BlueSkys
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More Routes To Greenland?

Sat Aug 04, 2007 1:09 am

I was looking at some pics of Air Greenland and decided to do some research. They are a fairly large carrier with modern aircraft considering the location.

Greenland sees over 250,000 visitors a year and there is only one direct route from North America which is Baltimore to Kangerlussuaq on board Air Greenland. Could some more routes be possibly profitable? Say from YYZ? As well I could see more routes expanding tourism and business in Greenland, which is a very largely untapped market rich in natural resources.

Alaska is a HUGE for a northern located tourist destination, why not Greenland?


http://www.airgreenland.com/usa-greenland/

http://www.greenland.com/

http://www.greenlandexpo.com/

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RE: More Routes To Greenland?

Sat Aug 04, 2007 1:20 am

Ive often thought that CO or DL should try REK or Greenland from EWR and JFK respectively. Seasonally of course. A 738 or 757 would do the trick.
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RE: More Routes To Greenland?

Sat Aug 04, 2007 2:36 am

I thought FirstAir 7F used to fly from YFB ( Iqaluit, Nunavut, Canada) to Nuuk, Greenland (GOH). It might have even been a code share with Air Greenland. Can't remember details. They fly from Ottawa and from Montreal to Iqaluit now.
 
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RE: More Routes To Greenland?

Sat Aug 04, 2007 3:01 am

Atlantic Airways of the Faroe Islands (Flugflag Islands (AirIceland) ) have started operating a scheduled twice weekly flight to Narsarsuaq in Southern Greenland from Reykjavik with the BAe146/RJ, not sure if that runs through the winter though. I think they offer a through booking on CPH-FAE-RKV-UAK, but that would be a long way on the 146!!! They also fly day trips to Nuuk in South Western Greenland on the DHC8-100 and a summer schedule of once weekly flights to Kulusuk on the East of Greenland with the F50.

I think also SAS fly to Kangerlussuak with one of their A319s, again though I think it's just a summer service.


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RE: More Routes To Greenland?

Sat Aug 04, 2007 3:07 am

Alaska is a HUGE for a northern located tourist destination, why not Greenland?

Because it is not American.
 
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RE: More Routes To Greenland?

Sat Aug 04, 2007 3:49 am

The loads I have seen on the Air Greenland flights to and from BWI do not inspire for more flights. I will be very surprised if Air Greenland repeats this next sunner.
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RE: More Routes To Greenland?

Sat Aug 04, 2007 4:27 am

Quoting BlueSkys (Thread starter):
Could some more routes be possibly profitable? Say from YYZ? As well I could see more routes expanding tourism and business in Greenland....

Only just over 40,000 souls live in Greenland. Busy and hard working people year around. And they are widely spread in many villages mostly on the west coast.

There is no workforce to run tourist hotels one or two months a year only. It's not possible to make tourist class hotels economic when they are empty 10 or 11 months each year.

The villages are so small that an ordinary tourist with no very special interests in the country can hardly spend more than a couple of days at one place. Distances are far, and no roads. Domestic air service (to a large extent with helicopters) is very expensive.

Air Greenland is there to provide internal and external business infrastructure, both cargo and passengers. 12 months a year. And they are doing a great job in very tough conditions. Anyway it happens not to seldom that a plane gets delayed several day or even a week due to weather. That fit badly to modern tourism. Few tourists are prepared to get stuck for several days and shell out one or two thousand dollars extra on the hotel bill.

Over the last 20 years there have been several plans to build a tourist industry in Greenland. It all came to practically nothing. The workforce to support it is simply not there. And if it was built, then prices would be so high that the potential customers wouldn't make it.

Most tourism in Greenland is on cruise ships. They have their own on board support. But that is also limited. And expensive. It is very difficult and dangerous water. You have to stay many miles clear of large icebergs. Not for risk of collision, but sometimes those bastards turn over and create waves which can destroy large ships when too close. Or glaciers can suddenly drop millions of tons of ice from high up into the sea and create the same or even worse effect. Cruise ship insurance companies accept that, but they also know how to write bills.

You may compare the beauties of Greenland and Alaska. But speaking about basic turist infrastructure they are two entirely different worlds which just as well could have been placed on two different planets.
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RE: More Routes To Greenland?

Sat Aug 04, 2007 5:01 am

Quoting Drgmobile (Reply 4):
Because it is not American.

Are you indicating the simplicity due to citizenship? I dont really understand your answer what so ever.
 
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RE: More Routes To Greenland?

Sat Aug 04, 2007 8:13 pm

Quoting Prebennorholm (Reply 6):
Most tourism in Greenland is on cruise ships. They have their own on board support. But that is also limited. And expensive. It is very difficult and dangerous water. You have to stay many miles clear of large icebergs

This is a very ironic post. I am an officer on a cruise ship and as I write this we are in fog just off Prins Crhistian Sund, Greenland, on our way to Qaqortoq tomorrow. We are having a slow time of it, avoiding the ice.

We were in Nuuk several weeks ago with much better weather. At that time I discussed the Air Greenland situation with local officials. Loads are modest but they are pleased with even these results. They expect the Baltimore service to continue. A new hotel is opening soon in Nuuk and another one in Qaqortoq. The government is working very hard to attract more tourism and not just from cruise passengers. They are actively looking for additional carriers to offer seasonal service form North America. I wish them all the best. This is a beautiful place!

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RE: More Routes To Greenland?

Mon Aug 06, 2007 10:33 am

Quoting Nomadic (Reply 8):
This is a very ironic post. I am an officer on a cruise ship and as I write this we are in fog just off Prins Crhistian Sund, Greenland, on our way to Qaqortoq tomorrow. We are having a slow time of it, avoiding the ice.

We were in Nuuk several weeks ago with much better weather. At that time I discussed the Air Greenland situation with local officials. Loads are modest but they are pleased with even these results. They expect the Baltimore service to continue. A new hotel is opening soon in Nuuk and another one in Qaqortoq. The government is working very hard to attract more tourism and not just from cruise passengers. They are actively looking for additional carriers to offer seasonal service form North America. I wish them all the best. This is a beautiful place!

Thanks for the first hand insight!

I really believe it is a great investment for business there. I think tourism will grow, land there now i am guessing is almost free... A good place to land bank in the right location i think...


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RE: More Routes To Greenland?

Mon Aug 06, 2007 10:57 pm

Quoting BlueSkys (Reply 7):
Quoting Drgmobile (Reply 4):
Because it is not American.

Are you indicating the simplicity due to citizenship? I dont really understand your answer what so ever.

Many people in the US have the unfortunate viewpoint that "foreign = bad".
For many others, it simply wouldn't occur to them to vacation outside the US for whatever reason...either because without actually "doing the numbers" they automatically assume that a vacation to another country would be more expensive or logistically more difficult than a vacation to a comparable location within the US, or they feel that they would be "lost" in a foreign culture, or they simply don't realize there is a whole 95%-of-a-planet outside of the US borders. Or perhaps they just feel that given the choice between two similar things (Alaska and Greenland, Ford and Toyota, whatever), it is their patriotic duty to buy the American one. Or maybe they have some other reasons that I'm not thinking of here. I don't know...it's hard for me to try to imagine that mindset, since I don't agree with it at all; personally I love visiting other nations and expanding my horizons, and I think the makers of a non-American product have just as much right to a livelihood as the makers of a competing American product. Although I am starting to be conscious of the fact that buying items made near where I live conserves fuel, which is a good thing.

One final note - if I've offended anyone with my ramblings, I'm sorry. But let's not turn this thread into an argument about US patriotism or lack thereof. This thread is about airline routes to Greenland.

[Edited 2007-08-06 15:59:53]
 
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RE: More Routes To Greenland?

Tue Aug 07, 2007 12:27 am

Quoting Chase (Reply 10):
Many people in the US have the unfortunate viewpoint that "foreign = bad".

Yea many Americans do have that mind set, but the thing is the Americans that can afford to travel dont. Americans travel all over the world, and there is alot of them. Like it places like Rome, London, Paris when I was in Rome is was 60% other nations tourist and 40% Americans. There was an article just out in the Ny times stating even with the high Euro and pound Americans are still traveling to Europe and many other countries around to world.
You are right there are people that dont really want to travel outside the US because it is outside the US, but 98% of those people probably could not afford to travel outside the US. Americans which can afford to travel do and go all over the world.

Greenland is a very hard place to get to, not known well and can only be traveled to 1-2months a year that is why not many people go there.
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RE: More Routes To Greenland?

Tue Aug 07, 2007 7:45 am

Quoting Dgehfx (Reply 2):
I thought FirstAir 7F used to fly from YFB ( Iqaluit, Nunavut, Canada) to Nuuk, Greenland (GOH). It might have even been a code share with Air Greenland. Can't remember details.

Yes FirstAir operated YFB-SFJ for several years until October 2001. It may have been to GOH at one point but when it stopped it was to/from SFJ (Kangerlussuaq, formerly Sondre Stromfjord). I think it operated once a week using a B727. Here's a related local news item re the last flight. According to this item, Greenlandair (now Air Greenland) was sharing the revenue and expenses but ended that arrangement which resulted in the route being dropped.
http://www.nunatsiaq.com/archives/nu...ut011102/news/nunavut/11102_2.html

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