swiftski
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LON-HKG -> Many Short Segments?

Mon Aug 13, 2007 6:35 am

Hi,

I hope someone might be able to help.

We were based in WAW for a few years, and the Grandparents used to visit us 3-4 times/annum.

A relocation sent us to PVG, not long after my Grandfather had a tripple bypass after a heart attack. Since, his doctor has advised him not to take a long haul flight, so they never came to Shanghai to visit.

How we have a HKG base and are desperate for them to come over. The only way I can think of them being able to come, so as not to disobey doctors orders (neither I nor he wants that) is to do multiple short legs to get to HKG.

Does anyone know of the best way to do this? Ideally booking with one alliance would be best, to keep it simple, or through someone like Expedia, to keep in on one PNR.

I understand this may mean the trip taking a considerably longer amount of time, with overnights en route, but if I'm honest, money isn't a problem for this; we want them to come so much. 4 hour max segments would be best.

Any ideas, please drop me a line,

TIA,

Swiftski
 
theginge
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RE: LON-HKG -> Many Short Segments?

Mon Aug 13, 2007 6:50 am

I would go something like LON-ATH-DXB-BOM-BKK-HKG, although I am sure there are multiple different combinations that you could do to get from London to Hong Kong using shortish flights only.
 
Wsp
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RE: LON-HKG -> Many Short Segments?

Mon Aug 13, 2007 6:50 am

You didn't state their departure airport. Maybe you could look into one of the Asia tickets (similar to the round the world fares) that the alliances offer.
 
buckieboy
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RE: LON-HKG -> Many Short Segments?

Mon Aug 13, 2007 6:57 am

Swiftski

A possible route could be:

http://gc.kls2.com/cgi-bin/gc?PATH=l...E=best&RANGE-COLOR=navy&MAP-STYLE=


If the link doesn't work, it is:

LHR-IST-DXB-BOM-BKK-HKG

All sectors between 1700 and 3000 km, two and half to four hours flying time. Taking a more northerly route, through what was the USSR would be more difficult, in my opinion.

NB British citizens need an advance visa to visit India. Not sure of transit situation, though I wouldn't recommend hanging around BOM for any length of time, irrespective of ones health. Visas for Turkey can be bought at arrivals.

I hope this helps.

Cheers

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swiftski
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RE: LON-HKG -> Many Short Segments?

Mon Aug 13, 2007 8:05 am

Thanks all for your help so far.

Re: the departure airport, it could be any London airport (LON is the code for the London airports combined).
 
BCA2005
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RE: LON-HKG -> Many Short Segments?

Mon Aug 13, 2007 8:14 am

LHR-IST-DXB-BOM-BKK-HKG, which has already been mentioned is probably the best way to go. All you would need to do is purchase two seperate tickets, which would probably work out cheaper and easier etc. One possible itinerary that I have come up with for this routing:

Outbound
LHR - IST - DXB TK 1980 / TK 1162
(overnight in Dubai)
DXB - BOM - BKK - HKG CX 750

Inbound
HKG - BKK - BOM - DXB CX 751
(approx. 4 hours connection time in Dubai)
DXB - IST - LHR TK 1163 / 1979
 
Wsp
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RE: LON-HKG -> Many Short Segments?

Mon Aug 13, 2007 8:21 am

Quoting Buckieboy (Reply 3):
LHR-IST-DXB-BOM-BKK-HKG

Just as a side-note, the stress from going to the airport, check in etc. five times in a row might be more harmful than an extra hour in the plane.

The doctor will possibly also offer them medication (injections that you must apply yourself) to reduce the likelihood of thrombosis.
 
CitrusCritter
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RE: LON-HKG -> Many Short Segments?

Mon Aug 13, 2007 8:24 am

Quoting Wsp (Reply 6):
The doctor will possibly also offer them medication (injections that you must apply yourself) to reduce the likelihood of thrombosis.

Also, there are anti-DVT socks that have really helped me on some longer flights, and my legs normally start bothering me at the 2 hour point!
 
Philadelphia1
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RE: LON-HKG -> Many Short Segments?

Mon Aug 13, 2007 8:36 am

Try to keep the same partner airlines. They would probably be flying more than one airline. My guess is with codeshares and alliances, the prices may be kept lower
 
Analog
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RE: LON-HKG -> Many Short Segments?

Mon Aug 13, 2007 8:49 am

Quoting Wsp (Reply 6):

Just as a side-note, the stress from going to the airport, check in etc. five times in a row might be more harmful than an extra hour in the plane.

Agreed. I'm not a doctor, but taking lots of short flights instead of one long one is probably far worse (assuming that one takes the time to move around during the longer flight), and certainly goes against the spirit of not taking any "long haul flights".

I would definitely consult a doctor before doing something like this.

I would also consider what would happen if my grandfather got stuck in some strange city for two days. No family to help, no access to medical care in a familiar setting.
 
Pagophilus
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RE: LON-HKG -> Many Short Segments?

Mon Aug 13, 2007 9:13 am

How about instead of flying such a distance, LHR-SVO then take the train to Beijing, and fly PEK-HKG. It'll take a week but there will only be 2 short air segments.
 
swiftski
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RE: LON-HKG -> Many Short Segments?

Mon Aug 13, 2007 3:22 pm

Quoting Buckieboy (Reply 3):
LHR-IST-DXB-BOM-BKK-HKG

This seems the best so far; I've tried booking it online to get rough prices but can't find anywhere that will allow so many segments.

Quoting Buckieboy (Reply 3):
British citizens need an advance visa to visit India



Quoting Buckieboy (Reply 3):
Visas for Turkey can be bought at arrivals.

Thanks for the headsup; I've never been to either.

Quoting Wsp (Reply 6):
Just as a side-note, the stress from going to the airport, check in etc. five times in a row might be more harmful than an extra hour in the plane.

I'm considering that possibility too; if this goes ahead we might even make it a 3 day jobby, with long, stress "free" connections.

I'm wondering if it would be worth buying Priority Pass so they could have lounge access en route.

Quoting Philadelphia1 (Reply 8):
Try to keep the same partner airlines. They would probably be flying more than one airline. My guess is with codeshares and alliances, the prices may be kept lower

Agreed; I'm going to keep looking around as to where I may be able to book it.

Quoting Analog (Reply 9):
I would definitely consult a doctor before doing something like this.

Agreed again.

Quoting Analog (Reply 9):
I would also consider what would happen if my grandfather got stuck in some strange city for two days. No family to help, no access to medical care in a familiar setting.

Quite right; I would accompany all the way, to solve the "alone" part.
 
flytuitravel
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RE: LON-HKG -> Many Short Segments?

Mon Aug 13, 2007 4:31 pm

How about

LTN-BSL-SAW-KWI-DEL-SIN-HKG
With entirely low-fares airlines if you are on a budget


But that probably isn't a good idea - you know what low-fares carriers are like!


FLYTUITRAVEL.
 
Analog
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RE: LON-HKG -> Many Short Segments?

Tue Aug 14, 2007 12:30 am

If money isn't too much of a problem. why not consider business or first class so that your granddad can get up and move around more easily? Sitting still for >10 hours is just as bad as coach (as far as DVT), but it's a lot less stressful. He'll also have much less trouble getting up & moving around.

Quoting Swiftski (Reply 11):

Quite right; I would accompany all the way, to solve the "alone" part.

 thumbsup  Good for you!  Smile

Tell your granddad to eat at least a little before each flight and drink a lot of liquids.
Ask for a low sodium meal in advance.
Remember to ask for wheelchairs in advance at each airport (if your granddad permits it).
Consider asking his doctor about getting oxygen from the airline (ask in advance).
 
aloges
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RE: LON-HKG -> Many Short Segments?

Tue Aug 14, 2007 12:48 am

Quoting Analog (Reply 13):
why not consider business or first class so that your granddad can get up and move around more easily?

Exactly my thoughts, with those lie-flat seats in business it should be rather comfortable.

Quoting Analog (Reply 13):
Tell your granddad to eat at least a little before each flight and drink a lot of liquids.

Another  checkmark  since it's important to drink much more than the usual on a long-haul trip. That and the elderly often drink too little anyway, most unfortunately.
Don't cry because it's over, smile because it happened.
 
Knightsofmalta
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RE: LON-HKG -> Many Short Segments?

Tue Aug 14, 2007 1:29 am

No offence, I'm sure you only have the best in mind for your family, but don't you think it would be more of a risk for the old man to have to undertake such a long journey involving so many stops? I mean, if money is not the problem and you want to avoid him getting thrombosis or anything like that during or after the flight why don't you just purchase a Business Class ticket for him instead? There he can stretch his legs and has more room to go for an occasional walk about. I'm sure it would be much better for him than having to change planes so many times. And if you shop around, you'll find that there are some competitive C-class fare around for LON-HKG.

Otherwise, doing it with only one stop would also do the trick, e. g. LON-DXB-HKG or something like that. But LON-IST-DXB-BOM-BKK-HKG is ridiculous. First of all, with so many connections chances are rather high that he will end up missing one of the flights, secondly, would you want to overnight in BOM airport?
 
MAS777
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RE: LON-HKG -> Many Short Segments?

Tue Aug 14, 2007 4:00 am

In my opinion - he should NOT be travelling that distance by any route - multiple short hauls or single long haul - until he is fit enough to travel.

Maybe you should consider visiting HIM instead for the time being.

A common mistake is also paying to sit in Business or First Class to avoid DVTs in flight - the term Economy Class syndrome was hence removed as there is NO decrease in risk of suffering a VTE (venous thromboembolism) by sitting in a larger seat on any given long-haul flight. The supply of oxygen is also not validated in decreasing this risk.

Just my opinion but then again best to discuss with his doctor as they will be able to help decide if he is clinically well enough to travel.
 
Analog
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RE: LON-HKG -> Many Short Segments?

Tue Aug 14, 2007 4:09 am

Quoting Knightsofmalta (Reply 15):
I mean, if money is not the problem and you want to avoid him getting thrombosis or anything like that during or after the flight why don't you just purchase a Business Class ticket for him instead?

I thought (but don't know) that taking C vs. Y changed very little in regards to the chances of getting DVT. What matters is how much, or how little, you move around. The reason that C might be better is that moving around is easier.