thirteenright
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B6 Reports Good July

Tue Aug 07, 2007 3:11 am

Traffic and load factor grow, but congestion hurts B6's on-time performance.

http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2007/08/06/ap3991222.html
 
jetbluefan1
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RE: B6 Reports Good July

Tue Aug 07, 2007 8:40 am

Very nice RASM increase - 11%! That beat JetBlue's original expectation of 7-9%, so that's a good sign.

Operational performance still sucks, but it's July - what do ya expect?

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pgh234
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RE: B6 Reports Good July

Tue Aug 07, 2007 9:07 am

Yes, it is a good July when B6 takes 17 hours out of my weekend for a simple PIT-JFK r/t. I am driving next time...it is quicker and cheaper. Their operations in JFK are a joke until their new terminal opens and the FAA/B6 does something to limit/improve congestion at the airport.

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InTheSky74
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RE: B6 Reports Good July

Tue Aug 07, 2007 11:25 am

I believe you need to blame ATC - as all NY airports are now experiencing gridlock.....

Thank DL for adding flights on every route that B6 adds.....

Nobody wanted JFK before B6 got there...
 
jetbluefan1
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RE: B6 Reports Good July

Tue Aug 07, 2007 1:00 pm

The July numbers aren't out at the DOT yet, but according to June figures, B6 was more on-time at JFK than DL by nearly 15 points. DL was in the high 30's while B6 was in the low 50's.

The fact that JetBlue, which has a larger operation at JFK than DL, is able to operate more on-time than DL at an airport that both airlines refer to as a "hub" is rather impressive.

In addition, taking a second look at July RASM, it's even more impressive considering the addition of JFK/BOS-SFO, LGB-ORD, JFK/BOS-AUA/CUN which helped keep average stage length long. Also, last July was a very good month for JetBlue, so this is only an improvement on something that was already great to begin with.

For August numbers I would expect something similar - under the assumption that there is no terror alert and liquid ban like last year.

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col
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RE: B6 Reports Good July

Tue Aug 07, 2007 9:04 pm

Always add 4 to 26 hours when flying DL via JFK. Don't expect baggage or assistance when they play the weather game. Biggest shambles you will ever come across for service. The job of Customer Service agent for DL at JFK is not something I would relish, as everyday must be the same, screwed passengers shouting and being abusive.

All this we must have frequency crap!! Just give me a time I can rely on, maybe I have to wait an hour or so longer, but I would know it would leave on time.
 
aajfksjubklyn
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RE: B6 Reports Good July

Tue Aug 07, 2007 9:37 pm

Best time to travel JFK is 11:00am to 4:00. After that it's a roll of the dice. I used to love JFK, and have been leaning more towards LGA these days..even with Thunderstorms, at least it is slot controlled and the max delay is 2 hours (Normally at worst)...JFK it's unknown. A gamble. Then embrace the fact that planes are going 'mechanical' more often, and then flight crews going illegal because of the delays.
 
Jerseyguy
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RE: B6 Reports Good July

Tue Aug 07, 2007 9:47 pm

Quoting AAJFKSJUBKLYN (Reply 6):
Best time to travel JFK is 11:00am to 4:00. After that it's a roll of the dice. I used to love JFK, and have been leaning more towards LGA these days..even with Thunderstorms, at least it is slot controlled and the max delay is 2 hours (Normally at worst)...JFK it's unknown. A gamble. Then embrace the fact that planes are going 'mechanical' more often, and then flight crews going illegal because of the delays.

Yeah, I remember when JFK was least delayed airport. Back in May 2004, I was flying BUF-JFK on Jetblue. Continentals flight to EWR and USAirways flight to LGA were both delayed but my Jetblue flight to JFK was ontime. This is of course before DL formed a hub there.
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aajfksjubklyn
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RE: B6 Reports Good July

Tue Aug 07, 2007 10:14 pm

Now I know why AA has such a big operation at LGA and didn't move more flights to JFK. I am travelling to MIA this friday and quickly picked LGA over JFK based on my last 7 experiences at JFK. It costs more to park there but its worth it, with all the delays at JFK I have added days of parking costs, whereas at LGA it a few hours here and there if there is a delay. Then that overcrowded and operationally stupid Airtrain at JFK. It comes and goes when it wants!!
 
richierich
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RE: B6 Reports Good July

Wed Aug 08, 2007 12:30 am

Quoting JetBluefan1 (Reply 4):
The fact that JetBlue, which has a larger operation at JFK than DL, is able to operate more on-time than DL at an airport that both airlines refer to as a "hub" is rather impressive.



Quoting InTheSky74 (Reply 3):
I believe you need to blame ATC - as all NY airports are now experiencing gridlock.....

Thank DL for adding flights on every route that B6 adds.....

Nobody wanted JFK before B6 got there...

Maybe this is all part of Delta's grand plan to attack JetBlue!
Seriously, you can't exactly blame Delta for all of the problems at JFK. I think that some of the problems are at least of JetBlue's own making.. they need to branch out and diversify a little perhaps. Its going to be tough for them - especially with the new terminal coming next year - but I'm not sure how else to fix the problems.

Everybody blames RJs and props for congestion at JFK but in my experience they represent such a small percentage of the overall flights. Even if you removed every flight from the airport operated by an aircraft with less than 70 seats, you'd still have delays. And as more flights continue to be added, it wouldn't be long before the current delays would be the norm again.
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mtb555
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RE: B6 Reports Good July

Wed Aug 08, 2007 1:52 am

Quoting Richierich (Reply 9):
Seriously, you can't exactly blame Delta for all of the problems at JFK

Very true, but they are certainly one of the major players at the airport right now, and there are constant turbo-props arriving and departing. The line for departure yesterday morning must have been about 90 minutes, and I saw at least 6-8 Delta regionals (whether they be props or CRJs). Not to take any congestion blame away from B6 (please don't mistake me there, B6 certainly has dozens of planes out there too, so not defending them there), but DL is certainly another big carrier adding to the congestion.

Quoting Pgh234 (Reply 2):
Their operations in JFK are a joke until their new terminal opens and the FAA/B6 does something to limit/improve congestion at the airport

When all is said and done, it's really not any airline's fault for the congestion. Sure, if the airlines take advantage of the limitless slots at the airport, they're bound to run into trouble with congestion if they add any possible flight they can. One airline won't hold back on their flight schedule if they see a competitor taking whatever they can get. The way I look at it, it's the airlines taking advantage of their ability to add as many flights as they can. True, they're shooting themselves in the foot as far as on-time performance, but perhaps if limits were imposed, none of this would be a problem?
 
enginesrus
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RE: B6 Reports Good July

Wed Aug 08, 2007 2:25 am

Quoting Richierich (Reply 9):
Everybody blames RJs and props for congestion at JFK but in my experience they represent such a small percentage of the overall flights. Even if you removed every flight from the airport operated by an aircraft with less than 70 seats, you'd still have delays. And as more flights continue to be added, it wouldn't be long before the current delays would be the norm again.

Ah - except in the case of Delta at JFK . If you compare schedules between 2004 and 2007, both Jetblue and Delta have doubled their departures out of JFK (94% for B6, 101% for DL and its regional partners). As a result, DL actually has more departures out of JFK than B6 these days, but with much smaller aircraft. Overall, of the 32,000+ additional departures added by DL per year, over 80% were using RJs and turboprops. Jetblue added just under 30,000 on A320s and 190s. If you removed every flight operated by aircraft less than or equal to 70 seats from the airport, Delta's operation at JFK alone would drop by 60%, or over 110 flights per day.
 
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RE: B6 Reports Good July

Wed Aug 08, 2007 2:32 am

Quoting EnginesRUs (Reply 11):
Ah - except in the case of Delta at JFK . If you compare schedules between 2004 and 2007, both Jetblue and Delta have doubled their departures out of JFK (94% for B6, 101% for DL and its regional partners).

Who has more of the domestic market share though?
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enginesrus
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RE: B6 Reports Good July

Wed Aug 08, 2007 4:13 am

Quoting JetBlueAUS (Reply 12):
Who has more of the domestic market share though?

Between those two carriers, no question Jetblue at JFK