johnyv
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Why So Few US East Flights At CMH?

Sat Aug 11, 2007 1:16 am

I have been reading this forum for years and finally my wife signed me up for our anniversary! This is my first post and I have pondered this question for a while now.

US used to have a pretty sizable amount of flights out of CMH. Now they are down to 2 a day! Even US West (HP) has more than that. WN, B6, and Skybus have more of an operation than US Mainline. Why does CMH see so little mainline service! Even BUF gets a daily 752.

Just curious about everybody's thoughts!
 
flyCMH
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RE: Why So Few US East Flights At CMH?

Sat Aug 11, 2007 1:44 am

My assumption would be the large Shuttle America/Chautauqua Airlines maintenance/crew base located in CMH. Even though Columbus is not an official Republic maintenance or crew base, aircraft are regularly sent to Shuttle America for light maintenance checks by Republic. Given the need to cycle aircraft through CMH, as well as the general trend of shifting mainline flying to RJs, and also USAirways mainline letting go of some of their 737 fleet and reallocating 757s to international ops, it was inevitable that a lot of CMH flying would go RJ. It's a shame to see, but it's the nature of the industry nowadays.

Slightly off topic, but the USAirways brand as a whole will shrink even further from CMH come September, when the 4 daily Saab 340 flights between CMH and PIT are terminated. I talked to a Colgan pilot yesterday concerning the change, he said that it came literally without notice, as he had just moved to Columbus. Basically, the same old reasoning was given that the route was not making money, even though it regularly went out full, especially when flights to the other hubs were severely delayed or cancelled, which happens quite often.
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UN_B732
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RE: Why So Few US East Flights At CMH?

Sat Aug 11, 2007 2:01 am

Wasn't CMH formerly an America West focus city?
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johnyv
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RE: Why So Few US East Flights At CMH?

Sat Aug 11, 2007 3:21 am

It was an HP Hub!

Thanks FlyCMH for the info. that sucks we are losing the PIT flts. Wonder if CMH will lose the Sat. turbo flight to DCA.

I guess it will just be one less type to spot  Sad
 
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RE: Why So Few US East Flights At CMH?

Sat Aug 11, 2007 3:30 am

Quoting FlyCMH (Reply 1):
Slightly off topic, but the USAirways brand as a whole will shrink even further from CMH come September, when the 4 daily Saab 340 flights between CMH and PIT are terminated. I talked to a Colgan pilot yesterday concerning the change, he said that it came literally without notice, as he had just moved to Columbus. Basically, the same old reasoning was given that the route was not making money, even though it regularly went out full, especially when flights to the other hubs were severely delayed or cancelled, which happens quite often.

When I went PIT to CMH back in June, there were a total of a dozen people on the two flights combined. Not scientific, but if that was the norm then I can understand the cancellation.

Quoting Johnyv (Thread starter):
WN, B6, and Skybus

Part of the answer is in your question. With limited resources (aircraft) available, why put them into a market with a lot of LCC competition? Especially when that competition is doing their best to lose money. Use the aircraft where they can turn a profit.

Quoting FlyCMH (Reply 1):
My assumption would be the large Shuttle America/Chautauqua Airlines maintenance/crew base located in CMH. Even though Columbus is not an official Republic maintenance or crew base, aircraft are regularly sent to Shuttle America for light maintenance checks by Republic. Given the need to cycle aircraft through CMH, as well as the general trend of shifting mainline flying to RJs, and also USAirways mainline letting go of some of their 737 fleet and reallocating 757s to international ops, it was inevitable that a lot of CMH flying would go RJ. It's a shame to see, but it's the nature of the industry nowadays.

That's another big part of the answer right there.
 
bluejackets
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RE: Why So Few US East Flights At CMH?

Sat Aug 11, 2007 8:53 am

Quoting Johnyv (Thread starter):
US used to have a pretty sizable amount of flights out of CMH.

Yeah, you know they had A319's and I think even some 320's to CLT and PHL just about 3 years ago, but now it's hard to see them coming back.

Quoting FlyCMH (Reply 1):
Slightly off topic, but the USAirways brand as a whole will shrink even further from CMH come September, when the 4 daily Saab 340 flights between CMH and PIT are terminated.

May also be a result of the still continuing US downsizing of PIT. Sad to see, but thanks for the update.
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RE: Why So Few US East Flights At CMH?

Sat Aug 11, 2007 9:08 am

Quoting FlyCMH (Reply 1):
Basically, the same old reasoning was given that the route was not making money, even though it regularly went out full, especially when flights to the other hubs were severely delayed or cancelled, which happens quite often.

I Fly this route about 15 times a year, and I think i've only seen it go out full once. However you are right...when the Blank hits the fan at Phili and CLT they do get full to reroute through Pit but since US is centering ops to PHL, they're downsizing PIT further and making almost impossible to connect through PIT anyway.

I don't think this is a good Idea, I think keeping at least 2 of the three flights would have been more logical...It would definately help US to keep PIT as a prominant Focus City...as PHL easily gets clogged and is a very bad airport to travel through.
 
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RE: Why So Few US East Flights At CMH?

Sat Aug 11, 2007 12:35 pm

Quoting UN_B732 (Reply 2):
Wasn't CMH formerly an America West focus city?

CMH was a hub for HP (though a small one, with only about about 50 departures a day). US itself (In the days of USair) once had a large focus city operation at CMH, taking up the entire A concourse. Back then, they had quite a bit of mainline here. Even as recent as 2004, they had A321's coming in, as well as a number of A319s and 737s.

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