FlagshipAZ
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Any BAC-111s Still In Service?

Wed Aug 08, 2007 3:23 am

Hi folks...
Just looking thru some old AA photos & came across the BAC-400...which is what AA called them back in the day.
So now I'm wondering, are there any BAC-111 still flying? Personally I have seen the "Pocket Rocket" in real time, but unfortunately, I have never flown in one. How's the cabin space compare to a DC-9? Is the fuselage wider than a DC-9? How many of each series were assembled?
Any & all info on this great little aircraft appreciated. Regards.
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RE: Any BAC-111s Still In Service?

Wed Aug 08, 2007 3:24 am

There are some corporate examples still flying--I see one come into HOU every once and a while.
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RE: Any BAC-111s Still In Service?

Wed Aug 08, 2007 6:43 am

Quoting FlagshipAZ (Thread starter):
Any & all info on this great little aircraft appreciated. Regards.

Here is a website that mightbe of some help.... http://www.bac1-11jet.co.uk/

I personally have flown on the 200 series and the 500 series and they are essentially the same cross section as a DC9 or a Fokker 70/100 Prolly some place in between the two...
The BAC was a heavy and well built aircraft. Had it not been for the RR Spey Turbofan engines and their limited thrust potential (until the Tay came along) the BAC might have been built longer than it had been.
I believe that Dee-Howard tried and offered a Tay conversion of the BAC but not enuff takers showed interest and most of the larger 500 series made their way back to Hurn airport in Bournemouth only to be scrapped or refurbished and sent to Africa to either die in accidents or left to rot away...many former USAir BAC series 200s are rotting away in Nigeria as well....
The most frequently still used version to date is the 400 series, in corporate roles as it has been successfully been hush-kitted to meet stage 3 noise levels.....Something that the 500 series could not acheive because of possible weight and power restrictions....again with the Speys....
One of the best things about the BAC was the engine startup....If you contact me thru my e-mail in my profile Id be happy to send you a start wav file of G-AZMF I made at Bounemouth Hurn on 16 March 2002.....Awesome sound!!!!!!!!!

Cheers, Access-Air
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RE: Any BAC-111s Still In Service?

Wed Aug 08, 2007 6:50 am

There was a photo in one of the recent editions of Airliner World (I think) which showed a BAC111 that had been brought in on lease to operate some RPT services - but I can't for the life of me remember exactly where and for who...
 
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RE: Any BAC-111s Still In Service?

Wed Aug 08, 2007 7:02 am

Air Company SCAT from Kazakhstan apparently still uses BAC 1-11 on some routes. See the following link for schedules: http://www.scat.kz/Shedule.asp

According to that, and I don't know how actual it is as it bears no date, the BAC 1-11 are used on the following routes:

Aktau (SCO) - Almaty (ALA) v.v.
Aktyubinsk (AXK) - Almaty (ALA) v.v.
Aktyubinsk (AXK) - Moscow-Domodedovo (DME) v.v.
Almaty (ALA) - Atyrau (GUW) v.v.
Almaty (ALA) - Dushanbe (DYU) v.v.
Almaty (ALA) - Kostanay (KSN) v.v.
Almaty (ALA) - Taraz/Zhambyl (DMB) v.v.
Astana (TSE) - St. Petersburg-Pulkovo (LED) v.v.
Atyrau (GUW) - Baku (GYD) v.v.
Moscow-Domodedovo (DME) - Taraz/Zhambyl (DMB) v.v.
 
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RE: Any BAC-111s Still In Service?

Wed Aug 08, 2007 7:07 am

Quoting FlagshipAZ (Thread starter):
So now I'm wondering, are there any BAC-111 still flying?

Discussed twice recently:
BAC-1-11 Still In Service? (by SIBILLE Jul 16 2007 in Civil Aviation) Remaing BAC-111 Operators (by EI321 Apr 22 2007 in Civil Aviation)
 
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RE: Any BAC-111s Still In Service?

Wed Aug 08, 2007 1:32 pm

Thanks for everyone's replies. I did a topic search before posting this thread, and nothing came up then. Oh well...
Access-Air, thanks for that link. It is very informative.
Regards to all.
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RE: Any BAC-111s Still In Service?

Wed Aug 08, 2007 4:57 pm

Quoting Access-Air (Reply 2):
One of the best things about the BAC was the engine startup....



Quoting LXM83 (Reply 4):
Air Company SCAT from Kazakhstan apparently still uses BAC 1-11 on some routes. See the following link for schedules: http://www.scat.kz/Shedule.asp

According to that, and I don't know how actual it is as it bears no date, the BAC 1-11 are used on the following routes:

Aktau (SCO) - Almaty (ALA) v.v.
Aktyubinsk (AXK) - Almaty (ALA) v.v.
Aktyubinsk (AXK) - Moscow-Domodedovo (DME) v.v.
Almaty (ALA) - Atyrau (GUW) v.v.
Almaty (ALA) - Dushanbe (DYU) v.v.
Almaty (ALA) - Kostanay (KSN) v.v.
Almaty (ALA) - Taraz/Zhambyl (DMB) v.v.
Astana (TSE) - St. Petersburg-Pulkovo (LED) v.v.
Atyrau (GUW) - Baku (GYD) v.v.
Moscow-Domodedovo (DME) - Taraz/Zhambyl (DMB) v.v.

If this is up-to-date, I think I might just have to go. I've been very regretful for the last couple of years that I did not join one of the European Aircharter farewell flights on the BAC 1-11.

Are there any a.netters from Kazakhstan who can confirm whether that schedule is up-to-date and accurate?
 
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RE: Any BAC-111s Still In Service?

Wed Aug 08, 2007 7:36 pm

According to Amadeus at least DME-DMB is a 1-11, I might give it a try while in Russia in September  Smile I was hoping for a flight out of St.Petersburg but that seems to be a Yak-42..
Any updated info welcomed.

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RE: Any BAC-111s Still In Service?

Wed Aug 08, 2007 8:25 pm

I remember flying from LHR-CDG years ago on one, we couldn't see out the window the fog was so thick in London and then the same again on landing. Being from Australia where fog grounds everything, I was amazed at how good its capabilities were. Actually it might have been out of LGW. I guess any still around would be very high in hours.
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RE: Any BAC-111s Still In Service?

Thu Aug 09, 2007 5:28 am

Something always made me wonder about the BAC 1-11 engine noise, perhaps someone knows the answer to this or has noticed it under similar conditions:

I live near one of the SIDs at AMS (about 8 miles from the airport). Every time a 1-11 (usually BA) used to climb out, approaching on a course that took it almost directly over my house, it always sounded like something in the engines was spooling up separate from the already loud engine noise which had its own constant pitch in sound. Like if a third engine was spooling up in flight. Obviously that was not the case since the 1-11 is a twin and both were "turning and burning." Was it acoustic reflection between the aircraft and the ground / buildings, some weird airflow (airframe noise) or was it something else? It was nothing like the normal Doppler effect of an approaching aircraft at climb power because it was only evident on the 1-11 and was not heard on other contemporary aircraft types such as the Caravelle or the Trident. The sound, increasing in pitch, had disappeared before the aircraft passed over my house. Any ideas?

I have had the pleasure of flying in a 1-11 twice (between Nassau and Miami) but that sound was not noticeable inside the cabin.

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RE: Any BAC-111s Still In Service?

Thu Aug 09, 2007 6:53 am

I never noticed that sound Starglider. I used to have Atlantic Gulf 1-11s fly over my house daily in '85-86. Their altitude must've been around 1500 feet over my house. Apart from the Spey's crackle and roar I never heard any "spool up" sound. However the Atlantic Gulf 1-11s were 200 series. Maybe your 1-11 experience involved 500s.
 
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RE: Any BAC-111s Still In Service?

Thu Aug 09, 2007 6:55 am

I used to fly on Air Belfast's 1-11 from BFS to STN . Brilliant aircraft.
 
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RE: Any BAC-111s Still In Service?

Thu Aug 09, 2007 7:33 am

Quoting Dc863 (Reply 11):
Maybe your 1-11 experience involved 500s

Yes, they were -500s at an estimated altitude of approx. 3000 ft. and climbing. Closest this sound could be compared to was somewhat like a DC-8-60 series' JT3D-7 engine being started from some distance away, a low howling noise slowly increasing into a higher pitch tone, disappearing into the other engine noise as the aircraft passed over the house.

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RE: Any BAC-111s Still In Service?

Thu Aug 09, 2007 8:01 am

Quoting UK_Dispatcher (Reply 7):
If this is up-to-date, I think I might just have to go. I've been very regretful for the last couple of years that I did not join one of the European Aircharter farewell flights on the BAC 1-11.

Likewise - the BAC 1-11 has been an aircraft I've wanted to fly for a long long time. I'm aiming a budget trip to Iran for the Autumn - a combination of Easyjet to IST and then the sleeper train from there across Turkey to THR should get me there for about £100, then I was aiming to come back on airmiles with KLM/AF. Well, if I can get from Iran to Kazakhstan cheaply then I think I might also have a shot at the 1-11 and then I can fly back from Almaty with KLM on my miles!

Just have to speak to my tutors... wonder if this can be passed off as a 'study' trip across the continent...  scratchchin 


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RE: Any BAC-111s Still In Service?

Thu Aug 09, 2007 8:25 am

In the late 60s both American and Braniff flew BAC 111s into Washington, National. I could always tell them by their sound: there was a crackling or popping sound from the engines on climb out.
 
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RE: Any BAC-111s Still In Service?

Thu Aug 09, 2007 10:35 am

A buddy of mine named Fernando has these Austral BAC One-Elevens on YouTube....
You can hear the crackling!!!!!! Awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wE_Nwczq7ps

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3NGQi5mbJw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlxNGqMOck0

And this other video of a Romavia BAC with Hushkits yet...and its still way loud!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUI70nIMMrw

Enjoy guys!!!!

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RE: Any BAC-111s Still In Service?

Thu Aug 09, 2007 10:42 am

OOPS, I forgot this one................Imagine the NIMBYS complaining!!!!!!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHddR6WHVmQ

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RE: Any BAC-111s Still In Service?

Thu Aug 09, 2007 12:23 pm

Access-Air your friends videos are probably some of the best I have ever seen on the BAC 1-11.

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