlantic flights.....comfort is much more dependent upon individual space, service and IFE than the actual size of the airplane. CGN-EWR is a perfect example of a route that could not be flown with a larger airplane.....which was better, that nonstop CGN-EWR flight or having to fly or take the train to FRA and then fly to EWR (NYC)? Connecting in FRA would add hours to your journey.

(BY the way, you are a neighbor, I live only about 1 hour from Cologne.)

Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 40):
can still remember flying 707s over the Atlantic. no AVOD but the seats were alot further apart.

But we are old.  Smile I also remember very comfortable 707 flights over the oceans.....with roomy coach seats and IFE being a slighty out of focus movie shown by projector, but times have changed.

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RE: CO Starts Cabin Upgrades On 752 Fleet.

Sun Aug 05, 2007 2:45 am

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 41):
The 757 is fine for transatlantic flights.....comfort is much more dependent upon individual space, service and IFE than the actual size of the airplane. CGN-EWR is a perfect example of a route that could not be flown with a larger airplane.....which was better, that nonstop CGN-EWR flight or having to fly or take the train to FRA and then fly to EWR (NYC)? Connecting in FRA would add hours to your journey.

(BY the way, you are a neighbor, I live only about 1 hour from Cologne.)

Hi neighbor!

Both flights were quite full in econ and biz class. On the outbound flight I think biz was full and there were only about 3 or 4 empty seats in the econ cabin. The return wasn't quite as full but still a pretty good load. So I guess CO did its homework and really chose the right aircraft for this route.

Actually, I haven't flown out of FRA for a long time. The past few years I've been going out of DUS whenever I fly to the US. Usually with AF via CDG to PHL. A big fan of AF. I did use DL for the first time this summer as well. Yes, the CGN-EWR flight is very convenient and will probably use it again next time I go to NYC area.

Feel free to drop me an email. Would be fun to meet up sometime.

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Sun Aug 05, 2007 3:44 am

thanks, Dutch. You'll have an invite to the party later today!
 
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RE: CO Starts Cabin Upgrades On 752 Fleet.

Sun Aug 05, 2007 3:56 am

Quoting NorthstarBoy (Reply 35):
if they're 1/2 inch thinner, that would assumably mean 1/2 inch less padding, so 1/2 inch less comfort for those of us who like to fly but can't afford business class.

Not at all. Airline seats form the past were built on metal frames, which were then shrouded in a hamoc/sling fabric, then a cushion applied to it, but now there are more options, like plastic shells/pans which are built in a shape that provides it's own rigidity. So the same cushion can be applied to it, but the whole thing comes out thinner.

Of course, there are also some god awful thin seats. hopefully the ones CO chose are nice.

Quoting Cory6188 (Reply 38):
Guarantee they probably picked something boring like A or B...

My guess is the fabric with the blue on blue "random strokes" pattern. It would be nice to see them switch it up with 1/3rd seats with the silver on grey pattern of the same type, similar to how XE as COex does mostly blue, but some grey leather seats in the E145s.
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RE: CO Starts Cabin Upgrades On 752 Fleet.

Sun Aug 05, 2007 7:05 am

Quoting UN_B732 (Reply 4):
CO's doing this on the 75s, without any weight issues

The AVOD digital system is 400# lighter then the old system.

One of many reasons you will see these on more a/c .
 
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RE: CO Starts Cabin Upgrades On 752 Fleet.

Sun Aug 05, 2007 7:09 am

Quoting ADXMatt (Reply 45):
The AVOD digital system is 400# lighter then the old system.

One of many reasons you will see these on more a/c

And the AVOD system allowed CO to dump the old video closet on the 752 (by door 2L) and add back three extra coach seats.
 
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Sun Aug 05, 2007 7:15 am

Quoting ADXMatt (Reply 45):
The AVOD digital system is 400# lighter then the old system. One of many reasons you will see these on more a/c

I'd also bet the new seats are lighter than the old, so the added weight of the LCD screens (which are now under a pound all in) doesn't hurt either.

I'm surprised that so many airlines are still flying around with CRT screens in the aisles of their 757s, 767s and 737s. Those things are heavy, and even without doing much of an upgrade, airlines can retrofit LCD screens into the enclosures and save 30 pounds per unit. 8 per narrowbody, that's about 300 pounds saved right there! Not to mention less power use...
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RE: CO Starts Cabin Upgrades On 752 Fleet.

Sun Aug 12, 2007 4:39 pm

I think that this is a very smart move by CO, their 757 transatlantic product will be very similar to DL's when the ex-TWA 57's come online.

I do agree however, that thinner seats, while fine for short haul, do not seem as padded as the older style ones.