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US Baggage Handlers Probe At PHL

Thu Aug 09, 2007 9:55 pm

Baggage handlers fired, allegedly for overtime ripoffs at PHL.

http://www.philly.com/philly/hp/news...ys_investigating_bag_handlers.html
 
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Thu Aug 09, 2007 10:43 pm

Having flown through PHL several times on US, and 50 percent of those times having lost luggage. I find it hard to believe that the baggage handlers in PHL work at all, forget about overtime!! Maybe thats how they caught on to the scheme!!
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Thu Aug 09, 2007 10:55 pm

I do not condone fraud agree US Airways should take whatever action is necessary for people who have fiddled the systems.

But when people are earning a measly $10 an hour, and having trouble make ends meet. I can see why people could be tempted to de-fraud the company and make extra money if possible.

I know working practises and law vary around the world, but does the USA not have a minimum wage law? $10 dollars an hour is less than £5 GBP and in the UK is would be illegal to pay that sort of money. No wonder the poor get poorer and the rich get richer!
 
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Thu Aug 09, 2007 11:31 pm

Some people (actually a lot) work for even $7 an hour. It's a disgrace for this country and the politicians.
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Fri Aug 10, 2007 12:13 am

Quoting Gilesdavies (Reply 2):
I know working practises and law vary around the world, but does the USA not have a minimum wage law? $10 dollars an hour is less than £5 GBP and in the UK is would be illegal to pay that sort of money. No wonder the poor get poorer and the rich get richer!

To answer your question, minimum wage is $5.85 per hour, increasing to $6.55 per hour on July 24, 2008, and $7.25 per hour on July 24, 2009.
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Fri Aug 10, 2007 12:54 am

Minimum wage in this country is a joke. However back to the PHL emps, they have not acted well on their own behalf, nor has management done well either.
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Fri Aug 10, 2007 1:18 am

All of yall have a serious lacking of understanding when it comes to Economics. That goes to show how stupid most people in the country are. Even if the minimum wage was $20 bucks an hour and they were making that, these people would have the same standard of living!! Prices for everyone would go up. This has nothing to do with the rich getting richer BS. If we lowered the minimum wage to $2 an hour, prices for everything would fall because no one could afford anything (that is where supply and demand take over).

There are always going to be people that won't be rich and struggling to make it in a particular industry, and that is the way it should be. In our system, we are free to pursue better jobs and make conditions better for ourselves. Now whether or not we take that leap is another story, but everyone is not entitled to equal compensation.

LLiriBDL's comment about this being a disgrace for our country and our politicians is an absolute crock of S***. Please gain a better understanding of Econ before making such an ignorant comment.

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RE: US Baggage Handlers Probe At PHL

Fri Aug 10, 2007 1:33 am

Quoting Gilesdavies (Reply 2):
I know working practises and law vary around the world, but does the USA not have a minimum wage law? $10 dollars an hour is less than £5 GBP and in the UK is would be illegal to pay that sort of money. No wonder the poor get poorer and the rich get richer!

Don't forget almost everything in the United states is much less expensive than the uk. Housing, energy, groceries, automobiles, you name it, we pay less, and less in taxes too. Your minimum wage earners are no better off than ours, as far as purchasing power. $10 an hour to a college student who is working part time is pretty good money. We can argue all day which system is better, but at the end of the day, the real issues is fraud. The small amount these handlers are paid does not justify fradulant hours worked. On the other side of the coin, pathetic USAir will get what they pay for. Didn't we hear not long ago that PHL has the worst rates for lost baggage?
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Fri Aug 10, 2007 1:34 am

Quoting Gilesdavies (Reply 2):
But when people are earning a measly $10 an hour, and having trouble make ends meet. I can see why people could be tempted to de-fraud the company and make extra money if possible.

They knew what the job paid when they took it. If you don't like it quit, and do something else. Not liking your pay rate is not an excuse for stealing from a company, and that exactly what this amounts to..theft.

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Fri Aug 10, 2007 6:01 am

Didn't they have a massive call out a few years ago during Christmas?
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Fri Aug 10, 2007 6:03 am

Quoting B6ramprat (Reply 9):
Didn't they have a massive call out a few years ago during Christmas?

Yes that was under the OLD US management not the new HP management.
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RE: US Baggage Handlers Probe At PHL

Fri Aug 10, 2007 6:13 am

Once again, greed betrays the thief. Once they stick their hand in the cookie jar, they just can't stop. They were caught when somebody noticed inordinate amounts of overtime paid to only certain employees.

Well duh. Maybe the reason those people only make $10/hour is because they aren't very smart to begin with.
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RE: US Baggage Handlers Probe At PHL

Fri Aug 10, 2007 8:25 am

Quoting Gilesdavies (Reply 2):
But when people are earning a measly $10 an hour, and having trouble make ends meet. I can see why people could be tempted to de-fraud the company and make extra money if possible.

It's happened before at carriers that pay twice that... why do you think AA uses a hand scanner at ORD for the time clock...
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RE: US Baggage Handlers Probe At PHL

Fri Aug 10, 2007 9:13 am

HAHAH what a surprise.... NOT...

US' performance at PHL has been downright dreadful for the past couple of years. I can tell you from experience that they will hire anyone that can read and write and show that they are physically capable of performing the job. The hiring process consists of showing up at an "open house" US Airways has at their Lester location, spending about an hour filling out an application and doing a one-on-one interview, only to have a conditional job offer (contigent upon passing a drug screen and background check) only a few minutes after arriving for the open house. They are desperate for people.... It's too bad they can't get their act together, increase the wage for baggage handlers and hire some higher quality people. If you make the wage 9.59 an hour and hire anyone, of course you're going to get a real crappy workforce. The workers take advantage of the crappy mangement at PHL, that's why you see this scandal going on about the overtime pay. They need better management and they need to hire better quality people, otherwise PHL is going to stay the atrocity that it is.

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Fri Aug 10, 2007 2:37 pm

Quoting VikingA346 (Reply 13):
They are desperate for people.... It's too bad they can't get their act together, increase the wage for baggage handlers and hire some higher quality people. If you make the wage 9.59 an hour and hire anyone, of course you're going to get a real crappy workforce. The workers take advantage of the crappy mangement at PHL, that's why you see this scandal going on about the overtime pay. They need better management and they need to hire better quality people, otherwise PHL is going to stay the atrocity that it is.

We aren't hard up for people at all. It's just that these are the people that the company is trying to funnel out. The ones that we hired years ago and were bad all along but skated through or were decent and then turned sour. We are overstaffed by close to 300 people or such for exactly this reason. They know they've got bad people and they are staffing accordingly to weed out the bad apples. I think hiring has gotten better as far as all the people I know that were hired with me or after me.
 
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RE: US Baggage Handlers Probe At PHL

Fri Aug 10, 2007 3:07 pm

Quoting VikingA346 (Reply 13):
If you make the wage 9.59 an hour and hire anyone, of course you're going to get a real crappy workforce.

A starting wage of 9.59 an hour at an airline is pretty darn good in the United States.
 
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RE: US Baggage Handlers Probe At PHL

Sat Aug 11, 2007 12:15 am

I heard on the radio today that USAirways is having an ice cream social hiring event. On site interview and employment for rampers at PHL. Guess they are replacing them.

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Sat Aug 11, 2007 1:54 am

Quoting Swaopsusafatc (Reply 16):
I heard on the radio today that USAirways is having an ice cream social hiring event. On site interview and employment for rampers at PHL. Guess they are replacing them.

Criteria for hiring: must be able to spell "ice cream social".
 
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RE: US Baggage Handlers Probe At PHL

Sat Aug 11, 2007 7:02 am

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 15):
A starting wage of 9.59 an hour at an airline is pretty darn good in the United States.

Especially for a job that requires very little skill. Before all you rampers start trippin', remember I worked on the ramp too, and while it is hard work, the basic job of a ramper is not that complicated. How hard is it to read a bag tag? Yes, there are some parts of the job that require skill: Load Planning, planning/leadership, Pushback, aircraft towing, but not all rampers have/need these skills.

Considering many rampers top at at over $20/hr in this country...it's no wonder airlines are struggling.

As far as the PHL situation is concerned...fire them all. They deserve it. But I'll give them some credit, that was a good racket they had going until some moron put 100hours of OT on their cert for one week...
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Sat Aug 11, 2007 7:06 am

Quoting RDUDDJI (Reply 18):
Especially for a job that requires very little skill. Before all you rampers start trippin', remember I worked on the ramp too, and while it is hard work, the basic job of a ramper is not that complicated. How hard is it to read a bag tag? Yes, there are some parts of the job that require skill: Load Planning, planning/leadership, Pushback, aircraft towing, but not all rampers have/need these skills.

Considering many rampers top at at over $20/hr in this country...it's no wonder airlines are struggling.

As far as the PHL situation is concerned...fire them all. They deserve it. But I'll give them some credit, that was a good racket they had going until some moron put 100hours of OT on their cert for one week...

Shockingly, US Airways pays their new-hire Ramp Agents more than they pay their new-hire Customer Service Agents!
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RE: US Baggage Handlers Probe At PHL

Sat Aug 11, 2007 7:09 am

Quoting HPAEAA (Reply 12):
It's happened before at carriers that pay twice that... why do you think AA uses a hand scanner at ORD for the time clock...

Well a bit off topic, Independence Air used a finger print scanner for the time clock plus a pin number in addition
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Sat Aug 11, 2007 7:13 am

Quoting SHUPirate1 (Reply 19):
Shockingly, US Airways pays their new-hire Ramp Agents more than they pay their new-hire Customer Service Agents!

Even more shocking, try Hub Specialists (Auditors, Time Keepeers, Admin, Clerks, etc)

7.50 to 7.75 to start.
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Sat Aug 11, 2007 7:25 am

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 15):
Quoting VikingA346 (Reply 13):
If you make the wage 9.59 an hour and hire anyone, of course you're going to get a real crappy workforce.

A starting wage of 9.59 an hour at an airline is pretty darn good in the United States.

If you're in it part time as a college student, or similar maybe. Ever try and live in Philadelphia on $10/hour? Even a lower mid-range, unappealing apartment in a reasonable location well away from Center City would cost you around 150% of your take home pay. You could of course find something, but I wouldn't necessarily want to walk outside at night. And we haven't even considered food, clothing and transportation costs. You'd essentially have to live at the Poverty level on Welfare to exist on that salary alone in Philadelphia.
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Sat Aug 11, 2007 7:26 am

Quoting Malaysia (Reply 21):
Even more shocking, try Hub Specialists (Auditors, Time Keepeers, Admin, Clerks, etc)

7.50 to 7.75 to start.

Which is obviously more than they should have been making at Philahellphia!
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RE: US Baggage Handlers Probe At PHL

Sat Aug 11, 2007 7:32 am

This is not surprising, and is probably a wide-spread problem in the industry.

When I worked @ FL, we had a computerized time clock where you either swiped the bar code on your employee badge or entered your badge number on the key pad. There were guys who would leave early or would be late for work and have someone clock in/out for them.

When I worked @ EV, it was even easier to fudge the numbers as we used a time sheet that we would turn it at the end of a pay period. We had closing supervisors that would credit folks with 4 hours of overtime even if they only worked 30 minutes over (This was done so they could actually get folks other than the K-2 line folks to help out at the end of the night, but even those of us on the closing shift would get this as well, even if we got off on time.). There were pay periods where I made more money off of the overtime I was credited for than off of my base pay. Very rarely did I even work a quarter of the overtime hours of which I had gotten credit for.
 
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Sat Aug 11, 2007 7:47 am

Another way of fudging numbers was one company that strictly used sign in sheets only and never used time clocks, I dont know if has been changed yet, but it required me to write up a lot of people, cause I would notice they never showed up on shifts and never showed up ontime for work. Id start whiting out names, plus the coworkers would add hours for other people and sign others in too. Very poor system. at DAL Global Services.
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RE: US Baggage Handlers Probe At PHL

Sat Aug 11, 2007 9:44 am

Interesting... Is this sort of fraud and incompetence and negative issues happening only with US East at PHL? It's not systemwide is it? I just got hired by US West as a ramper at SNA... I won't be dealing with this sort of thing, will I?
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Sat Aug 11, 2007 10:19 am

Quoting San747 (Reply 26):
Interesting... Is this sort of fraud and incompetence and negative issues happening only with US East at PHL? It's not systemwide is it? I just got hired by US West as a ramper at SNA... I won't be dealing with this sort of thing, will I

Oh I beleive it has happened at LAS as well.

especially letting CWA Customer Service Agents pick up open time in the Timekeeping (nonunion) department.
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Sat Aug 11, 2007 10:23 am

Quoting Malaysia (Reply 27):

Oh I beleive it has happened at LAS as well.

Great. Oh well, I just hope my new crew won't play any games like that. Honestly, what I don't understand about this whole thing is how those rampers who are giving themselves 100 hours a week of overtime expected to get away with it. If you're going to try something like that (playing DEVIL'S ADVOCATE ONLY here), you have to start slow with a realistic number that wouldn't cause suspicion, like maybe 10-15 hours per week extra. If you get too greedy, you will ultimately fail.

But I won't be doing that anytime soon, since I want to KEEP my job for a while...
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RE: US Baggage Handlers Probe At PHL

Sat Aug 11, 2007 10:33 am

Quoting San747 (Reply 28):
But I won't be doing that anytime soon, since I want to KEEP my job for a while...

Or how about not doing it because it's wrong?

My mama taught me that stealing was wrong. Apparently for some in this thread, their mamas taught them that stealing is understandable, and perhaps okay, based on how much money they make in Philadelphia.

I'm sure they'll pass the lesson along so the cycle may begin afresh.

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Sat Aug 11, 2007 11:10 am

Quoting ContnlEliteCMH (Reply 29):
Or how about not doing it because it's wrong?

My mama taught me that stealing was wrong. Apparently for some in this thread, their mamas taught them that stealing is understandable, and perhaps okay, based on how much money they make in Philadelphia.

I'm sure they'll pass the lesson along so the cycle may begin afresh.

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Sat Aug 11, 2007 11:25 am

Quoting ContnlEliteCMH (Reply 29):

Or how about not doing it because it's wrong?

Well, of course, I also wouldn't do it because it's wrong. But I kind of figured it went without saying. Honestly, I'm not really even capable of attempting scams or things of that nature, my conscience is too omni-present  Smile
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Sat Aug 11, 2007 2:01 pm

Quoting Vega (Reply 22):
If you're in it part time as a college student, or similar maybe. Ever try and live in Philadelphia on $10/hour? Even a lower mid-range, unappealing apartment in a reasonable location well away from Center City would cost you around 150% of your take home pay.

Fleet service isn't a job to make a living at. It's a great job for a college student, especially one still living at home. Anyone who tries to raise a family on airline wages needs to get their head checked. Even at top-out ramp pay that would be difficult. Nearly everyone I work with has some sort of second income, or a spouse who makes a lot of money at their job.
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Sat Aug 11, 2007 2:46 pm

Quoting Malaysia (Reply 20):
Well a bit off topic, Independence Air used a finger print scanner for the time clock plus a pin number in addition

That's exactly what we use, Workbrain.

Apparently about $1 Million dollars was stolen from the company in this scheme.

All I know is that I just moved up 150 spots. I'm alright with that.

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Sat Aug 11, 2007 3:09 pm

Quoting PHLapproach (Reply 33):
hat's exactly what we use, Workbrain.

Well I was referring to the timeclocks, but the program was entirely different and actually a very nice system that had many features that the Workbrain programmers assigned to US in PHX are so lazy to put in.

Independence Air used ROSTERAPPS, Jetblue utilizes this system as well.

With ROSTERAPPS, The advantages was that NEW BIDS could be inserted by the employee into his/her account for the upcoming new ramp/gate schedules. The system would automatically do the proxy and seniority calculations and immediately input all the new schedules in within an hour from bid close and much more such as easy vacation and balance managements for your own personal use (plus you could access RosterApps from any computer worldwide, thus could start posting trades and hopefully have more of your shifts picked up to put off your return from vacation in Bali)

Workbrain had many things that were to be added such as more automation, but apparently the programmers (well the GA company does not really deal with the programmings of the US workbrain though) workbrain for US requires its own programmers to put in the CWA/TWU/IAM contract formulas for each work group. But nobody in PHX is making any progress on improving the system and things still got to be done manually and on paper.

In my opinion, they should just go right to RosterApps and close down Workbrain.

I think British Airways dropped Workbrain a while back, I might be wrong, but someone at BA told me that they changed to another scheduling system.
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Sat Aug 11, 2007 3:23 pm

Quoting Malaysia (Reply 25):
Another way of fudging numbers was one company that strictly used sign in sheets only and never used time clocks, I dont know if has been changed yet, but it required me to write up a lot of people, cause I would notice they never showed up on shifts and never showed up ontime for work. Id start whiting out names, plus the coworkers would add hours for other people and sign others in too. Very poor system. at DAL Global Services.

We use a sign in sheet, but the shift leaders (moi) has to verify the times and sign for any overtime.

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Sat Aug 11, 2007 3:28 pm

Quoting RDUDDJI (Reply 18):
Considering many rampers top at at over $20/hr in this country...it's no wonder airlines are struggling.

Thats only after working 10+ years for an airline. I dont believe thats enough money for someone who has worked for over 25 years for an airline. Being a ramp agent is a very dangerous job and physically demanding.

Quoting SHUPirate1 (Reply 19):
Shockingly, US Airways pays their new-hire Ramp Agents more than they pay their new-hire Customer Service Agents!

You most also remember that Ramp Agents are responsible for multi million dollar aircrafts while on the ground and the final safety checks is are done by rampers.

Quoting ContnlEliteCMH (Reply 11):
Well duh. Maybe the reason those people only make $10/hour is because they aren't very smart to begin with

I find that very offensive to all ramp agents
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Sat Aug 11, 2007 3:55 pm

Quoting VikingA346 (Reply 13):
It's too bad they can't get their act together, increase the wage for baggage handlers and hire some higher quality people.

So it's US's fault they got frauded because they pay their rampers $9 an hour to start? Would you blame a rape victim for the crime because she wore a short skirt?

Time card fraud happens at all sorts of companies, at all different pay levels. These rampers went to extreme lengths to defraud the company out of a serious amount of money. I hope and expect for felony charges for a number of the rampers.
 
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Sat Aug 11, 2007 7:19 pm

Quoting Slovacek747 (Reply 6):
All of yall have a serious lacking of understanding when it comes to Economics. That goes to show how stupid most people in the country are. Even if the minimum wage was $20 bucks an hour and they were making that, these people would have the same standard of living!! Prices for everyone would go up. This has nothing to do with the rich getting richer BS. If we lowered the minimum wage to $2 an hour, prices for everything would fall because no one could afford anything (that is where supply and demand take over).

There are always going to be people that won't be rich and struggling to make it in a particular industry, and that is the way it should be. In our system, we are free to pursue better jobs and make conditions better for ourselves. Now whether or not we take that leap is another story, but everyone is not entitled to equal compensation.

LLiriBDL's comment about this being a disgrace for our country and our politicians is an absolute crock of S***. Please gain a better understanding of Econ before making such an ignorant comment.

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Slovacek.... to add to your comments, this is why I dislike the liberal politicians so much. They position themselves as heros to the low wage working class, when in reality they are promoting an increase of minimum wage just to get votes from the uneducated.
 
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Sun Aug 12, 2007 1:42 am

Quoting ContnlEliteCMH (Reply 11):
Maybe the reason those people only make $10/hour is because they aren't very smart to begin with.

As a 'ramper,' I take offense to that comment, as well. The reason "those people" make 10 an hour is because that's what the airline decides to pay for these service workers. Underpaid, yes. All the storms, heat waves, hard work, for that amount of money? Definitely underpaid, but at no time does it condone time clock fraud. One thing to remember: these employees knew what they were going to make when they were hired. If that's not enough, find a job somewhere else that pays more. There are other manual labor jobs that pay more. I got hired to work on the ramp for a specific pay. I accepted that. Thrilled with the pay? No, but that was a condition of the job and if I didn't agree with it, it was my responsibility to find another job.

Quoting Platinumfoota (Reply 36):
Quoting SHUPirate1 (Reply 19):
Shockingly, US Airways pays their new-hire Ramp Agents more than they pay their new-hire Customer Service Agents!

You most also remember that Ramp Agents are responsible for multi million dollar aircrafts while on the ground and the final safety checks is are done by rampers.

At B6, Customer Service & Ramp have the same pay start and increase with each year of service. While I used to see harsh weather and a lot of manual labor as more strenuous than Customer Service, I sure do understand why the pay is the same. Customer service deals with all the angry customers during delay periods/cancellations, and basically is the front-line for customer anger and abuse when flights are delayed. The group which is the last to blame but first to get yelled at for delays and they're among the lowest paid with rampers. Certainly acceptable to pay both equally, for both have equal stressors in their positions.
 
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RE: US Baggage Handlers Probe At PHL

Sun Aug 12, 2007 6:21 am

Regarding part of the issue with the tremendous number of "lost" US bags at PHL, I have to wonder if this is due to a "small" percentage of the US baggage handlers "liberating" some of the contents of said "lost" bags. There have been numerous "sting" operations undertaken by federal law enforcement at PHL involving stolen bulk jewelry shipments at the UPS sort facility and the USPS facility in Cargo City over the past few years (mainly targeting shipments to/from QVC, the huge cable shopping program based in suburban Philly) that have been covered by the Philadelphia press corps. I truly think that there's the possibility of a much larger realm of criminal activity that's involved.

In March 2006, I was riding the R1 Airport train from PHL into 30th Street station, and a couple of young US rampers (in uniform shirts!) were talking LOUDLY about someone who "scored" expensive jewelry items (not sure what). I was holding my US Chairmans luggage tag in my hand, purposely flicking it back and forth in my fingers, and one of the kids saw this, and the expression on my face, then leaned over to another guy, and then quickly got off the train at the Eastwick station. Obviously, they knew i'd heard the conversation. The PHL airport has always been a source of criminal activity, from kickbacks to Philly city officials, to organized crime activity in the terminal concessions, to a huge scheme that defrauded the Parking Authority of millions in garage parking fees!
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RE: US Baggage Handlers Probe At PHL

Sun Aug 12, 2007 6:27 am

Quoting Slovacek747 (Reply 6):
Prices for everyone would go up. This has nothing to do with the rich getting richer BS. If we lowered the minimum wage to $2 an hour, prices for everything would fall because no one could afford anything (that is where supply and demand take over).

I completely agree with this.

Quoting VikingA346 (Reply 13):
US' performance at PHL has been downright dreadful for the past couple of years

 yes 

Quoting SHUPirate1 (Reply 19):
Shockingly, US Airways pays their new-hire Ramp Agents more than they pay their new-hire Customer Service Agents!

My bad has made it through PHL most times, but my customer service experiences with US Airways have been horrific, in fact I won't fly them anymore after my experiences in June...so while it may be shocking, it sure isn't surprising to me!
 
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RE: US Baggage Handlers Probe At PHL

Sun Aug 12, 2007 6:34 am

Quoting StasisLax (Reply 40):
Regarding part of the issue with the tremendous number of "lost" US bags at PHL, I have to wonder if this is due to a "small" percentage of the US baggage handlers "liberating" some of the contents of said "lost" bags. There have been numerous "sting" operations undertaken by federal law enforcement at PHL involving stolen bulk jewelry shipments at the UPS sort facility and the USPS facility in Cargo City over the past few years (mainly targeting shipments to/from QVC, the huge cable shopping program based in suburban Philly) that have been covered by the Philadelphia press corps. I truly think that there's the possibility of a much larger realm of criminal activity that's involved.

I think Ill stay away from PHL then.
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RE: US Baggage Handlers Probe At PHL

Sun Aug 12, 2007 7:06 am

Quoting Malaysia (Reply 42):
I think Ill stay away from PHL then.

Then you should stay away from every major U.S. airport, especially JFK, SEA , MIA.and LAX
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RE: US Baggage Handlers Probe At PHL

Sun Aug 12, 2007 7:15 am

Quoting Slovacek747 (Reply 6):
All of yall have a serious lacking of understanding when it comes to Economics. That goes to show how stupid most people in the country are. Even if the minimum wage was $20 bucks an hour and they were making that, these people would have the same standard of living!! Prices for everyone would go up. This has nothing to do with the rich getting richer BS. If we lowered the minimum wage to $2 an hour, prices for everything would fall because no one could afford anything (that is where supply and demand take over).

Making 20 bucks an hour you would simply raise your standard of living. Say that you pay 1000 a month rent/or house, going from 9 bucks to 20, thats' a helluva a difference.

This has a lot to do with economics, because prices for everything are going up faster than the wages, unless you're an educated (college) person or a rich bastard (ceo's who make billions and give ***** to the poor). The only person lacking of understanding when it comes to economics is you my cekoslovakian friend.

Quoting Slovacek747 (Reply 6):
There are always going to be people that won't be rich and struggling to make it in a particular industry, and that is the way it should be. In our system, we are free to pursue better jobs and make conditions better for ourselves. Now whether or not we take that leap is another story, but everyone is not entitled to equal compensation.

No you are not free to pursue better jobs, unless you speak darn good english and are able to afford an education and get a college degree. Even then it's tough. Millions of Americans lack the education, language, etc and have to work s**itty jobs to make ends meet. They're not asking to get a 10 dollar raise but at least raise the minimum wage so when someone else gets a job they're not getting ripped off by the company. ECO101.

Quoting Slovacek747 (Reply 6):

LLiriBDL's comment about this being a disgrace for our country and our politicians is an absolute crock of S***. Please gain a better understanding of Econ before making such an ignorant comment.

Economics 101
Slovacek747

First of all it's Iliri (as in iliri with a capital I), and second, yes it's a disgrace to this rich country (richest on earth) to have so many poor people, so many people with no insurance, and so many rich bastards getting richer on the sweat of millions of others and they don't give a F about it.

There are a lot of opportunities to make it big in this country, and by making it big I mean be able to afford to live good, not be rich, just be able to enjoy life, have your own house etc etc.

Quoting Slovacek747 (Reply 6):
If we lowered the minimum wage to $2 an hour, prices for everything would fall because no one could afford anything (that is where supply and demand take over).

Lower the minimum wage to 2 bucks but tell me this, would the mortgage payment be lowered? Would the car payment be lowered?

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RE: US Baggage Handlers Probe At PHL

Sun Aug 12, 2007 9:27 am

Raising minimum wage from $9 to $20 an would NOT raise the standard of living (perhaps for a very brief period). In order to pay that much, every company would have to raise prices to compensate for that, which means it would cost the consumer more and therefore we are at square one. I'm an ECON major at the University of Texas.

It is possible for everyone to become educated, whether you like it or not. Sure loans and financial aid along with working may be necessary but it is doable. How do I know this? Because I'm one of those people! My parents don't pay a cent of tuition but I'm still working hard to make it. If you fail to it is because of one's mentality and perhaps this isn't the country for you.

If the minimum wage was at $2, I would argue that yes your mortgage payment would be lowered. Home prices (and everything else) would plummet and it would not be physically possible to pay prices as they are now. Therefore, prices would have to decrease on the mortgage. Impossible to think about because it won't happen, but it's reality.

I concur with Ambassador about the liberal politicians. They believe they are doing everyone a world of good and attracting voters by promising to raise the minimum wage but like or not, each summer for the next 2 years when the new minimum wage takes effect, prices will go up and set us back to where we are now. So quite frankly, they can lower the minimum wage to $1 and I wouldn't care one bit because it's all relative and things really wouldn't change as mentioned by my "$2/hr example".

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RE: US Baggage Handlers Probe At PHL

Sun Aug 12, 2007 9:46 am

Quoting SW733 (Reply 41):
My bad has made it through PHL most times, but my customer service experiences with US Airways have been horrific, in fact I won't fly them anymore after my experiences in June...so while it may be shocking, it sure isn't surprising to me!

I almost never do check bags, but my one experience with checking a bag on US Airways was a couple of summers ago, coming off a redeye into Philadelphia...no problem whatsoever...

I will say this...US Airways has changed drastically since Tempe bought out Crystal City, and the change has NOT been for the better in any way but the balance sheet. I've gone from Silver Preferred to no longer flying the carrier myself.
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RE: US Baggage Handlers Probe At PHL

Sun Aug 12, 2007 10:25 am

Quoting StasisLax (Reply 40):
The PHL airport has always been a source of criminal activity, from kickbacks to Philly city officials, to organized crime activity in the terminal concessions, to a huge scheme that defrauded the Parking Authority of millions in garage parking fees!

Corruption and criminal activities at a big city airport?  faint 

Quoting ContnlEliteCMH (Reply 11):
Maybe the reason those people only make $10/hour is because they aren't very smart to begin with.

Intelligence has almost nothing to do with it. Some of us actually went into the industry knowing we wouldn't start out making decent wages and while many supplement their wages by working overtime or at a second job, a small number supplement theirs via luggage theft and time card fraud. Does that small group of criminals mean we're all criminals? No.



Quoting Mtb555 (Reply 39):

At B6, Customer Service & Ramp have the same pay start and increase with each year of service.

The same is true with FL as well.

Quoting Platinumfoota (Reply 36):
Thats only after working 10+ years for an airline. I dont believe thats enough money for someone who has worked for over 25 years for an airline. Being a ramp agent is a very dangerous job and physically demanding.

Not true with many of the LCCs. Last I heard, FL's rampers top out at under $14 an hour and the top out rate is reached after 13 years. Many of the LCCs will not have too many folks making the top out rates due to the higher turnover rates than their legacy counterparts.
 
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RE: US Baggage Handlers Probe At PHL

Sun Aug 12, 2007 10:34 am

Whats the top out pay for a US ramper? since its an LCC now?

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RE: US Baggage Handlers Probe At PHL

Sun Aug 12, 2007 10:56 am

Quoting SHUPirate1 (Reply 46):
Raising minimum wage from $9 to $20 an would NOT raise the standard of living (perhaps for a very brief period). In order to pay that much, every company would have to raise prices to compensate for that, which means it would cost the consumer more and therefore we are at square one. I'm an ECON major at the University of Texas.

It is possible for everyone to become educated, whether you like it or not. Sure loans and financial aid along with working may be necessary but it is doable. How do I know this? Because I'm one of those people! My parents don't pay a cent of tuition but I'm still working hard to make it. If you fail to it is because of one's mentality and perhaps this isn't the country for you.

If the minimum wage was at $2, I would argue that yes your mortgage payment would be lowered. Home prices (and everything else) would plummet and it would not be physically possible to pay prices as they are now. Therefore, prices would have to decrease on the mortgage. Impossible to think about because it won't happen, but it's reality.

I concur with Ambassador about the liberal politicians. They believe they are doing everyone a world of good and attracting voters by promising to raise the minimum wage but like or not, each summer for the next 2 years when the new minimum wage takes effect, prices will go up and set us back to where we are now. So quite frankly, they can lower the minimum wage to $1 and I wouldn't care one bit because it's all relative and things really wouldn't change as mentioned by my "$2/hr example".

Slovacek747

I know it's possible to become educated in this country. I came here when I was 14, wasn't my choice, (due to war), but I had to learn English, graduate from high school, and currently going to college (finance major). But I'm talking about men and women that were say in their 30s, 40s, 50s, had to learn English and at the same time support their families. Also if it was up to me I would take away the support that govt gives to people (health care, money, food stamps) because it lets them stay like that (poor) and not pursue a job, etc. I'm also republican.

Where my problem with the govt stands is that they don't have a plan for immigrants that come to this country to be able to assimilate them into "Americans". If it was up to me I would make it a law that you would need to learn English if you wanted to live in this country, that way you would be able to pursue an education (whether it's one of those programs that turn them into mechanic, or whatever else they would want), a better job, a better life.
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