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ASA FA Admits To Drinking On Board; Arrested

Tue Aug 07, 2007 5:29 am

DL Flight attendant arrested at Bluegrass Airport in Lexington. Allegedly drank Jack Daniels on Board. Reportedly screamed at pilot "You're dead."


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ASA FA Admits To Drinking On Board; Arrested

Tue Aug 07, 2007 5:40 am

Why do they show the picture of that person and add her name to it?


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RE: DL FA Admits To Drinking On Board; Arrested

Tue Aug 07, 2007 5:54 am

Quoting Tvnewsguy08 (Thread starter):
DL Flight attendant arrested at Bluegrass Airport in Lexington

Do you have something against Delta, that caused you to put them in the title?
 
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RE: DL FA Admits To Drinking On Board; Arrested

Tue Aug 07, 2007 5:55 am

Video report stated she blew a .03 Alcohol percentage yet was removed from the aircraft by a stretcher? Why would they remove her with a stretcher?
On a lighter note, I thought that when aircraft are catered in Kentucky, Jack Daniels is always part of the crew snacks?  Smile

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RE: ASA

Tue Aug 07, 2007 5:57 am

she probably needed the onboard drink to calm her jitters..looks like she parties alot and probably tied one on the night before. and had one helluva hangover..Poor thing...maybe she''ll get some help..Jail would be good for her to help sober her up !
 
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RE: ASA

Tue Aug 07, 2007 6:06 am

Quoting HALFA (Reply 3):
On a lighter note, I thought that when aircraft are catered in Kentucky, Jack Daniels is always part of the crew snacks?

Jack Daniels is Tennessee Whiskey, not Kentucky Burbon.

Quoting DALelite (Reply 1):
Why do they show the picture of that person and add her name to it?

Why...? What is the issue...? She's been charged with a crime.

[Edited 2007-08-06 23:13:17]
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RE: ASA

Tue Aug 07, 2007 6:12 am

I'd like to know more about how this unruly flight attendant managed to get as far as she did while under the influence. I say throw the book at her.

Quoting DALelite (Reply 1):
Why do they show the picture of that person and add her name to it?

What is wrong with that? News agencies show names and pictures of persons accused of committing a crime every day.

Quoting Bobnwa (Reply 2):
Do you have something against Delta, that caused you to put them in the title?

This ASA flight was probably operated under the Delta brand. Whenever it's bad news, isn't it funny how the mainline carrier always tries to distance itself as far as possible from it's regional partners? When Delta allows a company such as ASA to paint their planes in their scheme and operate a significant portion of their schedule, Delta is going to get bad press when ASA gets bad press--Live with it. At least this article doesn't mention Delta.
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RE: ASA

Tue Aug 07, 2007 6:22 am

Quoting Jhooper (Reply 6):
What is wrong with that? News agencies show names and pictures of persons accused of committing a crime every day.

something which would mostly not happen in Europe. I think, no matter the person did, he/she deserves privacay!

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RE: ASA

Tue Aug 07, 2007 6:25 am

Quoting Bobnwa (Reply 2):

The article states Atlantic Southeast Airlines, yet the footage shows DL. It's still not clear for whom she worked for. It's sad that this got out of hand to the point of having the media cover it. What a way to develop a reputation.
 
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RE: ASA

Tue Aug 07, 2007 6:28 am

Quoting DALelite (Reply 7):
something which would mostly not happen in Europe. I think, no matter the person did, he/she deserves privacay!

Welcome to the world of the U.S. media, where people are tried and convicted in the court of public opinion before the accused even sees the inside of a courtroom!

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RE: ASA

Tue Aug 07, 2007 6:32 am

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 5):
Quoting HALFA (Reply 3):
On a lighter note, I thought that when aircraft are catered in Kentucky, Jack Daniels is always part of the crew snacks?

Jack Daniels is Tennessee Whiskey, not Kentucky Burbon.

True. Think Makers Mark, Knob Creek or even (gasp!) Jim Beam - those are all bourbons.
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RE: ASA

Tue Aug 07, 2007 6:34 am

She works for ASA. Not DL
 
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RE: ASA

Tue Aug 07, 2007 6:36 am

Quoting Rlorenzo24 (Reply 8):
yet the footage shows DL.

Too bad it doesn't show Miss Mills in handcuffs behind her back being escorted to the cop car. How could the TSA not catch that if they can catch pilots? Strange!
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RE: ASA

Tue Aug 07, 2007 6:37 am

Im a little confused. I was not aware that it was a crime for a Flight Attendant to drunk while at work. Obviously, she should be fired but what crime did she commit? She wasn't part of the crew flying the plane. I would be interested if someone could show me where it is against the law.

I thought it was funny when the article said that she was "too drunk to fly". As if she were just a little less drunk then she would have been okay to fly.
 
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RE: ASA

Tue Aug 07, 2007 6:40 am

Quoting Rlorenzo24 (Reply 8):
The article states Atlantic Southeast Airlines, yet the footage shows DL. It's still not clear for whom she worked for. It's sad that this got out of hand to the point of having the media cover it. What a way to develop a reputation.

Well, looking at the flight status online at Delta's website, Flight 4865 for yesterday (12:00 PM departure from LEX, 1:26 PM arrival into ATL) was cancelled. 4865 is operated by ASA, which tells me this woman must work for ASA.

As for the footage, well, the news media always sucks with that. The "Flight Cancelled" artwork at the start of the news story is a 747. That should have been the first hint. Doubt they see too many of those in LEX. The footage of DL was stock footage taken at ATL. According to DL's flight schedule, they don't operate 737-800s or 757-200s into LEX. Only one mainline MD-88 per day. The other 7 flights a day are a mix of CRJs and ERJs.
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RE: ASA

Tue Aug 07, 2007 6:40 am

Quoting DALelite (Reply 7):

Drunks exist everywhere nowadays. Europe would not report it in the media, because it's not a priority. Certain jobs suffer more pounding in the press than others, such as Flight Attendants. The public just loves it when they screw up.
 
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RE: ASA

Tue Aug 07, 2007 6:45 am

Quoting ASFlyer (Reply 13):
m a little confused. I was not aware that it was a crime for a Flight Attendant to drunk while at work. Obviously, she should be fired but what crime did she commit? She wasn't part of the crew flying the plane. I would be interested if someone could show me where it is against the law.

It's a DOT regulation or FAA regulation, basically FA are a safety sensitive profession and require being sober while on duty....FAA/DOT regulation is that your Blood Alcohol Content(BAC) be under a certain level while on duty, however I can't remember it off the top of my head. Also, it's a FAA/DOT regulation that a FA cannot consume alcohol 8 hours prior to going on duty, however that rule varies from airline to airline(i.e. some airlines its 12hours prior).
 
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RE: ASA

Tue Aug 07, 2007 6:52 am

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 12):
How could the TSA not catch that if they can catch pilots? Strange!

According to the article, she drank onboard before the passengers boarded. The pilots the TSA have caught came thru the checkpoint and smelled of alcohol.
 
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RE: ASA

Tue Aug 07, 2007 6:52 am

Quoting ASFlyer (Reply 13):
Obviously, she should be fired but what crime did she commit?

She said this that makes it a felony:

Quoting Tvnewsguy08 (Thread starter):
Reportedly screamed at pilot "You're dead."

Not very smart on her part.
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RE: ASA

Tue Aug 07, 2007 6:58 am

Quoting DALelite (Reply 7):
something which would mostly not happen in Europe. I think, no matter the person did, he/she deserves privacay!

DALelite

Europe is worse! Off topic, but when I was in LHR on a layoevr a couple years ago, The boy in the Michael Jackson case had his name and picture plastered all over the place!
 
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RE: ASA

Tue Aug 07, 2007 7:29 am

Quoting ASFlyer (Reply 13):
I was not aware that it was a crime for a Flight Attendant to drunk while at work.

yes it is... it was stated in the news segment. I want to say it is performing duties as a flight crew member while under the influance. It's a federal crime.... not local.
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RE: ASA

Tue Aug 07, 2007 7:41 am

Quoting DALelite (Reply 7):
something which would mostly not happen in Europe. I think, no matter the person did, he/she deserves privacay!

In the US freedom of press lets them do that.

Quoting ASFlyer (Reply 13):
. I was not aware that it was a crime for a Flight Attendant to drunk while at work

FAR's state that a working crewmember may not consume alcohol within 8 hours of performing crewmember functions. FA's are crewmembers, FARs are laws. The FA broke the law and committed a crime. Do you want the person, in this case the only fa onboard, to be incapacitated if there is a fire, medical emergency or decompression in flight? The cockpit crew can't leave the flight deck to attend to these emergencies.
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RE: ASA

Tue Aug 07, 2007 8:12 am

well i think that it is wrong to give out names and pictures before someone is convicted over whatever!!!
ey, think, what happens if that person is proven right??? will she/he ever get a job again, how about housing and so on?
I agree on a punishment. but why giving out names and pictures so easily? we will loose control over the system like that easily!!!

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RE: ASA

Tue Aug 07, 2007 8:55 am

Quoting Gman3 (Reply 19):
Europe is worse! Off topic, but when I was in LHR on a layoevr a couple years ago, The boy in the Michael Jackson case had his name and picture plastered all over the place!

Just in the UK as far as I know, the British tabloids are pretty bad. Having said that if she committed the crime in the UK I doubt if she would be plastered over the paper in that way as once you're charged the case is sub judice and there are severe restrictions on what can be reported to avoid contaminating a jury pool.

Quoting DALelite (Reply 22):
well i think that it is wrong to give out names and pictures before someone is convicted over whatever!!!
ey, think, what happens if that person is proven right??? will she/he ever get a job again, how about housing and so on?

In Switzerland I think the accused can't be named in the press even after conviction. The papers tend to just give the first name and the initial of the surname. Even the Blick.

In any case, since she threatened the pilot she's probably toast.
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RE: ASA

Tue Aug 07, 2007 1:53 pm

No, I get the whole CFR part of it. I know that it's against FAA rules for a crew member to consume alcohol while on duty. I've seen FA's be fired in the past, however, for consuming alcohol while on duty and not once did the airline ever have a FA put in jail for that. I wonder whether the CFR is reason enough for a FA to be prosecuted and put in jail.

[Edited 2007-08-07 07:03:50]
 
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RE: ASA

Tue Aug 07, 2007 2:40 pm

Quoting ASFlyer (Reply 13):
Im a little confused. I was not aware that it was a crime for a Flight Attendant to drunk while at work. Obviously, she should be fired but what crime did she commit?

According to this article, she was charged with and arraignment on terroristic threatening and public alcohol intoxication. She pleaded not guilty to the charges.
 
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RE: ASA

Tue Aug 07, 2007 5:04 pm

Quoting ASFlyer (Reply 24):
wonder whether the CFR is reason enough for a FA to be prosecuted and put in jail.

I see your point. To go to jail there would have to be a criminal act and it's not clear if the regs make it such. What does the FAR say about punishment for consumption of alcohol on a plane? Is imprisonment one of the penalties?

Of course "you're dead" counts as a criminal act, I just meant the drinking.
 
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RE: ASA

Tue Aug 07, 2007 10:39 pm

Quoting DALelite (Reply 1):
Why do they show the picture of that person and add her name to it?

Funny, youd prolly never see names and faces if one of the pilots was the one being taken off the plane.....Or would you??

Were any of the Pilots in recent past that were found to have alcohol in their system when it was time to report for duty and caught ever named and photographed looking like this? I am just curious or are we in the midst of the double standard???

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RE: ASA

Tue Aug 07, 2007 10:57 pm

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 18):
Quoting Tvnewsguy08 (Thread starter):
Reportedly screamed at pilot "You're dead."

Not very smart on her part.

Well she was drunk after all -- drunk people say things like that all the time at the point of arrest. Mel Gibson had some choice (and hilarious) words for a female member of the contingent arresting him a few years back.

I am glad they removed her from the flight, but its a shame it made the headlines in such a way. On the bright side, she'll have one heck of a story to tell her fellow AA members at her next meeting!
 
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RE: ASA

Tue Aug 07, 2007 11:17 pm

Quoting JAAlbert (Reply 28):
Well she was drunk after all -- drunk people say things like that all the time at the point of arrest. Mel Gibson had some choice (and hilarious) words for a female member of the contingent arresting him a few years back.

What?!  redflag  You gotta be kidding me. Miss Mills' BAC was .03, hardly drunk which was nothing. Mel Gibson's was, what, twice over the legal limit? Thats apples and oranges to me. I think this woman was just plain insane and should have never been offered the job in the first place.
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RE: ASA

Tue Aug 07, 2007 11:36 pm

Ok, what she did was wrong by far.

1. She shouldn't be charged with anything related to drinking. Her BAC .03, FAA says .04 is too drunk, and .08 for the state of KY.

2. Agree to the charge of terroristic thretas

3. Disagree with the charge of Drunk Crew member as the FAA says .04 is drunk, she was at .032

4. No where does it state that she was operating a motor vehicle, but was charged with it? WTH?!

Thats my too cents.

[Edited 2007-08-07 16:39:21]
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RE: ASA

Wed Aug 08, 2007 12:34 am

Quoting Kuna (Reply 31):
4. No where does it state that she was operating a motor vehicle, but was charged with it? WTH?!

Hello, shes in charge of passengers on her plane.....It is a motorized vehicle, it doesnt fly on just hope and willingness to get to the destination.....She may not have been leagally "Drunk" but she was buzzing and here in Illinois Buzzed anything considered DRUNK....I can tell you that....

How about next time you go to have an operatrion you let the Doctor know that its okay if he tips a couple of beers before he takes out your appendix....

There is no excuse for this F/As drunkedness...

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RE: ASA

Wed Aug 08, 2007 12:40 am

Quoting Kuna (Reply 31):
3. Disagree with the charge of Drunk Crew member as the FAA says .04 is drunk, she was at .032

Any alcohol in the crew members system within 8-12 hours of flight depending on the airline is grounds for suspension or termination..

Quoting Kuna (Reply 31):
1. She shouldn't be charged with anything related to drinking. Her BAC .03, FAA says .04 is too drunk, and .08 for the state of KY.

According to airline rules and regulations the crewmember should have stopped drinking hours before checking in for the flight. If she couldnt handle the alcohol she should have called Crew Scheduling and the whole mess could have been avoided.

Quoting Kuna (Reply 31):
4. No where does it state that she was operating a motor vehicle, but was charged with it? WTH?!

She is in charge of the passengers saefty in the cabin. How would an intoxicated Flight Attendant be able to perform safety related functions or the evacuation of the aircraft in the case of an emergency?

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RE: ASA

Wed Aug 08, 2007 1:06 am

Quoting Access-Air (Reply 32):

Hello, shes in charge of passengers on her plane.....It is a motorized vehicle, it doesnt fly on just hope and willingness to get to the destination.....She may not have been leagally "Drunk" but she was buzzing and here in Illinois Buzzed anything considered DRUNK....I can tell you that....

Shes is not operating as the charge states.

Quoting FLYGUY767 (Reply 33):

Any alcohol in the crew members system within 8-12 hours of flight depending on the airline is grounds for suspension or termination..

Agreed, not saying that she shouldn't be suspended or terminated. But according to FAA standards she was not drunk, and technically could work with the buzz.

Quoting FLYGUY767 (Reply 33):

She is in charge of the passengers saefty in the cabin. How would an intoxicated Flight Attendant be able to perform safety related functions or the evacuation of the aircraft in the case of an emergency?

If the FAA thinks anyone below .04 can still operate normally, then yeah I think she could of. If the FAA had the limit set to 0 then yeah, she would of been unable to by the FAA standards...she was not operating a motor vehicle at anytime like the charge states. Was she careless...yes, was she buzzed....yes, was she unable to perform her duties in the even of an emergency...don't know as alcohol effects everyone differently, and there was no emergency so we will never know.
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RE: ASA

Wed Aug 08, 2007 1:54 am

Quoting Access-Air (Reply 32):
She may not have been leagally "Drunk" but she was buzzing and here in Illinois Buzzed anything considered DRUNK....I can tell you that....

Yes it is. My dad is a retired police officer here in IL and now works for the Illinois Department of Transportation. His main job is being in charge of grant money for the Click it or Ticket program. One of my brothers is also a police officer in Rock Island as well. They have plenty of stories of drunken people, and I can assure you some people that were arrested had lower than a .08. And another thing, you don't magically get drunk when you hit a certain number. She may well have been drunk with a .03. I don't know her, of course, but usually women tend to have a lower alcohol tolerance than men, especially if she was smaller in size. I've drank with enough girls the past year in school to know that most girls don't handle alcohol well at all. Again, I don't mean to generalize because the same can be said for men, but generally women DO have lower tolerances for alcohol.
 
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RE: ASA

Wed Aug 08, 2007 2:09 am

Quoting Kuna (Reply 34):
Agreed, not saying that she shouldn't be suspended or terminated. But according to FAA standards she was not drunk, and technically could work with the buzz.

Maybe this has been covered in this thread, but I'm not sure, since there's been some conflicting information. So assuming that she was OK to work with the .032, would it have been OK if she had consumed alcohol while on duty? I mean, on the one hand I'm virtually certain the answer is no, but I spotted an F/A taking a nip out of a Bombay Sapphire bottle on a large US airline a year or two ago, so it's not like it never happens. I'm just wondering how common this is.
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RE: ASA

Wed Aug 08, 2007 2:46 am

Quoting Bobnwa (Reply 2):
Do you have something against Delta, that caused you to put them in the title?

The aircraft she was on was flying a DL flight. Most passengers on the aircraft are not avid airliners.net forum members, and do not think of themselves as being on an "ASA" flight. They see the Delta logo - so it might as well have happened on a mainline Delta flight. They are not going to leave that situation and think poory of ASA and not Delta. Think about it.

Furthermore - that is the risk an airline takes by painting that huge logo on the tail, and giving the aircraft the mainline appearance. When you do that - you're letting that feeder airline make or break your reputation - it's as plain and simple as that.
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RE: ASA

Wed Aug 08, 2007 2:47 am

From the stories I've heard from flight attendants who worked "back when", I think it used to be VERY common. Alcohol testing only began in the early 90s.
 
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RE: ASA

Wed Aug 08, 2007 3:43 am

Quoting AndrewUber (Reply 37):
The aircraft she was on was flying a DL flight. Most passengers on the aircraft are not avid airliners.net forum members, and do not think of themselves as being on an "ASA" flight. They see the Delta logo - so it might as well have happened on a mainline Delta flight. They are not going to leave that situation and think poory of ASA and not Delta. Think about it.

Furthermore - that is the risk an airline takes by painting that huge logo on the tail, and giving the aircraft the mainline appearance. When you do that - you're letting that feeder airline make or break your reputation - it's as plain and simple as that.

That's exactly what I was trying to say, but you said it with more eloquence.  Big grin
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RE: ASA

Wed Aug 08, 2007 6:29 am

Quoting Access-Air (Reply 27):
Funny, youd prolly never see names and faces if one of the pilots was the one being taken off the plane.....Or would you??

this was the first article i have ever seen and read about someone that was taken off the plane because of consuming alcohol with a picture and names.
To me this seems like early middle age!

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RE: ASA

Wed Aug 08, 2007 7:29 am

Quoting DALelite (Reply 39):
this was the first article i have ever seen and read about someone that was taken off the plane because of consuming alcohol with a picture and names.
To me this seems like early middle age!

I don't recall ever having seen pictures of the pilots that were removed from airplanes for drinking - at least not until well after the actual incident when they were being tried for it in a court.
 
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RE: ASA

Wed Aug 08, 2007 1:57 pm

It also got into the Danish news yesterday: http://ekstrabladet.dk/112/article324983.ece. Sorry this comes sort of late - I was too beat to tackle the translation yesterday.

Translation:

"Drunk stewardess* removed from aircraft

Stewardess Sarah Mills was removed from a flight to Atlanta, smelling of alcohol. 'You are dead' she said to the captain - and is now charged with making terror-related threats

A 26-year-old stewardess' bad day got even worse when she was removed from a Delta Air Lines aircraft operating from Kentucky to Atlanta for smelling of alcohol. Colleagues and passengers alike noticed Sarah Mills smelled of alcohol and Mills was removed from the aircraft prior to departure.

- You are dead, she said to the captain on her way out which carries serious charges in the U.S.

In addition to being charged by the FAA for being intoxicated while on duty as a F/A, she may now face legal proceedings for making 'terror-related threats'.

Sarah Mills has admitted to drinking whisky aboard the aircraft. She refused to submit to a blood test, however a breathalyzer test revealed a blood-alcohol level of 0.3."

* The term "stewardesse" is still the accepted term for "female flight attendant" in Denmark.
 
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RE: ASA

Thu Aug 09, 2007 9:20 am

Quoting ASFlyer (Reply 40):
I don't recall ever having seen pictures of the pilots that were removed from airplanes for drinking - at least not until well after the actual incident when they were being tried for it in a court.

When the infamous HP pilots were removed for DUI in 2003 or 2004, the news showed both pilots sitting on a bench handcuffed behind their backs before they were about ready to be processed.
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RE: ASA

Thu Aug 16, 2007 10:42 am

http://www.thekansascitychannel.com/video/138/index.html

Lest there was any doubt this FA should not have been working.
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RE: ASA

Thu Aug 16, 2007 11:34 am

Having seen the video (click on the 'most viewed' tab for it) I have to wonder if she was also using illegal drugs, or perhaps using prescription drugs. She was not legally drunk by the f/a standard of .04%. (.03% was her hit), but she sure was acting wacked out. Too bad for her and the airline.

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