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DL To Announce SLC-CDG On 8/13

Mon Aug 13, 2007 8:49 am

I've been told at work that the DL big dogs are coming up to SLC tomorrow to make an official SLC-CDG announcement, supposedly to begin on June 1 next year with 763ERs. Just a heads up to keep an eye on the Delta Newsroom tomorrow.
 
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RE: DL To Announce SLC-CDG On 8/13

Mon Aug 13, 2007 8:51 am

My credit card is out and ready to book seats on the inaugural flight.  Big grin
 
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RE: DL To Announce SLC-CDG On 8/13

Mon Aug 13, 2007 10:15 am

Will it be a nonstop SLC-CDG?
Not a SLC-JFK-CDG or SLC-ATL-CDG using the same flight number? in 763ER all the way?
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RE: DL To Announce SLC-CDG On 8/13

Mon Aug 13, 2007 10:25 am

Nonstop, SLC-CDG, about 10 hours flight time. No going through ATL or JFK. 763ER with BusinessElite from SLC-CDG, the first scheduled nonstop route to Europe in SLC's history.
 
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RE: DL To Announce SLC-CDG On 8/13

Mon Aug 13, 2007 11:56 pm

Quoting Delta7004 (Thread starter):
I've been told at work that the DL big dogs are coming up to SLC tomorrow to make an official SLC-CDG announcement, supposedly to begin on June 1 next year with 763ERs. Just a heads up to keep an eye on the Delta Newsroom tomorrow.

I've got it bookmarked and ready. Also it pays to take a look at the SLC media sites; KSL.com, SLTrib.com, Desnews.com etc...
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RE: DL To Announce SLC-CDG On 8/13

Tue Aug 14, 2007 3:23 am

Its going to be interesting to see if SLC-CDG becomes a reality....one of our DL experts said weeks ago that August 13 would be the announcement date if DL was to launch the flight and, again, we hear that date, so something is up. We have had many discussions concerning the ""pros and cons"" of this proposed service, lets see what happens.
 
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RE: DL To Announce SLC-CDG On 8/13

Tue Aug 14, 2007 5:06 am

Word is that the SLC-CDG announcement will be made after there is some resolution to the mine accident south of Salt Lake City. Hoping and praying for a safe return home for the miners.
 
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RE: DL To Announce SLC-CDG On 8/13

Tue Aug 14, 2007 6:29 am

what about the runway-based restrictions affecting summer service? As I understood it, the 763 will be unable to operate fully loaded out of SLC in 90+ degree weather at 4500 feet ASL. SLC was planning an extension of 34R/16L, is that still in the works? Will the flight be weight-restricted?
 
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RE: DL To Announce SLC-CDG On 8/13

Tue Aug 14, 2007 7:08 am

Will it be daily service?

if so would it mean a 2 a/c rotation?

from where is DL freeing 2 763's for this one?
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RE: DL To Announce SLC-CDG On 8/13

Tue Aug 14, 2007 7:50 am

Quoting Boslax (Reply 6):
Word is that the SLC-CDG announcement will be made after there is some resolution to the mine accident south of Salt Lake City. Hoping and praying for a safe return home for the miners.

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RE: DL To Announce SLC-CDG On 8/13

Tue Aug 14, 2007 9:39 am

Quote:
Word is that the SLC-CDG announcement will be made after there is some resolution to the mine accident south of Salt Lake City. Hoping and praying for a safe return home for the miners.

That's what I heard today too. Postponed until the end of this week/beginning of next.

Quote:
what about the runway-based restrictions affecting summer service? As I understood it, the 763 will be unable to operate fully loaded out of SLC in 90+ degree weather at 4500 feet ASL. SLC was planning an extension of 34R/16L, is that still in the works? Will the flight be weight-restricted?

That's where DL would probably have to schedule the outbound leg either in the morning, or more probably, in the late evening (like 10-11 PM), unless the runways are lengthened by the time the flights start.

Quote:
Will it be daily service?

if so would it mean a 2 a/c rotation?

from where is DL freeing 2 763's for this one?

Well, my guess is probably daily (but we won't know for sure until the official announcement). I wouldn't be surprised to see rotations like JFK-CDG-SLC-CDG-CVG because I doubt they would operate the aircraft domestically from JFK/ATL-SLC and they would need to rotate the planes around other routes somehow, which may work out to possibly just one aircraft extra in the rotation. Since ATL-EDI is going away soon, that 767 will probably find it's way over to SLC-CDG rotations.
 
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RE: DL To Announce SLC-CDG On 8/13

Tue Aug 14, 2007 10:00 am

wha wha wha!!!!???!! Well isn't this great news. Can't wait to cash in some miles... Hopefully there will be lots of availability when the first announce it. I'm very curious to see how the 763 will rotate, or if it will go JFK-CDG-SLC-CDG-JFK or something like that. I'd love to see it added on from ATL, or JFK (gosh i miss those 763ER flights from JFK-SLC), but like others have said, this will probably not happen.
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RE: DL To Announce SLC-CDG On 8/13

Tue Aug 14, 2007 11:33 am

Quoting Delta7004 (Reply 10):
That's where DL would probably have to schedule the outbound leg either in the morning, or more probably, in the late evening (like 10-11 PM), unless the runways are lengthened by the time the flights start.

I dunno about that. If the flight left in the morning, it would get into CDG around 4 or 5 am - not ideal. And if it left that late at night, it would get into CDG very late - which would hurt connections (the very connections this flight would be designed to feed). Plus, it will need to be timed to meet the various banks in SLC.
 
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RE: DL To Announce SLC-CDG On 8/13

Tue Aug 14, 2007 12:28 pm

Quoting UPPERDECKFAN (Reply 8):
if so would it mean a 2 a/c rotation?

from where is DL freeing 2 763's for this one?

Guys, the same aircraft that flies SLC-CDG doesn't have to fly back to SLC... it can be used for one of the shorter trans-Atlantic runs like JFK or CVG. So you could take on this route with one aircraft.

Several routes currently flown with the 767-300 can eventually be turned over to the ex-TW 757s.
 
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RE: DL To Announce SLC-CDG On 8/13

Tue Aug 14, 2007 1:20 pm

Quoting MastaHanky (Reply 1):
My credit card is out and ready to book seats on the inaugural flight

As is mine. Hopefully, I'll be able to get some time off then to do this!
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RE: DL To Announce SLC-CDG On 8/13

Tue Aug 14, 2007 4:03 pm

Quoting UPPERDECKFAN (Reply 8):
from where is DL freeing 2 763's for this one?

Lots of places...not only will the ex-TW 752s replace some existing 763 routes, plus 5 more 764s will be reconfigured for international by next summer, thus freeing up some more 763ERs....
 
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RE: DL To Announce SLC-CDG On 8/13

Tue Aug 14, 2007 9:02 pm

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Lots of places...not only will the ex-TW 752s replace some existing 763 routes, plus 5 more 764s will be reconfigured for international by next summer, thus freeing up some more 763ERs....

Not necessarily, they will be based out of JFK and SLC only, probably for new (or resurrecting) markets like SLC-KOA, JFK-Belfast, JFK-Birmingham, JFK-Keflavik, JFK-Oslo, etc.

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I dunno about that. If the flight left in the morning, it would get into CDG around 4 or 5 am - not ideal. And if it left that late at night, it would get into CDG very late - which would hurt connections (the very connections this flight would be designed to feed). Plus, it will need to be timed to meet the various banks in SLC.

True, but it's hard to say which DL would rather compromise, weight or time. Let's hope SLC decides to lengthen at least one of the runways another 3,000 ft.
 
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RE: DL To Announce SLC-CDG On 8/13

Tue Aug 14, 2007 10:10 pm

Quoting Delta7004 (Reply 16):
Let's hope SLC decides to lengthen at least one of the runways another 3,000 ft.

That is something that would take a couple of years even if they decided today to do it.
 
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RE: DL To Announce SLC-CDG On 8/13

Tue Aug 14, 2007 11:01 pm

Quoting Delta7004 (Reply 16):
they will be based out of JFK and SLC only, probably for new (or resurrecting) markets like SLC-KOA,

That one will probably go LAX-KOA. SLC-OGG will likely go to a 752 when they acheive the 180 ETOPs required for mainland-Hawaii service.

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RE: DL To Announce SLC-CDG On 8/13

Tue Aug 14, 2007 11:06 pm

Hi,

Any idea if AF will codeshare the flight, providing this rumor turns to be true?
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RE: DL To Announce SLC-CDG On 8/13

Wed Aug 15, 2007 2:15 am

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 18):
when they acheive the 180 ETOPs required for mainland-Hawaii service.

...which might not take much/any time at all; considering that DL is one of the most ETOPS-experienced airlines out there, and Boeing's come up with some rather crackerjack methods of ushering along the certification process for newly-acquired airframes as well.
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RE: DL To Announce SLC-CDG On 8/13

Wed Aug 15, 2007 2:38 am

Quoting WCS (Reply 19):
Any idea if AF will codeshare the flight, providing this rumor turns to be true?

Should be a given....AF and DL codeshare on almost all of each other's USA-France flights (only exception I believe is DTW-CDG where AF and NW codeshare instead).
 
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RE: DL To Announce SLC-CDG On 8/13

Wed Aug 15, 2007 2:39 am

Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 20):
...which might not take much/any time at all; considering that DL is one of the most ETOPS-experienced airlines out there, and Boeing's come up with some rather crackerjack methods of ushering along the certification process for newly-acquired airframes as well.

Many still think the entire fleet of ex-TWA/AA 752's will go to Europe first. But more than likely some of them will make it over to SLC/LAX-Hawaii service over the next year or two as they come on line. Keep in mind that AA uses 752s (RR powered) to get to Hawaii from LAX and NW uses their 753s from SEA to the outer islands (OGG/KOA).
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RE: DL To Announce SLC-CDG On 8/13

Wed Aug 15, 2007 3:35 am

Quoting WCS (Reply 19):
Any idea if AF will codeshare the flight, providing this rumor turns to be true?

Without a doubt. The flight will have a very high liklihood of decent loads given the connection opportunities at both ends.
 
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RE: DL To Announce SLC-CDG On 8/13

Wed Aug 15, 2007 3:53 am

Having the flight leave in the late pm (10-11) would be both impractical (for reasons already stated dealing with connections), and wouldn't help the runway cause. Often, temps at those hours are hovering in the low 90s. SLC is an oven in the summer (and an ice box in the winter). Morning lows are typically in the mid-70s only July and August.
 
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RE: DL To Announce SLC-CDG On 8/13

Sun Aug 19, 2007 2:23 am

The rumors are getting stronger ... and the Salt Lake Tribune is pretty reliable...

http://www.sltrib.com/ci_6654928
 
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RE: DL To Announce SLC-CDG On 8/13

Sun Aug 19, 2007 2:53 am

Quoting MastaHanky (Reply 25):
The rumors are getting stronger ... and the Salt Lake Tribune is pretty reliable...

http://www.sltrib.com/ci_6654928

All the grants added together work out around $1.5m, how much does a new route start up cost an airline?
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RE: DL To Announce SLC-CDG On 8/13

Sun Aug 19, 2007 3:15 am

Quoting BlrBird (Reply 26):
how much does a new route start up cost an airline?

WEll for a major it;'s very expensive if the city is not yet served. if it is already served, then the majority of the investment is in the marketing.

And for Allegient Air it costs about $7.50 to start a new route (one person for one hour at minimum wage to open a few fedex boxes and hang a sign  Wink)
 
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RE: DL To Announce SLC-CDG On 8/13

Sun Aug 19, 2007 9:47 am

Quote:
The rumors are getting stronger ... and the Salt Lake Tribune is pretty reliable...

http://www.sltrib.com/ci_6654928

Was about to post that too. It's not rumor at this point, it's gonna happen, just a matter of an announcement date now.
 
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RE: DL To Announce SLC-CDG On 8/13

Sun Aug 19, 2007 9:50 am

Quoting Delta7004 (Reply 28):
Was about to post that too. It's not rumor at this point, it's gonna happen, just a matter of an announcement date now

I have heard the same date announcement was to be on the 13 August, however traditionally arent new TATL routes for the upcoming year announced in the Fall?

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RE: DL To Announce SLC-CDG On 8/13

Sun Aug 19, 2007 9:57 am

Quoting FLYGUY767 (Reply 29):
I have heard the same date announcement was to be on the 13 August, however traditionally arent new TATL routes for the upcoming year announced in the Fall?

Sometimes, for spin purposes, the announcement dates are made very early.......CO announced its new CLE-CDG service (for Summer 2008) over a year in advance of the start date, for example. There are no rules, and there really is no method to the madness. I assume that if SLC-CDG is launched, it would commence around June 1, 2008.
 
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RE: DL To Announce SLC-CDG On 8/13

Sun Aug 19, 2007 10:05 am

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 30):
Sometimes, for spin purposes, the announcement dates are made very early.......CO announced its new CLE-CDG service (for Summer 2008) over a year in advance of the start date, for example. There are no rules, and there really is no method to the madness. I assume that if SLC-CDG is launched, it would commence around June 1, 2008.

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RE: DL To Announce SLC-CDG On 8/13

Sun Aug 19, 2007 11:31 pm

The general rule is 6 months out for international, 3 months for domestic.

As said, sometimes is more to generate more publicity or allow for more advance bookings.
They try to not go too far out for competitive reasons, but in this case its not like they have to worry about that on this route.
 
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RE: DL To Announce SLC-CDG On 8/13

Mon Aug 20, 2007 5:11 am

There will be a raft of new DL service announcements SOON!

DL knows SLC badly wants European service; DL is smart enough to ask SLC to put something on the table to help make it worth their while. In reality, SLC-CDG will work whether Utah helped out or not. Utah and SLC are putting money on the table to make sure that DL starts the route instead of many other options DL has right now.
 
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RE: DL To Announce SLC-CDG On 8/13

Mon Aug 20, 2007 5:21 am

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 22):
Many still think the entire fleet of ex-TWA/AA 752's will go to Europe first. But more than likely some of them will make it over to SLC/LAX-Hawaii service over the next year or two as they come on line. Keep in mind that AA uses 752s (RR powered) to get to Hawaii from LAX and NW uses their 753s from SEA to the outer islands (OGG/KOA).

no DL will be putting Biz class on all of them.....DL has said all 10(and maybe 3 more) will fly from JFK and they will do some JFK-ATL turns for MX
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RE: DL To Announce SLC-CDG On 8/13

Mon Aug 20, 2007 6:57 am

Quoting Delta7004 (Reply 28):
Was about to post that too. It's not rumor at this point, it's gonna happen, just a matter of an announcement date now.

Even the more conservative Deseret News has wind of this one: http://deseretnews.com/article/1,5143,695201835,00.html
Quite interestingly this article points out that SLC beat 14 other cities with larger Paris potential:

Quoting Brice Wallace, Deseret Morning News:
Board documents indicate that Delta tabbed Salt Lake over 14 other U.S. cities with larger market potential for the Paris flights.
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RE: DL To Announce SLC-CDG On 8/13

Mon Aug 20, 2007 7:04 am

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 35):
Even the more conservative Deseret News has wind of this one: http://deseretnews.com/article/1,5143,695201835,00.html
Quite interestingly this article points out that SLC beat 14 other cities with larger Paris potential:

Gotta wonder what that number is based on. Sure can't be 14 larger cities that currently don't have any CDG flights, as I strongly doubt they'd even find half that number of cities bigger than SLC. And 14 cities that DL doesn't yet serve from CDG? Wouldn't make much sense either, as I doubt DL would even consider stuff like SFO/MIA-CDG.
 
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RE: DL To Announce SLC-CDG On 8/13

Mon Aug 20, 2007 8:02 am

Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 33):
There will be a raft of new DL service announcements SOON!

Correct! DL normally announces International spring expansion in October. Expect an announcement sometime mid October regarding where the 757ETOPS will fly as well as any 767-300ERs freed up by 757ETOPS on established routes and the 5 additional converted 767-400s. The 757s total 13 as 3 are being leased from Pegasus Aviation, I believe. This brings a total of 18 available aircraft (13 757ETOPS and 5 767-400) for international routes for next summer.
 
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RE: DL To Announce SLC-CDG On 8/13

Mon Aug 20, 2007 8:36 am

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 36):
Gotta wonder what that number is based on. Sure can't be 14 larger cities that currently don't have any CDG flights, as I strongly doubt they'd even find half that number of cities bigger than SLC. And 14 cities that DL doesn't yet serve from CDG? Wouldn't make much sense either, as I doubt DL would even consider stuff like SFO/MIA-CDG.

That is an odd number.......and why would DL pass skip over 14 ""better opportunities"" and launch SLC-CDG? Of course, the only reason why DL may launch SLC-CDG is because it will connect two SkyTeam hubs and because DL has a large hub operation at SLC that can feed the flight. Very odd comment....I dont get it.

Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 33):
In reality, SLC-CDG will work whether Utah helped out or not

I have my doubts with this one......no doubt DL can keep the airplanes filled to capacity but I am concerned with yields; if DL needs to attract lots of pax travelling between LAX, LAS, SFO, SEA, etc and CDG or beyond to keep the airplane filled, it will kill yields. Utah will help, and that is a critical element in DL's decision to go forward with this route.

Quoting MCOAviationFan (Reply 37):
The 757s total 13 as 3 are being leased from Pegasus Aviation

Can anyone confirm that DL has finalized the deal for the additional three 752s? This has been discussed for so long......and from what I have heard its not yet definite.
 
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RE: DL To Announce SLC-CDG On 8/13

Mon Aug 20, 2007 8:46 am

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 38):
Quoting MCOAviationFan (Reply 37):
The 757s total 13 as 3 are being leased from Pegasus Aviation

Can anyone confirm that DL has finalized the deal for the additional three 752s? This has been discussed for so long......and from what I have heard its not yet definite.

Dutchjet, I cannot provide a link or printed confirmation, but according to my contacts which have been 100% reliable in the past, the number is indeed 13. I am not sure who the lessor is for the additional 3 aircraft for sure, but if I recall correctly, it is Pegasus Aviation.
 
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RE: DL To Announce SLC-CDG On 8/13

Mon Aug 20, 2007 8:47 am

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 38):
I have my doubts with this one......

you are free to doubt... but DL is the one that is putting their resources at risk and they do know what they are doing. It will do very well.
 
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RE: DL To Announce SLC-CDG On 8/13

Mon Aug 20, 2007 11:25 am

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 36):
Gotta wonder what that number is based on. Sure can't be 14 larger cities that currently don't have any CDG flights, as I strongly doubt they'd even find half that number of cities bigger than SLC. And 14 cities that DL doesn't yet serve from CDG? Wouldn't make much sense either, as I doubt DL would even consider stuff like SFO/MIA-CDG.

Keep in mind that communities like PIT which have lost any and all trans-Atlantic service are playing this economic subsidy card hard to carriers like DL since they want this prestige back more than anything. That said, I highly doubt PIT could do very well for DL since DL has no connectivity there beyond JFK, ATL, CVG and now SLC.

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 38):
Utah will help, and that is a critical element in DL's decision to go forward with this route.

Keep in mind that SLC is now perhaps the busiest U.S. airport without trans-Atlantic service of any kind. If this one works to the level I think it just might, I can't rule out LGW and FRA in the next few years from SLC.
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RE: DL To Announce SLC-CDG On 8/13

Mon Aug 20, 2007 11:47 am

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 41):
Keep in mind that communities like PIT which have lost any and all trans-Atlantic service are playing this economic subsidy card hard to carriers like DL since they want this prestige back more than anything.

PIT approached NW to discuss PIT-AMS 752 service. One can assume that NW would want an enormous incentive package to make such a route work.

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 41):
Keep in mind that SLC is now perhaps the busiest U.S. airport without trans-Atlantic service of any kind. If this one works to the level I think it just might, I can't rule out LGW and FRA in the next few years from SLC.

MEM-AMS has worked very well for NW, and SLC-CDG is very similar in nature. A route that suceeds while otherwise one that could not stand alone without the feed on either end. Don't get carried away yet with LGW & FRA. This route has even been OFFICIALLY announced yet and will need to prove itself. Let alone that DL has bigger fish to fry that SLC TATL flights. Don't forget that DL thread that was going around last week that something like 35-40 new long haul routes that people were tossing around that DL was going to fly in the not so distant future.
 
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RE: DL To Announce SLC-CDG On 8/13

Tue Aug 21, 2007 1:05 am

Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 40):
you are free to doubt...

Thanks, I did not realize that I needed your permission.

Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 40):
but DL is the one that is putting their resources at risk and they do know what they are doing

Where did I say that Delta did not know what it was doing....it MAY launch a new route from SLC-CDG (and it has not been announced yet) and DL hopes that the route works out....it may work and it may not, as you very well know, not every route launched is a success and many routes are attempted and then withdrawn based upon their performance (or lack thereof). And, sometimes, even with the best marketing research and data in the world, things dont work out as expected: who would have thought that a route like ATL-PCE would not work? And who would have thought that ATL-TLV would be a huge huge success? Utah will probably give DL incentives that will minimize DL's risk during the start up period (and help DL promote the new service) and, after the initial months of operation, DL will make a decision concerning the SLC-CDG route and whether there is real money to be made with the service. AF will also have a vote concerning SLC-CDG. Thats the way it works....and I know that you understand all of this.

Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 40):
It will do very well.

And how can you be so sure of this? I really would like to know: Will it do as well as, say, FLL-SDQ, ATL-EDI, JFK-PIS or ATL-Eleuthra? It is so tiresome.....your blind enthusiasm for DL makes it impossible to have any type of objective discussion concerning anything that DL does or attempts. SLC-CDG may be a success, it may not....I have no doubts that the airplanes will go out with good loads (I said that above), the question is the yields generated by the flight and what market segments will be attracted to the new service. If DL fills the airplane with a good mix of O&D and connecting pax paying reasonable fares in Y and can keep the J class cabin seats filled with full fare pax (as it so successfully does with its ATL-Europe services which rely heavily on connecting pax), DL will have a success; if DL must resort to filling the flight with lots of pax travelling between LAX or SFO and CDG looking only for bargain fares and therefore dont mind a detour to SLC, the flight will not succeed.

Also keep in mind that SLC-CDG is a long route, a route that requires more than one 763ER to operate on a daily basis (I guess that DL will fly one airplane ATL-SLC-CDG and the second airplane CDG-SLC-ATL......or something like that)...flying this route will be a big financial commitment for DL and the numbers must work out; otherwise, as they say, there will be better opportunities elsewhere for DL to pursue. That is why I have my ""doubts"" concerning the service....NOT because I dont wish DL or because I have something against SLC.

And, before you try to spin this into an anti-DL remark - DONT. DL may try a new and innovative route here and I give them a lot of credit for their ""outside-of-the-box"" thinking, its interesting and exciting, but that does not mean that every new route will work and become successful. That is nothing against Delta, its simply the way it is (all the major airlines worldwide have added and cut routes and lived to tell about it), and DL will run into trouble here and there on its path to worldwide expansion. DL is trying to re-invent itself and its interesting to discuss....why is any remark concerning DL other than ""DL is wonderful and the best airline in the whole wide world"" met with criticism or dismissal by the DL support group?
 
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RE: DL To Announce SLC-CDG On 8/13

Tue Aug 21, 2007 1:55 am

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 43):
if DL must resort to filling the flight with lots of pax travelling between LAX or SFO and CDG looking only for bargain fares and therefore dont mind a detour to SLC, the flight will not succeed.

Totally Agree..  thumbsup 

Most Angelenos and San Franciscans that I know want nonstop service, as both are mixed markets with both business and leisure demand. Even people in the South and East Bays help to support the daily Air France flight to Paris. San Francisco offers 1x daily to Paris on Air France, and Los Angeles up to 3x daily to Paris on Air France, and 1x additional operated by Air Tahiti Nui. The other thing in regards to the Los Angeles and Bay Area markets are that both markets are much heavier on the United Airlines and American Airlines Frequent Flyer side than Delta Air Lines. Remember Delta Air Lines retrenched away from the LAX market for the past few years and has only recently shown a renewed interest in the market. The majority of that service has come with Express Jet flying, and in a number of other cases the flights are either seasonal or less than 3x per week. In the interim United Airlines has added a number of routes to Los Angeles and is also applying for additional service to China from Los Angeles. American Airlines also has added seasonal frequencies to Heathrow and increased its Trans-Con presence in the Los Angeles market.

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 43):
DL is trying to re-invent itself and its interesting to discuss....why is any remark concerning DL other than ""DL is wonderful and the best airline in the whole wide world"" met with criticism or dismissal by the DL support group?

Totally Agree..  thumbsup 

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Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 43):
SLC-CDG may be a success, it may not....I have no doubts that the airplanes will go out with good loads (I said that above), the question is the yields generated by the flight and what market segments will be attracted to the new service.

What I question about the route is that while I am sure the route would do rather well in summer time, I have a felling that the winter time the route will suffer greatly if it is continued on a more than 4x per week basis. United Airlines, American Airlines, and TWA all tried the West Coast to Paris market and those flights all proved unsuccessful. Even United Airlines with all of its feed at Los Angeles and San Francisco were unable to sustain the flights to a profitable margin. I think there is a niche for this service, but not as a daily year round operation. Salt Lake City is not Las Vegas, Los Angeles, Phoenix, or San Francisco. The market would have to be created for the demand to be induced on a year round basis. Even with all of the connecting flights to SLC I would think Delta would find it difficult to lure away the loyal Air France flyers from the Northern California, Southern California, and Washington markets.

Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 33):
DL knows SLC badly wants European service

Wanting service badly and sustaining service to a profitable margin are two different things..

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 41):
Keep in mind that SLC is now perhaps the busiest U.S. airport without trans-Atlantic service of any kind.

Actually the busiest US airport without TATL service is LGA which had 26,000,000 passengers in 2006, while Salt Lake City only had 21,500,000 passengers in 2006. Just because an airport handles so many passengers does not mean or warrant TATL service. What are the businesses in the Salt Lake City market that could support this route? What corporate accounts can Delta Air Lines tap into in the Salt Lake City that have a demand for O&D in the SLC-CDG market?

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RE: DL To Announce SLC-CDG On 8/13

Tue Aug 21, 2007 2:01 am

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 43):
JFK-PIS

What's PIS?
 
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RE: DL To Announce SLC-CDG On 8/13

Tue Aug 21, 2007 2:27 am

Quoting Panamair (Reply 45):
What's PIS?

Pisa....which is PSA...sorry, that wasnt very elegant, was it?
 
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RE: DL To Announce SLC-CDG On 8/13

Tue Aug 21, 2007 2:31 am

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 46):
Pisa....which is PSA...sorry, that wasnt very elegant, was it?

No, but what's wrong with JFK-Pisa?
 
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RE: DL To Announce SLC-CDG On 8/13

Tue Aug 21, 2007 2:37 am

Quoting Panamair (Reply 47):

No, but what's wrong with JFK-Pisa?

I heard from a credible source (which I cannot disclose, sorry) that the route is not meeting its targets. Nothing more, nothing less.
 
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RE: DL To Announce SLC-CDG On 8/13

Tue Aug 21, 2007 2:42 am

Quoting FLYGUY767 (Reply 44):
Actually the busiest US airport without TATL service is LGA which had 26,000,000 passengers in 2006, while Salt Lake City only had 21,500,000 passengers in 2006. Just because an airport handles so many passengers does not mean or warrant TATL service. What are the businesses in the Salt Lake City market that could support this route? What corporate accounts can Delta Air Lines tap into in the Salt Lake City that have a demand for O&D in the SLC-CDG market?

Keep in mind that NYC customers can get TATL service from nearby EWR on CO or JFK on DL given that LGA is a slot/perimeter controlled airport. MDW has roughly 18 million passengers annually and they likewise have no TATL service (similarly for DCA). I was merely pointing out that SLC is a long way from anyone else who offers TATL service for the volume a passengers they serve annually (keep in mind that of those 21.5 million during 2006, roughly 11 million were O&D from the Wasatch Front). Read the Deseret Morning News article from the link I posted, and you'll notice that the outdoor retailers and ski industry are all pointing to increased demand for TATL service to/from SLC. While I'm not sure CDG is the best option for SLC (LGW would offer service to a higher level of O&D between the city pairs), given it's SkyTeam hub status, it probably is for DL. I think like many a.netters, you look at the way the U.S. Census Bureau has put together MSW figures and grossly underestimate the size and economic vitality of the population SLC serves.
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