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Questions About AA's Airbus 300

Sat Aug 11, 2007 10:19 am

This Sept. my friend will be flying on AA Airbus 300 and it will be his first time. I am wonder if any of you will provide some pics or info about Airbus 300. My friend and I sure would appreciate it.

I am surprised that Airbus 300 is still flying even it is old plane in US and AA is only airline that still flying them in US. I would like to fly them but I am little worry about problems that Airbus 300 have lately. If you all able to convict me that they are most safety that would be a big relief for me.  Smile
 
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RE: Questions About AA's Airbus 300

Sat Aug 11, 2007 10:27 am

The A300 is a great aircraft, I've never flown one, but I'm hoping I'll get a chance at some point before they're retired.

Some info-

With AA, the A300s have a total of 235 seats, making them the largest capacity aircraft in the fleet (I believe the 777s only have 234 seats, correct me if I'm wrong). They fly exclusively on the east coast, primarily to Caribbean destinations where the extra cargo capacity is needed.

Safety-wise, you have nothing to worry about. AA has been successfully running them for a long time now, and with the exception of the November 2001 crash, no major incidents have ever occurred with them.

So, enjoy your flight! Who knows how long those things will be around?  Smile
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RE: Questions About AA's Airbus 300

Sat Aug 11, 2007 10:32 am

Quoting San747 (Reply 1):

With AA, the A300s have a total of 235 seats, making them the largest capacity aircraft in the fleet (I believe the 777s only have 234 seats, correct me if I'm wrong).

IIRC the 777 has 265 seats. But given the size disparity the 300 is way more dense.


Safe? Yes. Modern aircraft are by and large very very safe. It takes an operator to make them unsafe. AA is hardly on the watchlist.
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RE: Questions About AA's Airbus 300

Sat Aug 11, 2007 10:34 am

Quoting Boeing743 (Thread starter):
I am surprised that Airbus 300 is still flying even it is old plane in US and AA is only airline that still flying them in US.

In the scheme of things, compared to AA's 767-200s and many of their MD80s, the A300s are spring chickens. The oldest one is less than twenty years old. The reason they are still around, and haven't yet been replaced, is two-fold: first, they serve a very unique and specialized mission within the AA network that no other current AA airplane can accomplish (namely, ultra-high-density, ultra-high-cargo-demand U.S.-Caribbean/Latin America routes), and second, AA has yet to find a suitable replacement aircraft. Long-term, my personal opinion is that the new Boeing 787-3 will replace them, but that is still at least 5-7 years off.

Quoting Boeing743 (Thread starter):
I would like to fly them but I am little worry about problems that Airbus 300 have lately.

Nothing to worry about. I personally don't really like flying the A300s, but it's not because of safety. The planes are maintenance hogs, but they are definitely safe. AA takes good care of them, and AA's maintenance organization is one of the most experienced, and professional, in the industry.

Quoting San747 (Reply 1):
With AA, the A300s have a total of 235 seats, making them the largest capacity aircraft in the fleet (I believe the 777s only have 234 seats, correct me if I'm wrong).

Actually, the A300s seat 267 in a very high-density (J16Y251) layout, and yes, they are most definitely the highest-capacity aircraft in the fleet, significantly larger than the low-density 777s.
 
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RE: Questions About AA's Airbus 300

Sat Aug 11, 2007 11:24 am

Yeah, they also use A300 on MIA to some of South America routes too. I am not sure if they use them on to Carribean routes. I am sure they use often on MIA-SJU as AA is carribean Hub there too. What is purpose of different seats?? domestic seats and international seats?? or what??
 
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RE: Questions About AA's Airbus 300

Sat Aug 11, 2007 7:56 pm

I don't have a vast knowledge of the A300s they are probably my second favourite aircraft in the fleet, surpassed only by the MD80s. I just think they are quite impressive birds and they look incredibly wide in the AA livery. As for safety, this is a modern aircraft and it is no less safe than any other aircraft from the era it originates. Its had its problems and I wouldn't maybe advise you to fly one that originates from an poorer less renowned airline in an undeveloped country, but AA is a world superforce that maintains its aircraft to the highest standards, so you shouldn't be worried

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RE: Questions About AA's Airbus 300

Sat Aug 11, 2007 8:34 pm

Quoting Boeing743 (Thread starter):
I am surprised that Airbus 300 is still flying even it is old plane in US and AA is only airline that still flying them in US. I would like to fly them but I am little worry about problems that Airbus 300 have lately. If you all able to convict me that they are most safety that would be a big relief for me.

The A300s in AA fleet are A300-600s and not that old many major airlines in the US and Europe fly even older aircraft.
What problems of the A300 are you refering to ?
The A300-600 is in service with some of the most safe and reliable airlines in the world like Lufthansa, Qatar, Thai, JAL
they would not use it if it is not safe. Age is also not an issue of an aircraft it is well maintained. NW flies 40 year old Dc 9s and until recently 30 year old Dc 10s, I would have no problem boarding these aircraft despite their age because I know they are well looked after.
I flew on several A300-600s (mostly with LH) and can assure you it is a great aircraft and a great flying experience.
P.S. For your info
AA is not the only airline in the US that is flying them. UPS and Fedex also have a large A300-600 fleet and I believe some smaller freight airlines also have A300B2 and older (non -600)B4s. But if you are refering to passenger aircraft you are right of course.Fedex just got their last A300-600 delivered in June, came fresh from the factory in Toulouse. It can get any newer  Wink
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RE: Questions About AA's Airbus 300

Sat Aug 11, 2007 9:16 pm

Some of this has been covered previously but here are a few relevant points:

- AA''s A300's are far newer than many of their MD80 and B767 aircraft and considerably newer than other aircraft belonging to other US carriers. For example I believe that UA/NW have a few B744 that are older!.

- Having been deployed on certain domestic (even transcon) routes in the past, the A300's now fly almost exclusively on the routes and markets they serve best: High density eastern US - Caribbean and central america routes where cargo capacity is arguably more lucrative than carrying passengers.

- Main hubs for the A300 are MIA, SJU and JFK.

- They have a higher passenger capacity than any other aircraft in AA's fleet, even the B777.

- The A300 is, IMHO a far more pleasant aircraft to fly than some of the narrowbodies that would be the alternative. Admittedly some of AA' s aircraft could do with a refurb but the majority of their flights are less than 3.5 hours ( a few are longer, I know)

I would have absolutely no hesitation in flying an AA A300, to the point where it is not even a consideration that should enter anyone's thoughts. AA has some of the best maintained aircraft in the business. Give me a 20 yr old AA aircraft over a brand new B777/B737/A330 etc. on some other carriers any day!

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RE: Questions About AA's Airbus 300

Sat Aug 11, 2007 9:37 pm

You also run the risk of running late due to the many maintenance delays common to the A300. For example AA882/10AUG MIA-JFK running 14 hours late.
 
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RE: Questions About AA's Airbus 300

Sun Aug 12, 2007 2:42 am

I fly the A300 and I am no more likely to be delayed on that aircraft than any other. The truth is, it's the luck of the draw. Any aircraft can go tech. I recently flew a two day trip on four different A300s and every flight operated on time.

For clarification, AA's A300s hold either 266 or 267 passengers, depending on the bird. The 777s hold 245 pax, soon to be 247 with two add'l J-class seats. Also, AA's A300s were delivered new in 1989 and 1990. AA is the largest passenger operater of the type and has a lot of experience with it. You have nothing to worry about.
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RE: Questions About AA's Airbus 300

Sun Aug 12, 2007 3:29 am

Quoting BA787 (Reply 5):
I don't have a vast knowledge of the A300s they are probably my second favourite aircraft in the fleet, surpassed only by the MD80s.

My god. I never thought I'd read someone say that. A300 and MD80 as someone's top two favourite aircraft in the fleet. These are sadly the most outdated planes in AAs fleet. The interiors in the A300 are in absolutely decrepit conditions (admitedly it has been a couple of years since I have flown one). The so called business calss is a discusting joke. The MD80, pleeeeease (I know I'll get flamed by the MD80 nostalgics). No IFE, the WORST (by far) first class in the fleet (seats are only 20% wider than the tight Y seats), noisy as hell in the back. Overhead bins that can't even accomodate wheeled carry ons on one side and are tight all around greatly delaying boarding and causing many bags to have to be removed from the aircraft.

These are both substandard planes. And they can't be fixed. There is no solution for the overhead bins at all and it is not economical to refurbish either bird. On top of that, their fuel consumption per seat (compared to say a 738) is attrocious.

It is time to get a replacement program for them in place. 738s/783s - see you can replace both with just arranging 3 digits.
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RE: Questions About AA's Airbus 300

Sun Aug 12, 2007 4:41 am

Quoting Baron95 (Reply 10):
No IFE


No different than WN and AS 73Gs.

Quoting Baron95 (Reply 10):
the WORST (by far) first class in the fleet (seats are only 20% wider than the tight Y seats)

20% is actually quite a bit, put that into terms of money and you wouldn't balk if you got a 20% raise. Besides, the F seats on the MD-80 are only 1.5 inches narrower than the 737 and 757.

Quoting Baron95 (Reply 10):
Overhead bins that can't even accommodate wheeled carry-ons on one side

Actually, all the overhead bins can accommodate roll-a-board carry-ons. Just like all 732s, 734s, 735s, 736s, 752s, 762s, 763s, A300s, A310s, A330s, A340s, DC-10s, MD-11s, 742s, 743s and 744s. All the aforementioned aircraft can only accommodate roll-a-board suitcases sideways over the outboard seats, just like the MD-80 on aircraft left. AA has modified their MD-80s, as you kind of mentioned, to accommodate roll-a-boards wheels-first on the three seat side, increasing the aircraft's overhead bin space by 50%.

AA's MD-80s have the same interior as the 738s and 772s, complete with power ports and leather headrests. I don't love the MD-80, and I don't like how much fuel they use, but they are hardly deserve the rap you give them.

The A300s could definitely use a makeover. Having said that, however, they all have been fitted with new seat covers and carpet. The ten former three class A300s have completely new interiors, complete with LCD monitors, new first class seats and coach seats with leather headrests.
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RE: Questions About AA's Airbus 300

Sun Aug 12, 2007 4:49 am

Quoting QQflyboy (Reply 9):
I fly the A300 and I am no more likely to be delayed on that aircraft than any other.

I think they are short A300 pilots right now. Its not unusual to see A300 flights with significant delays, sometimes over 12 hours for either maint or crew rest. just ask anyone traveling to GYE and LIM.
 
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RE: Questions About AA's Airbus 300

Sun Aug 12, 2007 5:37 am

Yes...some hold C16 and Y250 and others C16 Y251.
Besides MIA/JFK/SJU, AA currently flies them to:
Orlando
Santo Domingo
Port-au-Prince
Caracas
Bogotá
Guayaquil
Managua
San José (Costa Rica)
Lima
Guatemala City
Cancun

I've seen AA drop the A300 in many other places in previous years (Chicago, LAX, Newark, Boston, London Heathrow, Panamá, Cali, Aruba, etc.)

When it comes to on time performance they are not very reliable, though.
 
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RE: Questions About AA's Airbus 300

Sun Aug 12, 2007 12:44 pm

Quoting NA747 (Reply 13):
Orlando
Santo Domingo
Port-au-Prince
Caracas
Bogotá
Guayaquil
Managua
San José (Costa Rica)
Lima
Guatemala City
Cancun

Add Santiago de los Caballeros STI to that list. SAL used to have A300 service as well.
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RE: Questions About AA's Airbus 300

Sun Aug 12, 2007 12:53 pm

I just flew on two AA AB6's today...MIA-SJU-MIA....I'll be posting a lot of pics and videos tomorrow morning.

Let me say that both flights were great....although there was a minor "hiccup" on the return. About 15 minutes out of MIA both of the airplane's cabin pressure systems failed at the same time (that's exactly what the captain told us). My head, out of nowhere, felt like it was going to explode! Oxygen masks did not come down, and the pilot managed to override it manually somehow and after a few minutes things were better.

More details to follow in the report....
 
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RE: Questions About AA's Airbus 300

Sun Aug 12, 2007 2:27 pm

Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 15):
Let me say that both flights were great....although there was a minor "hiccup" on the return. About 15 minutes out of MIA both of the airplane's cabin pressure systems failed at the same time (that's exactly what the captain told us). My head, out of nowhere, felt like it was going to explode! Oxygen masks did not come down, and the pilot managed to override it manually somehow and after a few minutes things were better.

This is why I don't like to work that plane. It always has some sort of issue. Just the other day a Crew member told me he took off from MCO and all cabin lights went out for no reason, then he had to call the cockpit to notify them of the problem which they were not aware of at all. The lights came back on ten minutes later!

The first, if not the second ever flight on an A300 with AA ended up landing in BDA on a JFK-SJU run due to fuel issues.

Also the smoke alarms in the restrooms always start chiming for no reason at all. You look for fire and nothing is known, even when ground crews check the plane after landing.

I don't know if it is AA,Airbus, or this specific model, but the plane is one big mess. She is a money maker because of her belly, if not she would have been sent along with the Fokker to other pastures. The day she is gone from AA is the day that I will pop open a bottle of champagne to celebrate!
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RE: Questions About AA's Airbus 300

Sun Aug 12, 2007 5:05 pm

Quoting Baron95 (Reply 10):
The MD80, pleeeeease (I know I'll get flamed by the MD80 nostalgics). No IFE, the WORST (by far) first class in the fleet (seats are only 20% wider than the tight Y seats), noisy as hell in the back. Overhead bins that can't even accomodate wheeled carry ons on one side and are tight all around greatly delaying boarding and causing many bags to have to be removed from the aircraft.

I actually do like the MD80 for many of the reasons you say you don't like it.

I have never had a problem getting my roll-aboard carry-ons into the wider, DEF-said overhead bins, or the AB-side bins either for that matter. I find the seats to be very comfortable, and because they have some of the newest cabin interiors in the AA fleet, I find most of them to be just fine in terms of cleanliness and modernity. I also love that it is a 2-3 cabin instead of a 3-3 cabin like on just about every other narrowbody these days. That makes it so much more enjoyable as you have a much better chance of having a window or an aisle - much fewer middle seats!

Finally, as for the First Class - perhaps I'm flying in a different MD80 than you are, but I find the MD80 First Class to be perhaps the most enjoyable narrowbody premium cabin flying experience I've ever had in terms of comfort and noise level. Because the MD80's engines are aft-mounted, it sure is loud to be sitting in the last 5 rows of Y, but man oh man, is F silent.
 
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RE: Questions About AA's Airbus 300

Sun Aug 12, 2007 7:05 pm

Quoting AA767400 (Reply 16):
I don't know if it is AA,Airbus, or this specific model, but the plane is one big mess.

Since the only complaints about A300 reliability always come from the same airline, well...
 
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RE: Questions About AA's Airbus 300

Mon Aug 13, 2007 12:11 am

I know many have said that AA doesn't really "take care" of the AB6's as they should, but I don't think that's the case. The way I see it, the flight crew would refuse to fly the plane if they thought for a second it was unsafe. I think the planes have a lot of little quirks in them because most of them have been doing the tough Central American/Caribbean duties over the past 15-18 years. The term "workhorse" is a good term for the plane. I probably saw half the AB6 fleet in MIA and SJU yesterday, and every one I saw was packed to the gills. The planes play a unique role for AA. Honestly I'd like to see them venture out to HNL some day...they have the ETOPS and the mostly coach seating already....but I know that probably won't happen. I think I have a new apreciation for the A300 when all is said and done.
 
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RE: Questions About AA's Airbus 300

Mon Aug 13, 2007 2:22 am

We hear more about AA's A300s than we do about other airlines because they are the largest passenger operator of the type and they fly far more cycles than most other A300s out there.

There is no doubt AA's A300s have quirky tech problems from time to time, even the pilots know and admit that. I've heard some theorize it might have something to do with the repeated cycles into hot and humid locations, the extreme cold temperatures aloft and then snow/rain/ice conditions upon landing in the Northeast. After years and years of these repeated cycles four, five and six times a day, things get wonky. I am not saying that is an official explanation, but one some pilots theorize.

I, as a flight attendant, love the plane. There is more room on that thing than any other, compared to how many pax it holds. On full flights the pax still have a little space to themselves and flight crew have plenty of space. It's an easy plane to work because of that, even when it's full. It is an odd aircraft, for sure, but I've come to love its little oddities and embrace it for what it is: the most unique aircraft in AA's fleet (and the US for that matter) and one of the hardest working.

FYI, This has been posted here before, but deserves mentioning again: The first A300 to leave AA's fleet will be next year (2008) and the last one will leave in 2012. They are no longer renewing leases and will return them to their lessors when the leases expire. I don't know how many we'll lose each year. This info was provided at this year's Purser Conference in May. You can bet UPS and/or FedEx will snap those birds up in no time.
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RE: Questions About AA's Airbus 300

Mon Aug 13, 2007 2:27 am

Quoting Baron95 (Reply 10):

I meant more as an aviation enthusiast and although what you say is true, I defy you not to be amazed by the noise of those MD80s and the A300 is just a favourite airplane of mine. I am not into historical a/c. but the DC9/MD80s and the early Airbuses do interest me. I'd rather ride an MD80 than the f**cked AA 757s

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RE: Questions About AA's Airbus 300

Mon Aug 13, 2007 3:12 am

Quoting Boeing743 (Thread starter):
I am surprised that Airbus 300 is still flying even it is old plane in US and AA is only airline that still flying them in US.

Fed Ex fly them. I belive you must mean as passengers airliners.  Wink
 
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RE: Questions About AA's Airbus 300

Mon Aug 13, 2007 3:51 am

Quoting QQflyboy (Reply 11):
No different than WN and AS 73Gs.



Quoting QQflyboy (Reply 11):
Besides, the F seats on the MD-80 are only 1.5 inches narrower than the 737 and 757.

Hummm. That may be true measuring seat cushion width, but the F passenger in a AA 738 has a lot more room than on an AA Dog. The 738 interior fuselage diameter is over a foot wider than the MD80. Both types have 2x2 seating in F. Do the math. I don't think you can get away from the fact that the F passaner in a Mad Dog has less space than any mainline F class passenger on other types. No matter how you spin it.

Quoting QQflyboy (Reply 11):
Actually, all the overhead bins can accommodate roll-a-board carry-ons.

Correct. I'm sorry, I meant wheels first on the x2 side (as you correctly surmized). Thanks for repplying to my comment intelligently instead of the typical A.net ("it fits").

Quoting Commavia (Reply 17):
Finally, as for the First Class - perhaps I'm flying in a different MD80 than you are, but I find the MD80 First Class to be perhaps the most enjoyable narrowbody premium cabin flying experience I've ever had

I'm sorry, but as stated above, you have less room than ANY other mainline F on other types. the 738 is actually a bit quieter (in my estimation), perhaps due to better insullation and enviromentals (e.g. air conditioning flow). Engine noise is not relevant for F on the Dog or 738. Slipstream noise is the dominant noise factor in cruise for both types. As for sitting in the back of a Dog, god help you, if you are near the engines with the fans a mere inches from your ear. Been there, no like.

Quoting BA787 (Reply 21):
I meant more as an aviation enthusiast and although what you say is true,

Fair enough. I agree. The MD80 is an interesting ride - the culmination of the DC-9 line. AA Pilots seem to be very protective of the type. I was sitting next to an AA Captain dadheading once, flying out of DCA on an ERJ, and he went on and on quoting the CAS advantge of the Dog vs the American Eagle ERJs (I believe at that time oil around $35 it was 7 cents). I also agree that we need to respect the A300 for ushering in the era of the widebody twin. So I agree, from an enthusiast's point of view, the culmination of the Douglas narrowbody and the plane that got Airbus in business are indeed milestones in aviation. So, I've flown in them more than enough, now I want to fly in more comfortable contraptions. Get rid of them AA - how about withing the next 10 years. Is that too much to ask.
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RE: Questions About AA's Airbus 300

Mon Aug 13, 2007 10:42 am

Quoting Baron95 (Reply 23):
Hummm. That may be true measuring seat cushion width, but the F passenger in a AA 738 has a lot more room than on an AA Dog.

I understand your point here, for comparison I simply went to SeatGuru.com and took the posted seat widths from there for AA's 752s, 738s and MD-80s. The 752s and 738s both measure 21" wide whereas the MD-80 measures 19.5".

I also looked at other airlines, and for further comparison, CO's 752s F-class seat is 20" wide, only .5 inches wider than AA's MD-80s.

Quoting Baron95 (Reply 23):
you have less room than ANY other mainline F on other types.

Actually, DL's MD-90s F-class seats are .2 inches narrower than AA's MD-80 F-class. I know it's the same type, essentially, but it's the point. When compared to DL's MD-90s and MD-80s and NW's DC-9s, we're talking about a signifigant number of aircraft of which to compare AA's MD-80 F-class product. It's just not as bad as you make it out to be.
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RE: Questions About AA's Airbus 300

Mon Aug 13, 2007 11:56 am

I have a question on the A300 of AA ... why is that this plane considered so good for cargo? I mean Fedex and UPS also use this. Thanks and please excuse if this has been asked already.
 
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RE: Questions About AA's Airbus 300

Mon Aug 13, 2007 1:05 pm

Quoting MiAAmi (Reply 8):
You also run the risk of running late due to the many maintenance delays common to the A300. For example AA882/10AUG MIA-JFK running 14 hours late.



Quoting QQflyboy (Reply 9):
I fly the A300 and I am no more likely to be delayed on that aircraft than any other. The truth is, it's the luck of the draw. Any aircraft can go tech. I recently flew a two day trip on four different A300s and every flight operated on time.



Quoting MiAAmi (Reply 12):
I think they are short A300 pilots right now. Its not unusual to see A300 flights with significant delays, sometimes over 12 hours for either maint or crew rest. just ask anyone traveling to GYE and LIM.

I just arrived from a flight from LIM to SFO via MIA that included a segment on the A300. I have flown this plane numerous times to LIM and I hate the darn things, but they do operate efficiently and, usually, trouble free. But I hear that when they go tech, they really go tech.

Last Monday, my wife was scheduled to be on an A300 from LIM to MIA. The flight departed from LIM on Tuesday at 11:30 p.m., and that means that the inbound flight from MIA to LIM departs at 5 p.m. Lima time. I called AA at 11 a.m. (that would be six hours before the flight left MIA) and the departure time from LIM - at 11:30 p.m. - had been pushed back to 2 a.m. I called my friend at AA and she told me that it was due to "crew legality." She then explained to me that they had had many pilots calling in sick in order to pressure AA management during negotiations, or whatever is going on. My friend went on to tell me that this is a regular occurence in LIM. Luckily, my flight was only delayed 45 minutes and I made (barely) my connection to SFO at MIA.

I hope this is helpful.

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RE: Questions About AA's Airbus 300

Mon Aug 13, 2007 3:19 pm

Quoting Planetime (Reply 25):
I have a question on the A300 of AA ... why is that this plane considered so good for cargo?

If you've ever been at an airport where the A300 was operating, and you saw it taxiing into the gate, and coming right at you, you'd immediately recognize why it is so popular with cargo operators, and why it is so valuable to AA on its cargo-intensive Latin America/Caribbean routes. The plane is incredibly W-I-D-E and "fat." It's lower cargo holds are enormous, and hold much, much more cargo than most other competing widebodies in its class.
 
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RE: Questions About AA's Airbus 300

Mon Aug 13, 2007 4:24 pm

Some points to add. The A300 is known for its powerful take-offs and the fact that it is such a novelty in the US makes it an interesting ride. AA's fleet was delivered between 1988-93, the majority are '89 models. Younger than the 762ER's and MD-82's. The ten aircraft owned have much nicer cabins.

Quoting Baron95 (Reply 10):
My god. I never thought I'd read someone say that. A300 and MD80 as someone's top two favourite aircraft in the fleet. These are sadly the most outdated planes in AAs fleet.

First of all, whether they are the most outdated types is debatable. The 762 and 752 entered service before the A306R and around the same time as the MD-82/83. Second, I agree with BA787! From an enthusiasts point of view, they are the most unique in the fleet. If the F100's were still around I'd include them too. Most of the negative points were greatly exaggerated, and flying 738's is not all that more exciting... especially when they'll be the norm for the next 15 years.

Quoting QQflyboy (Reply 20):
The first A300 to leave AA's fleet will be next year (2008) and the last one will leave in 2012. They are no longer renewing leases and will return them to their lessors when the leases expire.

What about the 10 aircraft that are owned? Any idea when they'll be sold and who may pick them up?
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RE: Questions About AA's Airbus 300

Mon Aug 13, 2007 10:16 pm

Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 28):
What about the 10 aircraft that are owned? Any idea when they'll be sold and who may pick them up?

Good question. The details were vague about the A300's exit from the fleet, other than the first to go will be next year and the last to go will be in 2012. I am sure, however, that it will take AA all of five minutes to sell those ten to either FedEx or UPS. For all we know they may have a deal in place already.
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RE: Questions About AA's Airbus 300

Mon Aug 13, 2007 10:44 pm

Quoting Planetime (Reply 25):
I have a question on the A300 of AA ... why is that this plane considered so good for cargo? I mean Fedex and UPS also use this. Thanks and please excuse if this has been asked already.

As mentioned above, the A300 is "fat". This is due to the circular cross section as opposed to the double bubble on the 767. The 767 is so narrow it has to use special smaller containers too.
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RE: Questions About AA's Airbus 300

Tue Aug 14, 2007 1:58 am

Quoting Commavia (Reply 3):
Quoting Boeing743 (Thread starter):
I am surprised that Airbus 300 is still flying even it is old plane in US and AA is only airline that still flying them in US.

In the scheme of things, compared to AA's 767-200s and many of their MD80s, the A300s are spring chickens. The oldest one is less than twenty years old. The reason they are still around, and haven't yet been replaced, is two-fold: first, they serve a very unique and specialized mission within the AA network that no other current AA airplane can accomplish (namely, ultra-high-density, ultra-high-cargo-demand U.S.-Caribbean/Latin America routes), and second, AA has yet to find a suitable replacement aircraft. Long-term, my personal opinion is that the new Boeing 787-3 will replace them, but that is still at least 5-7 years off.

It's not like A300-600R is the only type that can complete the mission AA uses them for. They do what they are intended for well, and seem to serve AA well enough, but their 763ER's could do the job just as easily if they were reconfigured for high density instead of the low density, long range config they currently have them set up for (being that the 763ERs are more valuably for their range on intercontinental flights).

Quoting Scorpio (Reply 18):
Quoting AA767400 (Reply 16):
I don't know if it is AA,Airbus, or this specific model, but the plane is one big mess.

Since the only complaints about A300 reliability always come from the same airline, well...

Well, they are the largest passenger operator of the type, i can only imagine that'd where you'd hear about delays the most. In any event, airline or aircraft, the AA A300 fleet does have a very bad reputation for delays, whether entirely earned or not.

As for their interiors, they are pretty run down, go figure though, the AA 757s are in just as crumby of shape. Then again, the MD80s, 767s and 777s are all in pretty decent shape and the 738s are very nice.

Quoting Baron95 (Reply 23):
Quoting Commavia (Reply 17):
Finally, as for the First Class - perhaps I'm flying in a different MD80 than you are, but I find the MD80 First Class to be perhaps the most enjoyable narrowbody premium cabin flying experience I've ever had

I'm sorry, but as stated above, you have less room than ANY other mainline F on other types. the 738 is actually a bit quieter (in my estimation), perhaps due to better insullation and enviromentals (e.g. air conditioning flow). Engine noise is not relevant for F on the Dog or 738. Slipstream noise is the dominant noise factor in cruise for both types. As for sitting in the back of a Dog, god help you, if you are near the engines with the fans a mere inches from your ear. Been there, no like.

I really don't think anyone will buy the argument an MD80 is in any way shape or form quieter than a 737-800. Not even comperable.
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RE: Questions About AA's Airbus 300

Tue Aug 14, 2007 2:58 am

Quoting Flydreamliner (Reply 31):
It's not like A300-600R is the only type that can complete the mission AA uses them for. They do what they are intended for well, and seem to serve AA well enough, but their 763ER's could do the job just as easily if they were reconfigured for high density instead of the low density, long range config they currently have them set up for (being that the 763ERs are more valuably for their range on intercontinental flights).

No. The cargo hold of the 300 is way larger than that of the 763 for the type of cargo hauled. The 767 requires special smaller containers. Cargo makes more money than pax.

Quoting Flydreamliner (Reply 31):
Well, they are the largest passenger operator of the type, i can only imagine that'd where you'd hear about delays the most. In any event, airline or aircraft, the AA A300 fleet does have a very bad reputation for delays, whether entirely earned or not.

Doesn't LH have more? 14 as opposed to AAs 10?

Quoting Flydreamliner (Reply 31):
I really don't think anyone will buy the argument an MD80 is in any way shape or form quieter than a 737-800. Not even comperable.

It is very much quieter except for the very back of the cabin. The inside counts.
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RE: Questions About AA's Airbus 300

Tue Aug 14, 2007 3:03 am

Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 32):
Doesn't LH have more? 14 as opposed to AAs 10?

AA has 34.

Quoting Flydreamliner (Reply 31):
Well, they are the largest passenger operator of the type, i can only imagine that'd where you'd hear about delays the most.

Yes. The most, but not all of it. Thing is, as it stands, they're pretty much the only ones we're hearing this from.
 
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RE: Questions About AA's Airbus 300

Tue Aug 14, 2007 3:09 am

Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 32):
Doesn't LH have more? 14 as opposed to AAs 10?

AA has like 35 AB6's, 10 of which are reconfigured with new interiors. I just flew on one...and they are very nice...much nicer inside that AA's 763ER.

Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 32):
It is very much quieter except for the very back of the cabin. The inside counts.

The M80 is extremely quiet in flight if you are in the front 3/4 of the plane. Only the last section is loud, but even then, not overly so.
 
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RE: Questions About AA's Airbus 300

Tue Aug 14, 2007 3:10 am

Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 32):
Doesn't LH have more? 14 as opposed to AAs 10?

AA has like 35 AB6's, 10 of which are reconfigured with new interiors. I just flew on one...and they are very nice...much nicer inside than AA's 763ER.

Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 32):
It is very much quieter except for the very back of the cabin. The inside counts.

The M80 is extremely quiet in flight if you are in the front 3/4 of the plane. Only the last section is loud, but even then, not overly so.
 
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RE: Questions About AA's Airbus 300

Tue Aug 14, 2007 3:22 am

I will never ever forget having a hard landing in MIA on an A300 and 5 overhead bins popped open. 2 Days later on my flight home, the bins were taped with SCOTCH brand whatever tape. Airplane tape. To see the flight attendant run out of his seat to push the bin back closed. It opened 2 secs later. Luckily as there was one of those SJU Duty Free bags of liquor in the overhead. Could have been a real lawsuit going there.

My advice, if you are ever on an A300 in MCO and the plane goes inop, better be prepared to wait or reroute yourself. The only trained mechanics are in MIA, SJU and JFK. Its happened to the partner 4 or 5 times. Once in MCO the pilot told the mechanics, mark the technical, and it will be addressed in MIA as he forsaw no serious concern (not 100% sure what the issue was). Needless to say the plane was taxing out and it appeared that there was a fire, and an emergency was declared. Apparently the mechanic tried to fix the issue, after arguing with Pilot. Luckily the emergency was not, and the plane went back to the gate, but this time they waited for an inbound mechanic from MIA.
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RE: Questions About AA's Airbus 300

Tue Aug 14, 2007 4:14 am

Quoting Scorpio (Reply 33):
Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 32):
Doesn't LH have more? 14 as opposed to AAs 10?

AA has 34.

Ah. I see. 10 was leased or 10 was owned. That's why I was confused.
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RE: Questions About AA's Airbus 300

Tue Aug 14, 2007 6:25 am

Quoting Scorpio (Reply 18):
Since the only complaints about A300 reliability always come from the same airline, well...

Continental had an earlier version of the 300 and they hated them, I've heard they were mx nightmares...
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RE: Questions About AA's Airbus 300

Tue Aug 14, 2007 6:37 am

Quoting QQflyboy (Reply 29):
it will take AA all of five minutes to sell those ten to either FedEx or UPS. For all we know they may have a deal in place already.

Good point. I should have considered that a given and since pax A300's are not a hot commodity right now.

Quoting Flydreamliner (Reply 31):
I really don't think anyone will buy the argument an MD80 is in any way shape or form quieter than a 737-800. Not even comperable.

Quite the contrary, I think most who have flown on both types will. Standing underneath the aircraft as it takes off and sitting in row 15 are quite different. The ladder is quieter on the MD-80.

Quoting Flydreamliner (Reply 31):
Well, they are the largest passenger operator of the type, i can only imagine that'd where you'd hear about delays the most

True, but to play devil's advocate for a minute, BA has by far the largest fleet of pax 744's, but I'm not aware of an mx nightmare reputation with them...

Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 37):
Ah. I see. 10 was leased or 10 was owned.

Ten owned, 24 leased.
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RE: Questions About AA's Airbus 300

Tue Aug 14, 2007 6:49 am

Quoting 777STL (Reply 38):
Continental had an earlier version of the 300 and they hated them, I've heard they were mx nightmares...

I heard that that was mainly due to the way maintenance was organised for the A300 by CO, as told here several times by people working for CO at the time (something to do with spare parts / mx station never being anywhere near where the planes were). Funny thing was that the planes CO operated were mostly ex-Eastern birds, and Eastern apparently absolutely loved those same planes for their reliability.
 
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RE: Questions About AA's Airbus 300

Tue Aug 14, 2007 9:09 am

I flew one SJU to JFK a year or so back. They are pretty rough, but if you are looking for an authentic '80's experience, you will find one with the AA300s. I have generally not been too happy with AA's product lately, but that is for a diff thread.
 
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RE: Questions About AA's Airbus 300

Tue Aug 14, 2007 11:45 am

If you're into steep takeoffs, the Airbus A300 is you're plane, especially if they only use slats for the takeoff (yes, often times the A300 can takeoff w/ flaps up because of the wing, the majority of the UPS A300's I see takeoff from SDF only deploy the slats behind the engines). Judging by the climb angle, they often seem to climb at probably close to 4000 ft. per minute initially, sometimes more if they're real light. Even when they're heavy, they have good takeoff performance, although they always seem to use more runway than 767's.

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AA's A300's often times may be a little worn on the inside, which is largely due to the type of passengers that generally fly the routes they're used on rather than they're age. As a previous poster mentioned, they're about 17-18 years old, younger than many 757's, 737's, 744's, 767, etc. They do have quite a bit of cycles on them since some of the routes they're used on are fairly short out of MIA and SJU; the JFK routes are all <2.5 hours. But overall, they're a unique plane to ride on, and quite fun during takeoff.
 
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RE: Questions About AA's Airbus 300

Tue Aug 14, 2007 12:06 pm

Quoting Baron95 (Reply 10):
The interiors in the A300 are in absolutely decrepit conditions (admitedly it has been a couple of years since I have flown one).

Except for the 10 former 3 class aircraft that have been extensively refitted, the rest of them are tired at best. New carpet and seat covers don't address erratic video monitors, broken trays, sagging seat back pouches, and uncomfortable seat cushions.

I'll be flying the A300 next week, and I so hope I get one of the former 3 class birds.

Quoting QQflyboy (Reply 11):
The A300s could definitely use a makeover. Having said that, however, they all have been fitted with new seat covers and carpet.

Cosmetic attempts at best. the A300's are the most ragged birds in the AA fleet. Are they safe? Sure. But I'll be upgrading if at all possible on my upcoming two A300 flights.
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