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RG New 767'S Where Are They?

Thu Aug 09, 2007 3:13 am

has varig gotten any more of the new 767's in the air yet? are there any photos?
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RE: RG New 767'S Where Are They?

Thu Aug 09, 2007 6:45 am

They are flying 3 frames now.

PP-VTC 767-3Y0ER built in 1993... lsd from EuroAtlantic Airways.
PP-VTE 767-3Y0ER built in 1993... lsd from EuroAtlantic Airways.
PP-VPV 767-375ER built in 1998... was stored by RG in 2006 crises an reentered in service last June.

They are all flying GRU-FRA and GIG-FRA.... Think RG is putting one more 763 in service in the next weeks.
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RE: RG New 767'S Where Are They?

Thu Aug 09, 2007 6:47 am

Quoting Thering (Reply 1):
PP-VPV 767-375ER built in 1998...

Sorry.. built 1988...
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RE: RG New 767'S Where Are They?

Thu Aug 09, 2007 6:49 am

Aren't they due to get 5 more 767's?

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RE: RG New 767'S Where Are They?

Thu Aug 09, 2007 6:56 am

Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 3):
Aren't they due to get 5 more 767's?

They are due to get 18 767-300ERs will 2012... At least this is what G3's fleet plan says... Like this:

2007= 10 frames
2008= 14 frames
2009= 16 frames
2010= 16 frames
2011= 17 frames
2012= 18 frames

But I don't think that this will happen.. 763s will be kind of old in 2012... I really think they will change this fleet plan next year, making it 777s or/and 787s.
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RE: RG New 767'S Where Are They?

Thu Aug 09, 2007 6:56 am

Yes, actually PR-VAA must be on the air right now. It was supposed to leave MFM today and be ferried to GIG via JNB. I extracted this information and the photo links from Contato Radar, so I don't guarantee any of this information, since there are many conflicting versions about it.

http://pic.carnoc.com/pic/20070724/200707241159513940.jpg
http://pic.carnoc.com/pic/20070724/200707241206233323.jpg
http://pic.carnoc.com/pic/20070724/200707241210367999.jpg

Photos are from a Chinese forum:

http://bbs.feeyo.com/posts/245/topic-0016-2453500.html
 
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RE: RG New 767'S Where Are They?

Thu Aug 09, 2007 6:57 am

I have a doubt... Maybe LipeGIG can tell me... How are RG's 763s configured??
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RE: RG New 767'S Where Are They?

Thu Aug 09, 2007 6:58 am

One is already painted at Beijing and ready to be delivered.I received a picture of it.It is in a hangar next to a 767 Safi Aw (new start up of Afghanistan).
 
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RE: RG New 767'S Where Are They?

Thu Aug 09, 2007 6:59 am

One is already painted at Beijing and ready to be delivered.I received a picture of it.It is in a hangar next to a 767 Safi Aw (new start up of Afghanistan).
 
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RE: RG New 767'S Where Are They?

Thu Aug 09, 2007 7:12 am

Quoting C010T3 (Reply 7):
PR-VAA

They are going gor the PR- prefixs istead of their classic PP- now??
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RE: RG New 767'S Where Are They?

Thu Aug 09, 2007 7:22 am

Quoting Thering (Reply 9):

They are going gor the PR- prefixs istead of their classic PP- now??

Yep!
 
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RE: RG New 767'S Where Are They?

Thu Aug 09, 2007 7:24 am

What about ex-RG 777s...?

PP-VRC is still stored at MZJ.. is a non-ER version, first delivered to BA..
PP-VRD craped..
PP-VRI non-ER, ex-UAL, still stored at AFW....
PP-VRJ non-ER, ex-UAL, still stored at AFW also...

I mean, from 8 they operated, 4 have new operators, but 4 are still available.. VRD is craped, so maybe isn't worth a repair... but VRC, VRI and VRJ are stored and could be fixed to fly.. Why anybody get them? Even them being non-ER, and 12 years old, they are still interesting a/c for fast international expansion cases.. such as JJ's and RG's/G3's...
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RE: RG New 767'S Where Are They?

Thu Aug 09, 2007 7:26 am

Very disappointing "new" livery for Varig (as per the pictures above)....
 
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RE: RG New 767'S Where Are They?

Thu Aug 09, 2007 7:37 am

Quoting FMAL (Reply 12):
Very disappointing "new" livery for Varig (as per the pictures above)....

This is not supposed to be Varig's new livery. According to rumours, Varig will get a new livery in October.
 
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RE: RG New 767'S Where Are They?

Thu Aug 09, 2007 8:21 am

Very disappointed that they have maintained the old VARIG scheme.

New Varig needs a new identity away from the past and the VARIGLOG scheme.

They should have at least tried an interim scheme on these B767's as they will all have to be painted at least white.

VARIG needs a new identity, to concentrait on fleet renwal with new planes, in flight service, despatch times and level of comfort, these old 767's are hardly going to make them competitive with the likes of KLM, AF, BA, LH all flying much more modern fleets.

Here's a breath of fresh air that was post some time back with new VARIG schemes in mind, I like this one. I believe the origin of this was MAP (modified aircraft photos) it was sent to me some time ago.

Big version: Width: 600 Height: 156 File size: 25kb
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RE: RG New 767'S Where Are They?

Thu Aug 09, 2007 8:27 am

Quoting Thering (Reply 4):

But I don't think that this will happen.. 763s will be kind of old in 2012... I really think they will change this fleet plan next year, making it 777s or/and 787s.

Well I agree but if RG new management thinks the 767 is what they need, order new ones. GOL has the money. I'm sure Boeing would offer incentives to do this.

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RE: RG New 767'S Where Are They?

Thu Aug 09, 2007 8:27 am

Quoting Dougbr2006 (Reply 14):
VARIG needs a new identity, to concentrait on fleet renwal with new planes, in flight service, despatch times and level of comfort, these old 767's are hardly going to make them competitive with the likes of KLM, AF, BA, LH all flying much more modern fleets.

Agree. They will have to put VERY good seats on offer VERY good service on the 767s to face other carriers...

Quoting Dougbr2006 (Reply 14):
Something Modern, with a touch of flare !!

Just like TP's!!! Nice... But they should stay with BLUE..
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RE: RG New 767'S Where Are They?

Thu Aug 09, 2007 8:46 am

Isn't RG getting Malev's HA-LHA later on this year. LHA is a B762ER with CF6-80C2B4F engines, why is RG only adding one -200ER to its fleet.

Will RG be doing any interior upgrades to its new B767s?

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RE: RG New 767'S Where Are They?

Thu Aug 09, 2007 8:46 am

Quoting Dougbr2006 (Reply 14):
Here's a breath of fresh air that was post some time back with new VARIG schemes in mind, I like this one. I believe the origin of this was MAP (modified aircraft photos) it was sent to me some time ago.

Looks like TAP Schema. Need to be more creative!
 
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RE: RG New 767'S Where Are They?

Thu Aug 09, 2007 9:03 am

Quoting KrisYYZ (Reply 17):
Isn't RG getting Malev's HA-LHA later on this year. LHA is a B762ER with CF6-80C2B4F engines, why is RG only adding one -200ER to its fleet.

I don't think they plan to get 762ERs.. Only -300ERs...
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RE: RG New 767'S Where Are They?

Thu Aug 09, 2007 9:19 am

Quoting KrisYYZ (Reply 17):
Isn't RG getting Malev's HA-LHA later on this year. LHA is a B762ER with CF6-80C2B4F engines, why is RG only adding one -200ER to its fleet.

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Quoting Thering (Reply 19):
I don't think they plan to get 762ERs.. Only -300ERs...

Not only do they plan, it is apparently supposed to run the flights to MEX.
 
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RE: RG New 767'S Where Are They?

Thu Aug 09, 2007 9:20 am

Quoting C010T3 (Reply 20):
Not only do they plan, it is apparently supposed to run the flights to MEX.

There is no 767-200ER on G3 fleet plan..............

See "Avião Revue... 2007 August.. Pag. 9!"

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RE: RG New 767'S Where Are They?

Thu Aug 09, 2007 9:54 am

If they plane on keeping these planes so long then they should think about putting winglets on them to get some more efficiency as compared to newer planes its size. I think the varig 767's look very clean in this scheme. Not too busy. But these planes with winglets would look so hot. Is there any word they may in the future?
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RE: RG New 767'S Where Are They?

Thu Aug 09, 2007 10:12 am

Quoting Thering (Reply 21):
See "Avião Revue... 2007 August.. Pag. 9!"

You don't have to buy Avião Revue to get this kind of information. I have it for you right here!. The thing is that that plan isn't always perfectly right. For example, the initial plan for the domestic network for Varig has never been followed through.
 
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RE: RG New 767'S Where Are They?

Thu Aug 09, 2007 10:20 am

Quoting Thering (Reply 21):
There is no 767-200ER on G3 fleet plan

Well according to Malev, HA-LHA will be going to RG as PR-VAC sometime during the fall. This was manufactured in 1993 and has a fairly low number of cycles.

Quoting C010T3 (Reply 20):
Not only do they plan, it is apparently supposed to run the flights to MEX.

I believe in its current config HA-LHA seats 185 in 2 classes. I would think RG would want to increase the number of seats for the MEX rotation.

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RE: RG New 767'S Where Are They?

Thu Aug 09, 2007 10:25 am

Quoting C010T3 (Reply 23):
You don't have to buy Avião Revue to get this kind of information.

Ditto. Avião Revue makes lots and lots of mistakes I wouldn't take their info as true and yes RG will have a single 767-200/ER (the one from Malev), as said in this thread.
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RE: RG New 767'S Where Are They?

Thu Aug 09, 2007 2:15 pm

Quoting Thering (Reply 5):
I have a doubt... Maybe LipeGIG can tell me... How are RG's 763s configured??

Will be 30C 185Y IIRC.

Quoting AF086 (Reply 25):
Quoting C010T3 (Reply 23):
You don't have to buy Avião Revue to get this kind of information.

Ditto. Avião Revue makes lots and lots of mistakes I wouldn't take their info as true and yes RG will have a single 767-200/ER (the one from Malev), as said in this thread.

Accordingly to Contato Radar, IMO the best nowadays, yes, we will have a 767-200ER that should be used to MEX.

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RE: RG New 767'S Where Are They?

Thu Aug 09, 2007 3:04 pm

Quoting Thering (Reply 11):

PP-VRI non-ER, ex-UAL, still stored at AFW....
PP-VRJ non-ER, ex-UAL, still stored at AFW also...

These are both going to Royal Brunei.
 
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RE: RG New 767'S Where Are They?

Thu Aug 09, 2007 8:39 pm

Are they going to get the second Malev aircraft that comes up next year? It seems kind of strange to get one aircraft for one route.
 
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RE: RG New 767'S Where Are They?

Thu Aug 09, 2007 10:59 pm

Quoting C010T3 (Reply 23):
The thing is that that plan isn't always perfectly right.

OK, so if we should not consider plans, we may see RG's L-1011s next month.........  Wink

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 26):
Will be 30C 185Y IIRC.

So, 30 poor BusinessClass seats rigth? They don't plan to offer a good product?
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RE: RG New 767'S Where Are They?

Thu Aug 09, 2007 11:06 pm

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 26):
yes, we will have a 767-200ER that should be used to MEX

Why run MEX with a 762ER if they can fly it stopping in MAO with a 733? Obviously, thinking while the have long-haul planes shortage... They could use the 762ER to restart MIA or JFK while they don't receive more 763ERs, and then star GRU-MEX non-stop...
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RE: RG New 767'S Where Are They?

Thu Aug 09, 2007 11:15 pm

Quoting Thering (Reply 30):
Why run MEX with a 762ER if they can fly it stopping in MAO with a 733? Obviously, thinking while the have long-haul planes shortage... They could use the 762ER to restart MIA or JFK while they don't receive more 763ERs, and then star GRU-MEX non-stop...

There are 763ERs on the market. I think they would be better off without that 762ER and getting more 763ERs.
 
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RE: RG New 767'S Where Are They?

Thu Aug 09, 2007 11:20 pm

Quoting AF022 (Reply 31):
There are 763ERs on the market

It's not that easy... Many of the available ones are craped... RG is facing some problems to find good -300ERs... If it was being easy, they would already be flying at least more 6 frames, are restart JFK, MIA, CDG, MEX and LHR...

Quoting AF022 (Reply 31):
I think they would be better off without that 762ER and getting more 763ERs.

Me too.. But still think it's an error to built a 767 fleet for a 5 years term... They should use this 767s for 1-2 years, and place an order for brand new ones.. They will face serious efficiency problems with tem in 2012 and so on...
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RE: RG New 767'S Where Are They?

Fri Aug 10, 2007 12:53 am

Quoting Thering (Reply 29):
So, 30 poor BusinessClass seats rigth? They don't plan to offer a good product?

The info I've got is that the 30C biz seats will have a 60" pitch and the 185Y seats will have a 32" pitch which is fine. The point actually is: will Varig reconfigure the 767s with modern seats with AVOD equipped PTVs, offer lie-flat seats in biz and so on?

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RE: RG New 767'S Where Are They?

Fri Aug 10, 2007 1:03 am

Quoting Thering (Reply 30):
Why run MEX with a 762ER if they can fly it stopping in MAO with a 733?

Because MEX-GRU is a high yield and very profitable route full of business passengers. Back when RG sent their 777's to MEX it was with the horrible configuration of almost all Business class plane with 10 rows of economy.

So you might want to think if a business passenger would fly via MAO in a 733 while they can fly the 777 with AM in a good business class. When RG made a stop in BOG ( if i remember correctly) and then to MEX, that's when the failure of the route came to appear.
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RE: RG New 767'S Where Are They?

Fri Aug 10, 2007 2:16 am

Quoting Thering (Reply 32):
They should use this 767s for 1-2 years

It is impossible to lease widebodies for 1-2 years right now because everyone is waiting for the 787s to come along. Minimum is 5 years.
 
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RE: RG New 767'S Where Are They?

Fri Aug 10, 2007 2:36 am

Quoting KLM685 (Reply 34):
Quoting Thering (Reply 30):
Why run MEX with a 762ER if they can fly it stopping in MAO with a 733?

Because MEX-GRU is a high yield and very profitable route full of business passengers. Back when RG sent their 777's to MEX it was with the horrible configuration of almost all Business class plane with 10 rows of economy.

So you might want to think if a business passenger would fly via MAO in a 733 while they can fly the 777 with AM in a good business class. When RG made a stop in BOG ( if i remember correctly) and then to MEX, that's when the failure of the route came to appear.

100% Agreed!!! Why would anybody (who is not looking for the cheapest fare) sit 10-12 hours (incl. the stopover in MAO) in a narrowbody, if you can go non-stop 8,5 hours in a widebody. AM has especially on their 777s a rather good J and Y product. So if RG wants to become a serious player on that route again, they have to use a competitive product.
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RE: RG New 767'S Where Are They?

Fri Aug 10, 2007 4:55 am

Quoting LH506 (Reply 36):
100% Agreed!!! Why would anybody (who is not looking for the cheapest fare) sit 10-12 hours (incl. the stopover in MAO) in a narrowbody, if you can go non-stop 8,5 hours in a widebody. AM has especially on their 777s a rather good J and Y product. So if RG wants to become a serious player on that route again, they have to use a competitive product.

Agree. But they know it's impossible to compete in service at this time (with an old 762) so probably you can expect RG will compete in price. Also we need to take a look closer on Ocean Air as they will provide to MEX their first international service.

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RE: RG New 767'S Where Are They?

Fri Aug 10, 2007 5:26 am

Quoting Dougbr2006 (Reply 14):
Here's a breath of fresh air that was post some time back with new VARIG schemes in mind, I like this one. I believe the origin of this was MAP (modified aircraft photos) it was sent to me some time ago.

It's too TP-ish, as another poster said (it's practically a carbon copy), and it's too busy where titles are, while the rest of the airplane is just bland.

Quoting Thering (Reply 32):
Me too.. But still think it's an error to built a 767 fleet for a 5 years term... They should use this 767s for 1-2 years, and place an order for brand new ones.. They will face serious efficiency problems with tem in 2012 and so on...



Quoting AF022 (Reply 35):
It is impossible to lease widebodies for 1-2 years right now because everyone is waiting for the 787s to come along. Minimum is 5 years.

Does RG have the financial resources to order new-build 767s?

Even if they did, wouldn't they be better off going with the 787? If they do go with the 787, then it makes sense to go with 5-year leases on the 767s since most, if not all, of the early 787 delivery slots have been taken already.

If RG can't get their hands on brand-new aircraft, I doubt they'll face "serious efficiency problems". Look at how long NW managed to keep their DC-9s flying. Look at all of the first and second generation 737s that keep flying. Look at all of the DC-8 still flying. Look at all of the 747 Classics still flying. You can't tell me that all of these operators are facing "serious efficiency problems", can you?
 
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RE: RG New 767'S Where Are They?

Fri Aug 10, 2007 6:02 am

Quoting VC10er (Thread starter):
Agree. But they know it's impossible to compete in service at this time (with an old 762) so probably you can expect RG will compete in price. Also we need to take a look closer on Ocean Air as they will provide to MEX their first international service.

Felipe

How many frequencies are allowed between MEX and Brazil? Is Ocean Air going daily?
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RE: RG New 767'S Where Are They?

Fri Aug 10, 2007 7:27 am

Quoting LH506 (Reply 39):
How many frequencies are allowed between MEX and Brazil? Is Ocean Air going daily?

28 weekly with a little restriction for both sides. Neither Mexican airlines can fly more than 12 weekly to São Paulo Guarulhos neither Brazilian are allowed to fly more than 12 to MEX.

Due to this, Ocean Air will fly 5x to MEX and 2x to Toluca Airport. Varig will fly non stop 7x GRU-MEX.

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RE: RG New 767'S Where Are They?

Fri Aug 10, 2007 7:34 am

Quoting AF086 (Reply 33):
The info I've got is that the 30C biz seats will have a 60" pitch and the 185Y seats will have a 32" pitch which is fine.

It's not fine... For an airline that doesn't offer First Class, they should have at least a lie-flat BusinessClass... No way they will face their competitors when talking about business flyers...

Quoting KLM685 (Reply 34):
When RG made a stop in BOG ( if i remember correctly) and then to MEX, that's when the failure of the route came to appear.

They did it, with the 752, because of long haul a/c shortage...

Quoting KLM685 (Reply 34):
So you might want to think if a business passenger would fly via MAO in a 733 while they can fly the 777 with AM in a good business class. When RG made a stop in BOG ( if i remember correctly) and then to MEX, that's when the failure of the route came to appear.



Quoting LH506 (Reply 36):
100% Agreed!!! Why would anybody (who is not looking for the cheapest fare) sit 10-12 hours (incl. the stopover in MAO) in a narrowbody, if you can go non-stop 8,5 hours in a widebody. AM has especially on their 777s a rather good J and Y product. So if RG wants to become a serious player on that route again, they have to use a competitive product.



Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 37):
Agree. But they know it's impossible to compete in service at this time (with an old 762) so probably you can expect RG will compete in price. Also we need to take a look closer on Ocean Air as they will provide to MEX their first international service.

I was talking about a provisorily situation, so they could start other international routes with the 762 before they lose it...
Of course I don't think a 733 GRU-MAO-MEX is a good and comfortable flight....

Quoting OB1504 (Reply 38):
If RG can't get their hands on brand-new aircraft, I doubt they'll face "serious efficiency problems". Look at how long NW managed to keep their DC-9s flying. Look at all of the first and second generation 737s that keep flying. Look at all of the DC-8 still flying. Look at all of the 747 Classics still flying. You can't tell me that all of these operators are facing "serious efficiency problems", can you?

It's easier when talking about short-haul airplanes, such as the DC-9 and 737..... I'm talking abou a 18 763 fleet for ALL RG's international operations in 2012!!!! They would be average 20-years a/c...
DC-8s?? Almost no airline, except CARGO ones operate them... And the ones that do, surely have efficiency problems.. As for the 747 Classics.. Most today's operators are Asian carriers, that use them in high demand domestic flights, really small Airlines and CARGO ones also..
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RE: RG New 767'S Where Are They?

Fri Aug 10, 2007 8:20 am

What I said:

Quoting C010T3 (Reply 23):
The thing is that that plan isn't always perfectly right.

What you replied:

Quoting Thering (Reply 29):
OK, so if we should not consider plans, we may see RG's L-1011s next month......... Wink

I don't see the correlation between both statements.
 
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RE: RG New 767'S Where Are They?

Fri Aug 10, 2007 8:40 am

Quoting FCKC (Reply 8):
One is already painted at Beijing and ready to be delivered.I received a picture of it.It is in a hangar next to a 767 Safi Aw (new start up of Afghanistan).

Where is RG going to use this new bird to??

Rgs,

Neo
 
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RE: RG New 767'S Where Are They?

Fri Aug 10, 2007 8:41 am

Quoting Thering (Reply 41):
DC-8s?? Almost no airline, except CARGO ones operate them... And the ones that do, surely have efficiency problems.. As for the 747 Classics.. Most today's operators are Asian carriers, that use them in high demand domestic flights, really small Airlines and CARGO ones also..

Cargo carriers have to make money, too.
 
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RE: RG New 767'S Where Are They?

Fri Aug 10, 2007 8:57 am

Quoting C010T3 (Reply 42):
What I said:

Quoting C010T3 (Reply 23):
The thing is that that plan isn't always perfectly right.

What you replied:

Quoting Thering (Reply 29):
OK, so if we should not consider plans, we may see RG's L-1011s next month......... Wink


I don't see the correlation between both statements.

So let me make it clear for you...
You told me that I was wrong telling that RG won't get 762s because it wasn't on the plan... So, if we don't consider plans and official statements, than we wont have correct parameters to discuss on... We will be able to tell whatever we want.. This will become a Tale Forum...

Quoting OB1504 (Reply 44):
Cargo carriers have to make money, too.

Cargo airlines are just more able to operate less efficient a/c than passengers ones... MUCH more...
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RE: RG New 767'S Where Are They?

Fri Aug 10, 2007 9:45 am

I'd like to remember one thing. By November RG's deadline for resuming international services, specially to Europe, will expire and they "should" loose the rights to fly to those destinations that aren't launched until then. Well, all that was before the whole TAM accident happened. I believe we will have a very different scenario. With the recent changes in the Ministry of Defense and Infraero, the management of Brazil's air system is being completely revised. This will affect directly ANAC, which is already facing a tremendous pressure after JJ's accident.

For me it's clear that RG won't have enough 767's to commence flights to MAD, CDG, FCO, LHR, MXP & MEX until November. And once again, RG will probably try to postpone this deadline to 2008. I hardly believe they won't be successful, considering............

** Flight to MIA, JFK & LAX aren't priorities, since there are plenty frequencies available.
 
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RE: RG New 767'S Where Are They?

Fri Aug 10, 2007 9:52 am

Quoting Dellatorre (Reply 46):

Agree with you! But don't think they will fly FCO.. they droped it many years ago.... What do tou think?
I think they could do an effort also to get more 737s in order to restart South American routes such as GRU-SCL, GRU-LIM, GRU-VVI...
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RE: RG New 767'S Where Are They?

Fri Aug 10, 2007 2:31 pm

Quoting Neo (Reply 43):
Where is RG going to use this new bird to??

Apparently, GIG/GRU-CDG-FCO.

Quoting Thering (Reply 45):
So let me make it clear for you...
You told me that I was wrong telling that RG won't get 762s because it wasn't on the plan... So, if we don't consider plans and official statements, than we wont have correct parameters to discuss on... We will be able to tell whatever we want.. This will become a Tale Forum...

Once upon a time, when GLAI signed a leasing agreement with Automatic, LCC...

Quoting Thering (Reply 47):

Agree with you! But don't think they will fly FCO.. they droped it many years ago.... What do tou think?
I think they could do an effort also to get more 737s in order to restart South American routes such as GRU-SCL, GRU-LIM, GRU-VVI...

They are flying to FCO, because it is the only destination in Italy to where a tag-on from France is possible according to the bilateral.
 
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RE: RG New 767'S Where Are They?

Fri Aug 10, 2007 9:21 pm

Quoting C010T3 (Reply 48):
Once upon a time, when GLAI signed a leasing agreement with Automatic, LCC...

sorry?

Quoting C010T3 (Reply 48):
They are flying to FCO, because it is the only destination in Italy to where a tag-on from France is possible according to the bilateral.

So when they get more planes and star GRU-MXP they should end the CDG-FCO leg?
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