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America West Gates At MSP

Wed Aug 08, 2007 1:38 pm

Since US took over America West, will the gate at concourse C at MSP that America West owns (gate C9?) be taken over by NW and US/America West flights will be at the E concourse? How did America West get a C gate at MSP?
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RE: America West Gates At MSP

Wed Aug 08, 2007 2:03 pm

Well eventually theyll be moved over to Humphrey once the expansion is done.
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RE: America West Gates At MSP

Wed Aug 08, 2007 2:09 pm

Quoting Af773atmsp (Thread starter):
How did America West get a C gate at MSP?

That's where HP has always been. IIRC, US/HP have all of their service concentrated out of Concourse E now, someone correct me if I'm wrong.

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RE: America West Gates At MSP

Wed Aug 08, 2007 2:37 pm

I believe NW owns the gate just like the rest of the C gates but HP was granted access to it during specified time frames. I think MSP sees maybe 5 HP flights a day anyways, so owning a gate may not be a high priority thing anyways. In addition, if I'm not mistaken, HP uses NW ramp and mx at that airport, so using a C gate makes sense for NW operationally.
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RE: America West Gates At MSP

Wed Aug 08, 2007 3:13 pm

Quoting Af773atmsp (Thread starter):
Since US took over America West

It's the other way around. America West took over US Airways, but they decided to keep the US Airways name.
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RE: America West Gates At MSP

Wed Aug 08, 2007 3:25 pm

I just flew US out of MSP last week, all flights are now out of E. I think some ramp work last fall kept them separated, but definitely together now, which makes more sense. Check-in counters also just consolidated in the last few weeks.
 
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RE: America West Gates At MSP

Wed Aug 08, 2007 5:12 pm

US mainly uses E2 & E4 now but they still use (and have counters and signage at) D1, D2, C9, C10, and C11 for their RONS and ad hoc during the day.
 
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RE: America West Gates At MSP

Wed Aug 08, 2007 6:20 pm

This is not an expert opinion at all, but my guess is that HP gained access to the C gate during the time that it had a codeshare with NW.
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RE: America West Gates At MSP

Wed Aug 08, 2007 10:58 pm

Quoting HPLASOps (Reply 3):
I think MSP sees maybe 5 HP flights a day anyways, so owning a gate may not be a high priority thing anyways. In addition, if I'm not mistaken, HP uses NW ramp and mx at that airport, so using a C gate makes sense for NW operationally.

5 flights a day I would think HP would fork out for a gate. And when I was in ramp training at ABQ, my roommate was hired for MSP ramp. So I don't believe they are ground handled by NW.
 
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RE: America West Gates At MSP

Wed Aug 08, 2007 11:35 pm

The ramp handling for the US Airways flights to the west were handled by company employess while the US Air flights to the east were handled by ATS. It's possible this has changed since the companies are now fully integrated.

US Airways uses gates E2, E4, C9 or C10, and D2. D1 is also used for an early morning departure.

Gate D2 has the US Airways name on the actual desk in the boarding area.

[Edited 2007-08-08 16:50:52]
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RE: America West Gates At MSP

Fri Aug 10, 2007 1:01 am

Quoting Cactus742 (Reply 7):
This is not an expert opinion at all, but my guess is that HP gained access to the C gate during the time that it had a codeshare with NW.

HP got a C Concourse gate way back in the 1980s when they first started service to MSP. There was a MSP air service study in the 1980s which basically showed that NW had too much control on the market and there were few new entrants.

In a diplomatic show of goodwill, NW gave up a gate to allow HP to enter the market. Of course, they didn't give up a their best gate, they gave up one of their worst gates. At that time it was at the very end of the Green Concourse, furthest away from the Main Terminal. The gate was leased, it was never owned by HP. I am not sure if they leased it from NW or the MAC. With the US/HP merger, US consolidated operations with the help of the MAC.

As others have pointed out, however, they use some D Concourse gates and C Concourse gates for RON flights. Other airlines (such as AA and UA) also use the D Concourse for RON flights. It works out because a large portion of NW aircraft RON away from MSP.
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RE: America West Gates At MSP

Fri Aug 10, 2007 5:58 am

Quoting Af773atmsp (Thread starter):
Since US took over America West, will the gate at concourse C at MSP that America West owns (gate C9?) be taken over by NW and US/America West flights will be at the E concourse? How did America West get a C gate at MSP?



Quoting SESGDL (Reply 2):
That's where HP has always been. IIRC, US/HP have all of their service concentrated out of Concourse E now, someone correct me if I'm wrong.

Jeremy

They do have C9. I think both NW and HP have it. But I rarely see a HP bird there, its always a NW bird going to Hardford CT, or Duluth. They usually come in the D.
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RE: America West Gates At MSP

Fri Aug 10, 2007 10:18 am

NW owns all the gates on D, C, G, F, and even some of E.
 
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RE: America West Gates At MSP

Fri Aug 10, 2007 11:26 am

Checking the US Airways flight status for this morning's flights (Aug 9, 2007), the gates used were C9 (PHX), C10 (CLT), D1 (PHL), & E4 (LAS). E2 was not used.
 
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RE: America West Gates At MSP

Fri Aug 10, 2007 11:42 am

Quoting Phatfarmlines (Reply 13):
Checking the US Airways flight status for this morning's flights (Aug 9, 2007), the gates used were C9 (PHX), C10 (CLT), D1 (PHL), & E4 (LAS). E2 was not used.

I think the second flight to PHX is also a RON. It departed from gate E2.

Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 12):
NW owns all the gates on D, C, G, F, and even some of E.

Yes, they've got gates all over. But they are leased, not owned.
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RE: America West Gates At MSP

Fri Aug 10, 2007 11:55 am

Quoting Pilottim747 (Reply 14):
I think the second flight to PHX is also a RON. It departed from gate E2.

I stand corrected. That is a very late RON if it is scheduled to leave at 11 am to PHX.
 
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RE: America West Gates At MSP

Fri Aug 10, 2007 12:58 pm

Quoting Phatfarmlines (Reply 15):
I stand corrected. That is a very late RON if it is scheduled to leave at 11 am to PHX.

Not really, it does not come in from LAS until 4AM.

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