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Sat Aug 11, 2007 2:19 am

I assume this is standard for a new carrier, but checking on the VX sight, most of their flights have been delayed between JFK and SFO (both directions), most of those by more than 30 minutes. The LAX-SFO runs have been a bit better. About 1/2 have been late, but late in the day, which leads me to believe they were awaiting inbound aircraft.

Was this entirely due to JFK weather (despite that usually not impacting morning flights) or is there something else?
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Sat Aug 11, 2007 2:25 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Thread starter):
Was this entirely due to JFK weather (despite that usually not impacting morning flights) or is there something else?

I can't say for sure on these specific VX flights but JFK has becoming a total nightmare this summer with delays on the ground inbound (waiting for gates) and outbound (up to 3 hours in the plane waiting to depart)

When I flew in Sunday night from CDG, I chatted with the captain after the flight and he said we were lucky we caught a open gate and that if we hadn't, we would have waited 1h30!!! He also said there were 50 aircrafts waiting for departure when we arrived....

With these circumstances, it becomes completely independant from the airline whether they leave on time or not.
 
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Sat Aug 11, 2007 2:35 am

Checking CO's JFK-IAH flights yesterday, they were getting off the gate nearly on time, but arriving progressively later into IAH, so that would confirm the 50 jet wait to depart buildup.

Must suck for VX to start service only to have their entire operation screwed up by JFK. Then again, they chose JFK as their first destination...

EWR looked pretty bad yesterday, too.
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Sat Aug 11, 2007 2:39 am

We're talking about Virgin America, VA, right? JFK SFO can be a rough city pair in the Summer (and spring, winter and fall too)
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Sat Aug 11, 2007 2:50 am

Most people will probably forget about flt delays after they board those fine looking birds.
 
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Sat Aug 11, 2007 2:55 am

Quoting Frontierflyer (Reply 4):
Most people will probably forget about flt delays after they board those fine looking birds.

As long as I can order food while I'm on the ground during a long ground delay and use my laptop via the power, I wouldn't care. I do hate the $8 movie crap, but maybe VX can have a policy to give them for free if ordered up during a delay? That would be a real "different" way of doing business.
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Sat Aug 11, 2007 2:56 am

Virgin America. VA? Everyone is writing VX, so I started doing so. Which is it? I like VA, but VX is the official IATA code.

[Edited 2007-08-10 19:57:11]
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Sat Aug 11, 2007 3:07 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 5):
As long as I can order food while I'm on the ground during a long ground delay and use my laptop via the power, I wouldn't care. I do hate the $8 movie crap, but maybe VX can have a policy to give them for free if ordered up during a delay? That would be a real "different" way of doing business.

i didnt realize that you had to pay for the movies until i read the engadget in depth review of the IFE system. Lame lame lame. I can understand buying food, but movies for 8 bucks a pop? no thanks.
 
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Sat Aug 11, 2007 3:17 am

And $2 per simpsons episode. I mean... come on...
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Sat Aug 11, 2007 3:51 am

Well, they fly to LAX, SFO, and JFK, 3 of the most delay-plagued airports in the world. Not surprising!
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Sat Aug 11, 2007 3:55 am

Quoting N766UA (Reply 9):
Well, they fly to LAX, SFO, and JFK, 3 of the most delay-plagued airports in the world. Not surprising!

LAX is not delayed plagued in my experience living here for 8 years. At least not when compared to the other major cities in the USA (Houston, Dallas, New York, Miami, Chicago, Washington, San Fran, Atlanta, etc.). The main delays I've experienced are planes arriving late from other places having left the gate late from those airports.
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Sat Aug 11, 2007 6:32 am

Quoting Jabar (Reply 1):
When I flew in Sunday night from CDG, I chatted with the captain after the flight and he said we were lucky we caught a open gate and that if we hadn't, we would have waited 1h30!!! He also said there were 50 aircrafts waiting for departure when we arrived....

And yet everybody on here attacks LHR  eyepopping  ! I'm not defending Heathrow but at least this proves that there are other airports with very serious issues.
 
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Sat Aug 11, 2007 7:26 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Thread starter):
Was this entirely due to JFK weather (despite that usually not impacting morning flights) or is there something else?

0830 to around 1000L is pretty hectic on the taxiways, and is leading to a lot of late arrivals, despite getting off the gate on time. At B6, most of the morning flights are off the gate on time, if not early, but get caught on the taxiway which, while not nearly as bad as it is at night, can run long, causing late arrival. Earlier this week, they lined up the whole length of 13L/31R in the 31 direction and then back in the 13 direction. I really hope traffic control gets a handle on the constant gridlocks at JFK. It's been long enough, and it's only going to get worse.

I gotta tell ya, I saw the VX 320 parked at the hardstand, with the door open. That purple mood lighting filling the windows and doorway before sunrise was quite a sight!  Smile
 
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Sat Aug 11, 2007 7:36 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 6):
Virgin America. VA? Everyone is writing VX, so I started doing so. Which is it? I like VA, but VX is the official IATA code.

IATA : VX
ICAO : VRD
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Sat Aug 11, 2007 9:16 am

Quoting N766UA (Reply 9):
Well, they fly to LAX, SFO, and JFK, 3 of the most delay-plagued airports in the world

LAX is far from being a delay-plauged airport.

Matter of fact its the 4th best airport in the nation in ontime departures for the 12 months ending June 2007.
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Sat Aug 11, 2007 9:45 am

Quoting ScrubbsYWG (Reply 7):
i didnt realize that you had to pay for the movies until i read the engadget in depth review of the IFE system. Lame lame lame. I can understand buying food, but movies for 8 bucks a pop? no thanks.



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 8):
And $2 per simpsons episode. I mean... come on...

Come on, VX is an LCC. If you don't want to pay, bring your own iPod Video, portable DVD player, or laptop computer. Or choose a window seat and see the scenery outside.
 
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Sat Aug 11, 2007 9:54 am

listen to JFK ATC, its insane at peak times. i would hate to be one of the controllers there. those delays dont really suprise me.

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Sat Aug 11, 2007 9:54 am

Quoting Afterburner (Reply 15):
Come on, VX is an LCC. If you don't want to pay, bring your own iPod Video, portable DVD player, or laptop computer. Or choose a window seat and see the scenery outside.

Charging above market rates is not cool.

99 cents for a 22 minute TV episode would be alright, as would be $5 for a movie.

But $8 is more than pay per view or a video store rental. $1.99 is the price of a video episode you can have forever, not just one flight.
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Sat Aug 11, 2007 10:36 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 17):
Charging above market rates is not cool.

I agree with you. But it also happens anywhere else. How about ridiculously expensive drinks in the hotels' mini bars? If you want free food and entertainment, you can fly full-fare airlines.
 
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Sat Aug 11, 2007 10:52 am

Quoting Zeke (Reply 13):
Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 6):
Virgin America. VA? Everyone is writing VX, so I started doing so. Which is it? I like VA, but VX is the official IATA code.

IATA : VX
ICAO : VRD

The cursor cheat on VX is coming up as "ACES (Columbia)"???
 
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Sat Aug 11, 2007 11:01 am

Quoting Afterburner (Reply 18):
I agree with you. But it also happens anywhere else. How about ridiculously expensive drinks in the hotels' mini bars? If you want free food and entertainment, you can fly full-fare airlines.

If I don't want to pay that, I can step out of the hotel and go someplace.

If I stepped out of an airplane, while it might please some grumpy a.netters, it probably wouldn't be good for my longterm health.

But again, above MARKET rates. Hotels all generally overcharge for stuff, and the more expensive the hotel, the more they charge.

But VX is charging more than competitors for entertainment. Thus their fees are above market. If DL, for example, also charged $8 for a movies, then maybe there's a point there. But they charge $5. As does B6. And other carriers with AVOD don't charge anything...
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Sat Aug 11, 2007 11:04 am

Quoting N766UA (Reply 9):
Well, they fly to LAX, SFO, and JFK, 3 of the most delay-plagued airports in the world. Not surprising

Yes, SFO and JFK are delay-plagued as is EWR and sometimes ORD when the weather is bad. But LAX is the opposite of delay-prone due to its efficient layout of 4 parallel runways (although ORD will have that luxury eventually). As Laxintl mentioned, it ranks toward the top of major airports in the US in terms of on-time performance. Of course it helps when the weather there is ideal most of the time. ATL, DFW, DEN, DTW, IAH, and I think MCO also have 4 parallel runways, but aren't as "on-time" as LAX due to inferior weather conditions much of the time.
 
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Sat Aug 11, 2007 11:14 am

Quoting 747fan (Reply 21):
ATL, DFW, DEN, DTW, IAH, and I think MCO also have 4 parallel runways, but aren't as "on-time" as LAX due to inferior weather conditions much of the time.

ATL has 5 parallel runways.
 
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Sat Aug 11, 2007 11:52 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 20):
If I don't want to pay that, I can step out of the hotel and go someplace.

If you don't want to pay 8 bucks per movie, you can

Quoting Afterburner (Reply 15):
bring your own iPod Video, portable DVD player, or laptop computer



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 20):
If I stepped out of an airplane, while it might please some grumpy a.netters, it probably wouldn't be good for my longterm health.

:D Good sense of humor.

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 20):
But VX is charging more than competitors

What's wrong when a company is charging more than its competitors? It's not illegal. In this case, there's no obligation for anybody to watch movies on VX and moreover, there's no obligation to fly them in the first place.
 
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Sat Aug 11, 2007 1:44 pm

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 17):
But $8 is more than pay per view or a video store rental. $1.99 is the price of a video episode you can have forever, not just one flight.

I challenge you to find a Blockbuster at FL310....  Wink


I do agree though, 8 dollars a movie is a bit lame. Maybe even Very...
 
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Sat Aug 11, 2007 2:07 pm

LAX has a lot of things going for it leading to few delays.

Parallel runways that have consistent winds. And when they happen to shift, the just reverse 180 degrees. This is one of the times you will get delays due to longer flight length, but it's still not a lot of time.

Weather that remains between 50 and 90 degrees most of the year, with daylight to midnight temps usually 60-80 most days of the year.

No thunderstorms. Barely rains. Fog only six months out of the year, and usually burned off by 7-8AM.

Most flights entering the approach pattern from within a 145 degree arc rather than a 360 degree radius. Other than the south pacific and mexico flights, everything's coming in from the east and north, and landing to the west.

Runways close to terminals. Some say too close, but makes for short taxi times to take off on the north side and after landing on the south side.

Not a hub dominated by one carrier. Focus city for WN, AA, QF and DL, hub for UA and AS. Therefor it's not overloaded by banks of arrivals or departures that tie up the works.

International arrivals and departures at all times of day. Due to the long distances to most international destinations and the position within the timezones, widebodies arrive and depart all the time to everywhere. Further, there's a lull in westbound USA traffic in the early evening when the flights would arrive in the middle of the night, which leaves room for evening departures to europe.

I'm sure there are more reasons, but all of those add up to a busy airport that doesn't cause delays. But it doesn't mean there aren't delays, as international and domestic arrivals are delayed from departure, which then cascades into a delay in departure. But it's not LAX's fault that they are waiting for equipment from CLE, DFW, DEN or SYD before you can leave...

Quoting Afterburner (Reply 23):
What's wrong when a company is charging more than its competitors? It's not illegal. In this case, there's no obligation for anybody to watch movies on VX and moreover, there's no obligation to fly them in the first place.

So why are you obligated to convince everyone that $8 is fair? Do you work for VX or the movie companies? Last thing I want, personally, is for people to agree that VX is pricing things fairly, because then OTHERS WILL FOLLOW. Are you a masochist or something, begging for higher prices?  Wink (just joking, not trying to insult.)

But anyway, find me any carrier that charges $8 a movie, then we'll talk. And the whole point of VX talking about their high tech system is so you don't have to bring your own entertainment. They talk about how it's a whole new experience, and I guess it is, since I've never experienced paying $8 for a 4 hour movie rental I get to watch on a 10" screen before...  Wink
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Sat Aug 11, 2007 2:46 pm

Come on people... if you dont want to pay 2 dollars for a show, then dont buy it. No one is holding a gun to your head. At least you have the option to buy if you want to. They are just made available to you in the event you would like to watch. Last time I checked most US airlines do not offer IFE like that domestically.

As for most flights being delayed, what are the reasons? Maybe instead of implying and chalking it up to being a new airline, maybe look at other airlines arriving and departing at those airports for fair comparison.

Additionally, this airline has only operated, what, 2 days now? Relax people.
 
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Sat Aug 11, 2007 2:47 pm

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 5):
As long as I can order food while I'm on the ground during a long ground delay and use my laptop via the power, I wouldn't care.

Once the aircraft has left the gate it is then considered a "secure" cabin and thus FA's are not permitted to bring carts out into the aisles. They could do a service by hand but pax would likely not be allowed up or to pull out carryons. It's a touchy situation. If the cabin isn't secure then the aircraft is NOT permitted to perform any movement on the surface...many captains will give the crew a heads up as to whether they will be moving at ALL...or whether they should keep the cabin secure.
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Sat Aug 11, 2007 3:03 pm

Quoting Afterburner (Reply 18):
I agree with you. But it also happens anywhere else. How about ridiculously expensive drinks in the hotels' mini bars? If you want free food and entertainment, you can fly full-fare airlines.

What next? Pay $1 to use the onboard toilet? LOL
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Sat Aug 11, 2007 3:16 pm

Also remember that the prices "may" come down once the airline starts making regular money and is more stable.

The prices do seem high, but name one other airline that has all of this technology available right at your seat? Aside from Jetblue, which doesn't have as much to offer as compared to Virgin
 
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Sat Aug 11, 2007 3:21 pm

Please define the phrase "most flights late"? VA, VX, whatever, who cares has not even completed two full days of regular scheduled service between two city pairs. I flew Virgin America yesterday from LAX-SFO and back. Both flights were on time. So for me, All Virgin Flights Have Been On Time!

My guess is the person that started this post is an employee of a competitors airline.
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Sat Aug 11, 2007 3:46 pm

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 20):
If DL, for example, also charged $8 for a movies, then maybe there's a point there.

I'd be more worried if they all charged the same price ...

New operation, newish business model. I think, from their perspective, they are pricing these products to determine the 'oh sh*t' point. i.e. the price point where sales drop off. Selling 40 movies at $8 will generate the same revenue as selling 64 at $5. But if they sell 60 at $8 they are way ahead.

If they find they have priced this too high, they can always reduce it - and get favourable press (and a.nut) comments. If they started at $5 and started increasing it, they would get the opposite.

I realise a lot of you are speaking as consumers, I'm just looking at it from the business model. The perfect price, for any product or service, is what the punter is prepared to pay.
 
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Sat Aug 11, 2007 4:16 pm

Quoting Thread Title (Thread starter):
Virgin America- Most Flights Late So Far...



Quoting Laxintl (Reply 14):
LAX is far from being a delay-plauged airport.
Matter of fact its the 4th best airport in the nation in ontime departures for the 12 months ending June 2007.
http://airconsumer.ost.dot.gov/reports/2007/august/200708atcr.pdf
p.s. (SLC,PDX,SAN were the best)

Thank you for proving my point, Laxintl: you see VX, if you'd started out connecting SFO and SAN, you wouldn't be having these delays! So come on now, it's not too late to keep your promise and get started at Lindbergh!
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Sat Aug 11, 2007 5:17 pm

$8 movies - And you expected them to make up for the low fares, HOW ?

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Sat Aug 11, 2007 6:53 pm

Brand new airline, what do you expect?
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Sat Aug 11, 2007 6:58 pm

Honestly, its embarassing listening to you all pick tiny little faults. Face it, the ONE AND ONLY problem most of you guys have is that it is an "outsider" operating within the USA.
 
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Sat Aug 11, 2007 7:55 pm

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 8):
And $2 per simpsons episode. I mean... come on...

i thought the tv was free on VX? or just not the ondemand tv?
 
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Sat Aug 11, 2007 8:11 pm

Quoting Sevenair (Reply 35):
Honestly, its embarassing listening to you all pick tiny little faults. Face it, the ONE AND ONLY problem most of you guys have is that it is an "outsider" operating within the USA.

Yuo are right because it threatans jobs.
 
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Sat Aug 11, 2007 8:29 pm

Please don't start making this thread to be a thread that arguing whether or not VX is a foreign airline threatening the existing airlines like this locked thread.
 
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Sat Aug 11, 2007 9:20 pm

Quoting Frontierflyer (Reply 4):
Most people will probably forget about flt delays after they board those fine looking birds.

I doubt that. No channel nine to pass the time while on the ground?! Forget it. It wouldn't make a difference if I were sitting in the most comfortable seat known to air travel.

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 6):
I like VA, but VX is the official IATA code.

Either way, it's still better than VD!  duck 

Quoting ScrubbsYWG (Reply 7):
Lame lame lame. I can understand buying food, but movies for 8 bucks a pop? no thanks.

Sounds eerily similar to the way VJ operates - everything is for sale on their flights and their interiors fall well short of what VX is offering.


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Sat Aug 11, 2007 10:27 pm

Quoting Tozairport (Reply 3):
Virgin America, VA, right?

Yes, but the IATA code is VX; I know the cursor says ACES(Colombia) but it is a defunct airline so I guess IATA assigned that code to Virgin America..
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Sat Aug 11, 2007 11:19 pm

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 25):

Why argue? They're not gonna change their business model because of you. If you don't like it, don't fly them. Other people will happily take your place.You know, here in Europe, none of the LCCs even have PTVs.
 
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Sat Aug 11, 2007 11:29 pm

Quoting PlanenutzTB (Reply 30):
Please define the phrase "most flights late"? VA, VX, whatever, who cares has not even completed two full days of regular scheduled service between two city pairs. I flew Virgin America yesterday from LAX-SFO and back. Both flights were on time. So for me, All Virgin Flights Have Been On Time!My guess is the person that started this post is an employee of a competitors airline.

Rather than "guess" why not read? i work for no airline at all. And I asked a SIMPLE question about WHY the flights were late, and it is because of JFK WEATHER, not due to an operational issue.

So straighten out your panties and stop looking for a conspiracy...  Smile

Quoting SANFan (Reply 32):
Thank you for proving my point, Laxintl: you see VX, if you'd started out connecting SFO and SAN, you wouldn't be having these delays! So come on now, it's not too late to keep your promise and get started at Lindbergh!

So true. Some of us wonder why SFO-JFK needed another player. But at 300 seats a day, it's not that much of an impact right now. I can only assume they will bump it up to 600-750 seats a day, but still, that's only 32-40 premium seats a day. One AA 762 has has about the same premium count...

Quoting 777fan (Reply 39):
Either way, it's still better than VD!

I'll have to take your word on that...  Wink

Quoting Sevenair (Reply 35):
Honestly, its embarassing listening to you all pick tiny little faults. Face it, the ONE AND ONLY problem most of you guys have is that it is an "outsider" operating within the USA.

Supposedly, they have solved the issue of being a foreign airline, but just to be clear, remind us which foreign owned airlines operate domestically carrying domestic traffic within the UK again? I forgot...  Wink
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Sat Aug 11, 2007 11:41 pm

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 42):
Supposedly, they have solved the issue of being a foreign airline, but just to be clear, remind us which foreign owned airlines operate domestically carrying domestic traffic within the UK again? I forgot... Wink

Just to remind you then, none........exactly the same as none in the US either.

Quoting Nonfirm (Reply 37):
Yuo are right because it threatans jobs.

How come? If American's are being employed how are are jobs threatened, or whose?
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RE: Virgin America- Most Flights Late So Far...

Sat Aug 11, 2007 11:43 pm

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 42):
Supposedly, they have solved the issue of being a foreign airline, but just to be clear, remind us which foreign owned airlines operate domestically carrying domestic traffic within the UK again? I forgot..

Ah! I forgot Air Berlin......which incidently was founded by an American in the USA!!!!
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RE: Virgin America- Most Flights Late So Far...

Sat Aug 11, 2007 11:50 pm

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 42):
Supposedly, they have solved the issue of being a foreign airline, but just to be clear, remind us which foreign owned airlines operate domestically carrying domestic traffic within the UK again? I forgot.

Would you like reminded of Ryanair as well?
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RE: Virgin America- Most Flights Late So Far...

Sun Aug 12, 2007 12:18 am

Well, Virgin Atlantic is the UK's worst punctuality airline -what can you expect...
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RE: Virgin America- Most Flights Late So Far...

Sun Aug 12, 2007 12:28 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Thread starter):
Was this entirely due to JFK weather (despite that usually not impacting morning flights) or is there something else?

No, it is JFK. It is the worst airport in the US for on time dep/arr. I have flown two routes through JFK this past 2 weeks. PHX - JFK -LGW and PHX - JFK - BOS.

In USA today, there was an article this past week that said out of 560 flights in June that were 1.5 hours late or greater in the USA, 1/3 were because of JFK, one airport. It also sighted Newark as being bad also.

And the thing with JFK, they add 1-1.5 hours for taxi time to the listed flight time, so if you are on the ground less than 1.5 hours, you will arrive at your destination early.

The flight from JFK to PHX, the pilot was told he was first in line to depart. He was faberglasted on the PA, as he said typically he has to sit for 1.5 hours. We arrived 1.2 hours early in PHX.

Delta is offering triple miles if you fly their JFK to LGW flight. That is the only reason we flew through JFK. Now I know why. It was not worth triple miles. After flying from PHX to JFK, we sat for 1.5 hours. We had a 1.5 hour layover, so we heard last call for LGW when we got off the plane from PHX. Fortunately the gate was right next to the one we came in, so we ran in and beat the door closing. Then we preceded to sit on the tarmac for 2 hours. And it was sunny that day!

Avoid JFK at all costs. They should just level that place.

HOBO

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RE: Virgin America- Most Flights Late So Far...

Sun Aug 12, 2007 12:35 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 42):
Supposedly, they have solved the issue of being a foreign airline, but just to be clear, remind us which foreign owned airlines operate domestically carrying domestic traffic within the UK again? I forgot.

Another reminder which I was hoping you'd get on your own....Aer Lingus.
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RE: Virgin America- Most Flights Late So Far...

Sun Aug 12, 2007 12:40 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 42):
but just to be clear, remind us which foreign owned airlines operate domestically carrying domestic traffic within the UK again? I forgot

Ryanair

Aer Lingus

Air Berlin

VLM

Thats four for you....
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