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Real 787 Cockpit Pics.

Mon Aug 13, 2007 4:50 pm

P1 in A330, A340, A346, B742, B744, B748.
 
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RE: Real 787 Cockpit Pics.

Tue Aug 14, 2007 12:12 am

Looks ok. I prefer the 777 & 737NG cockpit though! The 787 cockpit looks like what you'd expect in a space craft, and in my opinion it just looks odd.
 
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RE: Real 787 Cockpit Pics.

Tue Aug 14, 2007 12:17 am

Quoting RichM (Reply 1):
and in my opinion it just looks odd.

Not uncommon to feel that way when things change drastically. Also not uncommon is something like this looking totally normal years from now and what we think looks good now will be percieved as dated.
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RE: Real 787 Cockpit Pics.

Tue Aug 14, 2007 12:31 am

http://news.com.com/2300-11397_3-6186726-8.html?tag=ne.gall.pg

You can tell some long hours are being invested in the project - that guy at the controls looks like he's been up way way past bedtime three days ago.

Fun fun fun...
 
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RE: Real 787 Cockpit Pics.

Tue Aug 14, 2007 1:02 am





I love it, it is clean, uncluttered and the displayes are HUGE. I also love the HUD's. I could never understand how HUD's became pretty much the standard for military applications, yet not so for civil applications.
 
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RE: Real 787 Cockpit Pics.

Tue Aug 14, 2007 1:07 am

I think it looks absolutely cool! Would love to fly that thing... Oh well... will have to collect some more Jet hours first.
 
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RE: Real 787 Cockpit Pics.

Tue Aug 14, 2007 2:04 am

Now thats what I call a Volvo cockpit or very luxurious. It looks very cozy. Do the seats come equipped with heaters?

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RE: Real 787 Cockpit Pics.

Tue Aug 14, 2007 2:06 am

Quoting RichM (Reply 1):
The 787 cockpit looks like what you'd expect in a space craft

Or a G550.


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RE: Real 787 Cockpit Pics.

Tue Aug 14, 2007 2:08 am

More important than looks, it looks to be very functional and user friendly for the pilots. Can't wait to see it in service!!
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RE: Real 787 Cockpit Pics.

Tue Aug 14, 2007 2:13 am

I'm just glad they went with gray instead of that abhorrent brown. This looks much better then the 777 cockpit for example.

Looking good!
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RE: Real 787 Cockpit Pics.

Tue Aug 14, 2007 2:18 am

Quoting Khobar (Reply 3):
You can tell some long hours are being invested in the project - that guy at the controls looks like he's been up way way past bedtime three days ago.

Nah, that's just how the chicks dig the hair these days. "I'm a slacker who just rolled out of bed and didn't bother to shower. Aren't I hot?"
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RE: Real 787 Cockpit Pics.

Tue Aug 14, 2007 2:26 am

Where are the steam-driven back-up instruments?
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RE: Real 787 Cockpit Pics.

Tue Aug 14, 2007 2:39 am

Quoting Skibum9 (Reply 11):
Where are the steam-driven back-up instruments?
The same place they are on a lot the other newer planes....long gone. Most planes have mini PFDs installed to replace the old mechanical airspeed, attitude indicators and altimeter. Also there is a flight director so there is no need for a nav aid backup.

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RE: Real 787 Cockpit Pics.

Tue Aug 14, 2007 2:40 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 10):
Aren't I hot?"

Yes with the GENX on your wing and in Continental Colors.

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RE: Real 787 Cockpit Pics.

Tue Aug 14, 2007 2:42 am

Quoting AirTranTUS (Reply 7):
Or a G550.

And, to a somewhat lesser extent, the EASy system from Dassault:

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RE: Real 787 Cockpit Pics.

Tue Aug 14, 2007 2:44 am

Quoting BCAInfoSys (Reply 9):
I'm just glad they went with gray instead of that abhorrent brown. This looks much better then the 777 cockpit for example.

That awful brown used to remind me of the ancient WWII era (or so it felt) steel desk I used to sit at in a converted warehouse when i first signed on as an engineer at Boeing - when desks were organized in long rows and our physical address was expressed as a column number. It always struck me how similar a Boeing flightdeck felt to the engineering office spaces. At least the flightdeck computers weren't powered by extension cords hanging down from the ceilings.
 
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RE: Real 787 Cockpit Pics.

Tue Aug 14, 2007 2:46 am

Quoting CruzinAltitude (Reply 4):
I also love the HUD's. I could never understand how HUD's became pretty much the standard for military applications, yet not so for civil applications.

It's a cost thing. HUDs cost money and are normally not needed in commercial ops. Many military pilots need to keep the target and flight data in view at the same time, for example in combat. Civilian pilots have time to look down. The HUD helps of course.

Nowadays, the price of a HUD has come down to the point that this previous nice to have is becoming standard.
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RE: Real 787 Cockpit Pics.

Tue Aug 14, 2007 3:02 am

It looks fantastic, simplistic and futuristic......but does it have somewhere to plug in your charger for a mobile phone?  cheeky 
 
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RE: Real 787 Cockpit Pics.

Tue Aug 14, 2007 3:09 am

Quoting UAL777UK (Reply 17):
......but does it have somewhere to plug in your charger for a mobile phone?

If I were piloting a 787, I would also demand an iPod connector to play my tunes.
 
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RE: Real 787 Cockpit Pics.

Tue Aug 14, 2007 3:16 am

Quoting RichM (Reply 1):
The 787 cockpit looks like what you'd expect in a space craft, and in my opinion it just looks odd.

Looks are subjective. Personally, I love the look of the new cockpit. It's clean, modern and "all business." The fact it looks like it belongs in a space craft is icing on the cake.

 Smile

Someone posted earlier, and I agree, that the design will most likely endure far longer than that of previous (and most current) designs. I love it!
 
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RE: Real 787 Cockpit Pics.

Tue Aug 14, 2007 3:30 am

Quoting CCA (Thread starter):
flying bird as Boeing calls it

I think you mean the "Iron Bird".
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RE: Real 787 Cockpit Pics.

Tue Aug 14, 2007 3:35 am

Quoting Grantcv (Reply 18):
I would also demand an iPod connector to play my tunes.

Simple, remove headset, insert Ipod, how many speakers does the 787 cabin have? And does it have subs?
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RE: Real 787 Cockpit Pics.

Tue Aug 14, 2007 3:37 am

Is boeing ever going to put a tray table in for the pilots???
 
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RE: Real 787 Cockpit Pics.

Tue Aug 14, 2007 3:42 am

Quoting DeltaDC9 (Reply 21):
Quoting Grantcv (Reply 18):
I would also demand an iPod connector to play my tunes.

Simple, remove headset, insert Ipod, how many speakers does the 787 cabin have? And does it have subs?

Yeah, but the headset jack isn't the "true" audio-out for the iPod. To get the highest quality sound output (and remote control features) you've got to use the dock connector on the bottom of the iPod -- hence the need for an in-dash iPod connector. I've got this setup on my BMW and LOVE it. The sound quality is way better than what I'd get through the headphone jack.
 
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RE: Real 787 Cockpit Pics.

Tue Aug 14, 2007 4:12 am

Quoting Nuggetsyl (Reply 22):
Is boeing ever going to put a tray table in for the pilots???

Well, there is a serious issue here. The Airbus table is rated for the weight of a French flight attendant. Boeing would have to rate it for the weight of an American flight attendant, with the increased structural challenges that would entail.

Tongue firmly in cheek of course.
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RE: Real 787 Cockpit Pics.

Tue Aug 14, 2007 4:25 am

Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 24):
Boeing would have to rate it for the weight of an American flight attendant, with the increased structural challenges that would entail.

Visions of the 777 wing ultimate load test come to mind.....  Big grin


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RE: Real 787 Cockpit Pics.

Tue Aug 14, 2007 4:51 am

Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 24):
Well, there is a serious issue here. The Airbus table is rated for the weight of a French flight attendant. Boeing would have to rate it for the weight of an American flight attendant, with the increased structural challenges that would entail.

Tongue firmly in cheek of course.

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RE: Real 787 Cockpit Pics.

Tue Aug 14, 2007 5:50 am

"P-I aerospace reporter James Wallace in right seat of 787 cockpit. Note the HUD (head up display). The 787 has one for the pilot and another for the co-pilot --a first for commercial jetliners. Boeing photo."

This is the caption for the Seattle PI story in the second picture, but wouldn't that make it wrong I am pretty sure that the Embraer E-190 has HUD for both pilot and co-pilot.
 
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RE: Real 787 Cockpit Pics.

Tue Aug 14, 2007 5:52 am

These should give some indication as well of what the final product will look like:

http://flightblogger.blogspot.com/2007/06/view-from-up-front.html
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RE: Real 787 Cockpit Pics.

Tue Aug 14, 2007 6:46 am

Looks great to me!

I hope I get to fly on one some day soon  Smile
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RE: Real 787 Cockpit Pics.

Tue Aug 14, 2007 6:58 am

This cockpit is simply gorgeous!
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RE: Real 787 Cockpit Pics.

Tue Aug 14, 2007 7:29 am

Quoting RichM (Reply 1):
The 787 cockpit looks like what you'd expect in a space craft,

Ironically a derivative of these very displays are planned for NASA's new Orion spacecraft.
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RE: Real 787 Cockpit Pics.

Tue Aug 14, 2007 7:33 am

Am I missing something? The title says real pictures "Real 787 Cockpit Pics" but all the pictures appear to be of a mock up or simulator.
 
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RE: Real 787 Cockpit Pics.

Tue Aug 14, 2007 7:36 am

I like it, but more importantly is that the pilots that fly the 787 find it easy to use. It's all about pilot workload.
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RE: Real 787 Cockpit Pics.

Tue Aug 14, 2007 8:52 am

Quoting 474218 (Reply 32):
Am I missing something? The title says real pictures "Real 787 Cockpit Pics" but all the pictures appear to be of a mock up or simulator.

I suppose the answer lies with the fact that "real" is a relative term. I'm sure the poster meant it in the sense that these are the first shots of the actual hardware, that is, the first non-computer generated photographs of the cockpit instrumentation.
 
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RE: Real 787 Cockpit Pics.

Tue Aug 14, 2007 10:06 am

Quoting AirTranTUS (Reply 7):
Quoting RichM (Reply 1):
The 787 cockpit looks like what you'd expect in a space craft

Or a G550.

Or even an awesome, single engine turboprop.


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RE: Real 787 Cockpit Pics.

Tue Aug 14, 2007 10:09 am

Is it just me or are there no backup instrument guages?
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RE: Real 787 Cockpit Pics.

Tue Aug 14, 2007 10:32 am

Quoting Flanker (Reply 36):
Is it just me or are there no backup instrument guages?

If referring to the 787 I am sure it is a power source issue. If they can get power to screen and a "SARU" ala the 777 then it probably doesn't need a standby instrument. In fact if you look at the photo above your post you can see the stby instrument on the turboprop is to the left of the primary flight display and looks like a small ADI. There are several of these types of combo instruments out now that give the pilot attitude, airspeed, altitude and a navigation flight director all in one stby gauge. Gone are the days of the mechanical gauge, new tech has replaced those items.

I bet the RAT and the backup gens on the 787 keep the pilot navigating and orientated just fine.
 
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RE: Real 787 Cockpit Pics.

Tue Aug 14, 2007 12:45 pm

Quoting 474218 (Reply 32):
Am I missing something? The title says real pictures "Real 787 Cockpit Pics" but all the pictures appear to be of a mock up or simulator.

A real cockpit would have to be completed before pictures of it could be taken, let alone posted on a.net Big grin
 
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RE: Real 787 Cockpit Pics.

Tue Aug 14, 2007 1:59 pm

It looks like there is a stack of 3 standby instruments between the 2 center displays, all electronic standbys ala 737NG or 777-300
 
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RE: Real 787 Cockpit Pics.

Tue Aug 14, 2007 4:33 pm

Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 24):
Well, there is a serious issue here. The Airbus table is rated for the weight of a French flight attendant. Boeing would have to rate it for the weight of an American flight attendant, with the increased structural challenges that would entail.

Tongue firmly in cheek of course.

And I bet same damn lucky sod of an Air France pilot will put the additional structural strength of a Boeing table to good use by sitting two French flight attendants upon it at the same time  Smile  drool  !

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RE: Real 787 Cockpit Pics.

Tue Aug 14, 2007 10:57 pm

Looks good....but would look a lot better without those old-fashioned yokes sticking up! Should've gone with the sidesticks.
 
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RE: Real 787 Cockpit Pics.

Tue Aug 14, 2007 11:41 pm

Quoting WingedMigrator (Reply 38):
A real cockpit would have to be completed before pictures of it could be taken, let alone posted on a.net

Thats why I posted what I did. People seem to forget that words have meaning and to use the word "real" implies that it was a photo of a "real" 787 cockpit. I guess CAA could argue it was a "real" photo, just not a real 787 cockpit.

Quoting ThrottleHold (Reply 41):
Looks good....but would look a lot better without those old-fashioned yokes sticking up! Should've gone with the sidesticks.

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RE: Real 787 Cockpit Pics.

Wed Aug 15, 2007 4:31 am

Maybe it is because I am a creature of habit but it seems like the new designs just turn over too much control to the computer. Personally I'd trust a human versus a system possibly powered by Microsoft Vista.
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RE: Real 787 Cockpit Pics.

Wed Aug 15, 2007 11:53 am

Quoting Indy (Reply 43):
Maybe it is because I am a creature of habit but it seems like the new designs just turn over too much control to the computer. Personally I'd trust a human versus a system possibly powered by Microsoft Vista.

Well that's a whole other can of worms. But consider two things:
- Airbi with considerably more "control" (and the term needs to be used judiciously) by computers than the 787 have been flying for more than two decades. None of these has been lost because of something wrong with the aircraft.
- Flight control computers run very advanced custom made operating systems and applications (not Vista  Wink ). These are fault tolerant to a fare thee well. Again, no aircraft has been lost because of malfunction in a flight control computer.

Not saying the machines won't rise up and kill us. Just saying it hasn't happened yet.
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RE: Real 787 Cockpit Pics.

Thu Aug 16, 2007 12:57 am

Quoting BCAInfoSys (Reply 9):
I'm just glad they went with gray instead of that abhorrent brown. This looks much better then the 777 cockpit for example.

The brown was chosen by Boeing because it has a psychologically "calming" effect....

But I admit, the grey looks much better.