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Emirates To Order 747-8Is

Mon Aug 13, 2007 5:15 pm

According to flightglobal.com Emirates is about to sign a major order for 747-8 Intercontinentals. Another major blow for the A380 programme?

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...boeing-747-8-intercontinental.html
 
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RE: Emirates To Order 747-8Is

Mon Aug 13, 2007 5:24 pm

Quoting Bells (Thread starter):
Another major blow for the A380 programme?

Why ? They did not cancel any of their existing A380s order, didn´t they ? They even ordered addittional aircraft in June and have more than 50 aircraft on order.
I think this just proves that LH´s strategy is right and that other airlines will follow their example of using both the A380 and 747-8. Hope others will follow (BA???).
I am just worried that EK is able to fill all those aircraft (A380s, 747-8Is, 77W and later 787-10 or A350-1000s) but if they do Dubai will be a great spotting experience since I don´t believe that looking at endless A380s and 747-8Is will ever be boring  Smile
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RE: Emirates To Order 747-8Is

Mon Aug 13, 2007 5:24 pm

And just why is it a blow to A380 programme? Has EK cancelled their A380 orders???
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RE: Emirates To Order 747-8Is

Mon Aug 13, 2007 5:24 pm

Interesting. Will this be for routes such as DXB-LAX, DXB-SFO, DXB-MIA, DXB-SYD?

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RE: Emirates To Order 747-8Is

Mon Aug 13, 2007 5:25 pm

Quoting Bells (Thread starter):
According to flightglobal.com Emirates is about to sign a major order for 747-8 Intercontinentals. Another major blow for the A380 programme?

So Emirates have placed two A380 followon orders this year (4 and 8) and have recently finished building the custom A380 engineering and maintenance facility at their base, and still the rumours persist that EK are going to cancel (how else would this be a blow)?

No, if this deal goes ahead, EK will slot the 747-8I in just below the A380 in terms of capacity in the same manner that Lufthansa has. Its often been said on this forum that the two aircraft are not direct competitors, and many airlines will find ways in which they are fantastically complementary to each other.
 
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RE: Emirates To Order 747-8Is

Mon Aug 13, 2007 5:29 pm

Interesting if they will order 787s or A350 in addition to that ? Dubai is going to be interesting.
Interesting is also that the article mentions Cathay (for both Cargo and Passenger ?) and China Airlines as well as BA.
Seems that the aircraft is making progress finally.
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RE: Emirates To Order 747-8Is

Mon Aug 13, 2007 5:39 pm

IF the deal does go through for the 747-8i, it will be a good boost for the 747-8i programme.

Quoting Bells (Thread starter):
Another major blow for the A380 programme

I would not consider it a blow for the A380, considering that EK have placed numerous add on orders for the A380.
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RE: Emirates To Order 747-8Is

Mon Aug 13, 2007 5:40 pm

Nice news for all 747 fans, including me  Smile I hope this order be the second one with other more coming soon.

Quoting Moo (Reply 4):
No, if this deal goes ahead, EK will slot the 747-8I in just below the A380 in terms of capacity in the same manner that Lufthansa has

True.

In fact, I see very few airlines ordering a 747-8 instead of an A-380 (Maybe JL could be one of them)
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RE: Emirates To Order 747-8Is

Mon Aug 13, 2007 5:48 pm

I'll believe it when I see it. No proof, no quotes, no nothing - Show me some proof that they are interested and we'll talk.
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RE: Emirates To Order 747-8Is

Mon Aug 13, 2007 6:09 pm

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 8):
I'll believe it when I see it. No proof, no quotes, no nothing - Show me some proof that they are interested and we'll talk.

Me too. I also like the following quote from Tim Clark in the article:

Quote:
"We continue to persevere with Boeing on the 747-8I, but it's not as we want it yet."

Once again a plane that, according to EK, is not up to where the airline wants it. Clark is talking and demanding a lot, but not buying any. Let us just wait and see.

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RE: Emirates To Order 747-8Is

Mon Aug 13, 2007 6:10 pm

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 8):
Show me some proof that they are interested and we'll talk.

I think it is safe to say that they at least were interested in 747-8I last year so I can imagine that they have not lost interest at all but are figuring out if they:
a) have a gap between the 77W and A380 (yes),

b) need something to fill that gap (remains to be seen),

c) see if the 747-8I in its current form is able to fill that gap if needed (also remains to be seen).
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RE: Emirates To Order 747-8Is

Mon Aug 13, 2007 7:08 pm

After this, no one can convince me that they will NOT be starting an in-house leasing company!

Mind you the numbers discussed, for 20 airframes, are minute in EK terms... I recall Tim Clark saying that the 747 program is obsolete and that EK is not interested in an "ancient airliner design"... change of heart Mr Clark....?

[Edited 2007-08-13 12:12:33]
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RE: Emirates To Order 747-8Is

Mon Aug 13, 2007 7:11 pm

An order from EK would be a genuine shot in the arm for the 747-8I. The lack of info on this recently had contributed to a general consensus that the trail had gone cold on this order but it looks like its still up there. I also think an EK order would help the chance of an order at BA and demonstrates that some carriers do require a go-between to sit in the middle of the 777-300ER and the A380.
 
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RE: Emirates To Order 747-8Is

Mon Aug 13, 2007 7:12 pm

Quoting JoKeR (Reply 11):
After this, no one can convince me that they will NOT be starting an in-house leasing company!

I know your joking, but the 747-8i is not an aircraft that will be much use to a leasing company. They would order A320's or 787's for that.
 
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RE: Emirates To Order 747-8Is

Mon Aug 13, 2007 7:22 pm

Quoting JoKeR (Reply 11):
I recall Tim Clark saying that the 747 program is obsolete and that EK is not interested in an "ancient airliner design"

Did not know about Tim Clark saying that but I remember the CEO of SQ saying something similar.
EK was always interested in 747-8 at least as in the smaller variant with more range. Besides he did order the freighter version so I doubt he was calling the 747 program obsolete.
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RE: Emirates To Order 747-8Is

Mon Aug 13, 2007 7:35 pm

The article says basically nothing new. That Boeing is in talks with about 15 airlines and that Emirates, BA, CX and China Airlines are the most likely customers to order the 748I soon we know already for a year or so. Lets hope that Emirates and China Airlines order still this year as the article hints. Maybe Emirates switches some of there 773ER orders to 748Is?
Who could be the freighter customers where orders are imminent?
 
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RE: Emirates To Order 747-8Is

Mon Aug 13, 2007 7:37 pm

Quoting JoKeR (Reply 11):
Mind you the numbers discussed, for 20 airframes, are minute in EK terms... I recall Tim Clark saying that the 747 program is obsolete and that EK is not interested in an "ancient airliner design"... change of heart Mr Clark..

I believe that's not correct. IIRC it was Chew Choon Seng from SA and not Tim Clark which said the 747 is a obsolete and he wasn't interested in a new design of a ancient airliner.
Tim Clark said he would order the 748 only if Airbus fails to deliver the A380.

However i really hope EK will order the 747, its such a great and beautiful plane.
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RE: Emirates To Order 747-8Is

Mon Aug 13, 2007 7:44 pm

Quoting NA (Reply 15):
Who could be the freighter customers where orders are imminent?

Any 747 cargo operator is a candidate, but I would single out:


  • Atlas Air
  • Air Atlanta Icelandic
  • Kalitta Air
  • UPS
  • JAL cargo
 
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RE: Emirates To Order 747-8Is

Mon Aug 13, 2007 7:46 pm

Quoting AutoThrust (Reply 16):
Tim Clark said he would order the 748 only if Airbus fails to deliver the A380.

I believe it was SQ CEO, mr Choon, that said that.
 
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RE: Emirates To Order 747-8Is

Mon Aug 13, 2007 7:46 pm

Quoting NA (Reply 15):
Who could be the freighter customers where orders are imminent?

I am hoping LH Cargo but I doubt it
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RE: Emirates To Order 747-8Is

Mon Aug 13, 2007 7:52 pm

How does this rumour affect the A380 programme, considering that Emirates made a follow-on order earlier on this year and remain committed to their A380 order?

I predicted in another thread that EK would never order the 747-8i: Any Other 747-8i Customers In Sight? (by MD 11 Jul 31 2007 in Civil Aviation)

However I stand to be proven wrong.

Also please let's not forget people that EK have not yet placed an order for the 787 AND/OR A350XWB so if there was to be an EK order for new aircraft it would most probably be for one (or both) of these products. Or maybe another A380 follow-on order even?
 
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RE: Emirates To Order 747-8Is

Mon Aug 13, 2007 7:53 pm

Quoting Columba (Reply 19):
Quoting NA (Reply 15):
Who could be the freighter customers where orders are imminent?


I am hoping LH Cargo but I doubt it

I dont see why they would if they are recieving new 747-8I's that will replace the existing 747-400's. They will probably just convert the passenger -400's into Freighters.

[Edited 2007-08-13 13:15:57]
 
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RE: Emirates To Order 747-8Is

Mon Aug 13, 2007 8:04 pm

Quoting EI321 (Reply 21):
I sont see why they would if they are recieving new 747-8I's that will replace the existing 747-400's. They will probably just convert the passenger -400's into Freighters.

That is the plan but from what I have read people at LH Cargo miss the nose door capability of the 747-200s
I think the -400s that will be converted are the combis together with additional 747-8Fs they could have a nice all jumbo fleet in 5-10 years.
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RE: Emirates To Order 747-8Is

Mon Aug 13, 2007 8:17 pm

Quoting EI321 (Reply 17):
Any 747 cargo operator is a candidate, but I would single out:

Atlas Air
Air Atlanta Icelandic
Kalitta Air
UPS
JAL cargo

I doubt Kalitta Air as their business model is based on operating very old 747 freighters so far. All their aircraft are over 20 years old and they never bought new ones.

What about NWA Cargo? They are retiring their oldest nose-door-fitted freighters from the mid-70s currently, they have plenty of cash, and I doubt they can´t afford converting some of their 744s right now as they haven´t replacements for them.

And what about Fedex?
 
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RE: Emirates To Order 747-8Is

Mon Aug 13, 2007 8:38 pm

Quoting NA (Reply 23):
What about NWA Cargo? They are retiring their oldest nose-door-fitted freighters from the mid-70s currently, they have plenty of cash, and I doubt they can´t afford converting some of their 744s right now as they haven´t replacements for them.

A joint 747-8I and -8F order for NW would be awesome  Wink

Quoting NA (Reply 23):
And what about Fedex?

They have just ordered plenty of 777Fs don´t know if they have a use for a 747-8F, UPS seems more likely.
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RE: Emirates To Order 747-8Is

Mon Aug 13, 2007 8:49 pm

Quoting Columba (Reply 24):
Quoting NA (Reply 23):
What about NWA Cargo? They are retiring their oldest nose-door-fitted freighters from the mid-70s currently, they have plenty of cash, and I doubt they can´t afford converting some of their 744s right now as they haven´t replacements for them.

A joint 747-8I and -8F order for NW would be awesome

I cant see many airlines that operate 747-400's already doing this. Most would just order the Intercontental and then convert their existing 747-400's to freighters however Korean have gone straight for the 747-8F.
 
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RE: Emirates To Order 747-8Is

Mon Aug 13, 2007 8:59 pm

Quoting Boeing74741R (Reply 20):
Also please let's not forget people that EK have not yet placed an order for the 787 AND/OR A350XWB so if there was to be an EK order for new aircraft it would most probably be for one (or both) of these products. Or maybe another A380 follow-on order even?

I am on record (a few score times) as saying that Emirates will order the A350XWB, if for nothing else to bolster the investment they have already made in EAD.PA. Further, the delivery dates would fit nicely with paying out their earliest 777s.

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RE: Emirates To Order 747-8Is

Mon Aug 13, 2007 9:26 pm

Quoting Columba (Reply 1):
Why ? They did not cancel any of their existing A380s order, didn´t they ? They even ordered additional aircraft in June and have more than 50 aircraft on order

As commented on another thread, the EK's existing orders of VLA are already perceived by some as potentially excessive. An B748i order will only add to this perception.
I see here a conceptual parallel to the QR situation, where after an order of 80 A350, already considered extremely high, they seem to order additional 30+30 B787 !!

I have a feeling, which obviously I cannot support with facts, that these airlines are dancing simultaneously at two weddings, to protect themselves !! This being more evident in the case of QR. Possibly, but not for sure, we will see more clearly at Dubai in November.

Quoting Columba (Reply 22):
That is the plan but from what I have read people at LH Cargo miss the nose door capability of the 747-200s
I think the -400s that will be converted are the combis together with additional 747-8Fs they could have a nice all jumbo fleet in 5-10 years.



Quoting EI321 (Reply 25):
Quoting NA (Reply 23):
What about NWA Cargo? They are retiring their oldest nose-door-fitted freighters from the mid-70s currently, they have plenty of cash, and I doubt they can´t afford converting some of their 744s right now as they haven´t replacements for them.
A joint 747-8I and -8F order for NW would be awesome
I cant see many airlines that operate 747-400's already doing this. Most would just order the Intercontinental and then convert their existing 747-400's to freighters however Korean have gone straight for the 747-8F.

- Do we have an idea how much a converted B744 freighter costs??. The two component being the potential resale value of the B744 pax plus the conversion costs
- Can we find somewhere the data of a converted B744F ??
I assume that the converted B744F cost/ton is way less than the of a B748F
- In the next years there will be more than enough B744 available for conversion.
- I also know that the operating costs of a freighter are not so decisive as for pax versions. We see that
some airlines opt for conversions, other for 8F, other seemingly for a mixture of both.

So, what is the criteria to opt for one or the other ?? Payload/range ?? Life expectancy ?? Fuel consumption ?? Doors ??The Airlines buying the 8F must see some huge advantage there, by willing to spent a lot more !!

I would be grateful for some info input

Quoting NA (Reply 23):
And what about Fedex?

And UPS ???

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RE: Emirates To Order 747-8Is

Mon Aug 13, 2007 9:26 pm

Quoting Lumberton (Reply 26):
I am on record (a few score times) as saying that Emirates will order the A350XWB, if for nothing else to bolster the investment they have already made in EAD.PA.

If Emirates buy aircraft because of a Dubai EADS investment, why would they buy the 747-8i, and why would they cancel their A340-600 order in favour of 777's? Unless you believe (in reference to the 787) that they would be better off ordering an aircraft with less range, higher fuel burn per seat then the A350 and smaller than their existing 777 fleet?

Quoting Lumberton (Reply 26):
Further, the delivery dates would fit nicely with paying out their earliest 777s.

They cant get 787's in 2015? The A350 certaibnly has no delivery schedule advantage over its competitor.

[Edited 2007-08-13 14:55:18]
 
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RE: Emirates To Order 747-8Is

Mon Aug 13, 2007 9:29 pm

This is not a "major blow" to the A-380 program.

It is however, potentially a very big boost to the 748 pax program. If Boeing lands the BA, CX and EK orders, that put the program in pretty good shape for the next year or so.
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RE: Emirates To Order 747-8Is

Mon Aug 13, 2007 9:31 pm

Quoting EI321 (Reply 28):
They cant get 787's in 2015?

I don't know, but I have a feeling we'll find out in November. BTW, with the exception of possibly the A350-800XWB, is not the A350 series is more of a 777 competitor?
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RE: Emirates To Order 747-8Is

Mon Aug 13, 2007 9:49 pm

As KLMA330 said in another thread:

Quoting KLMA330 (Reply 11):
Emirates is now well on their way to aquiring at least one of EVERY aircraft currently in production.

They were missing on the B747-8i, so maybe that is the rationale at work here  duck 

Quoting TKV (Reply 27):
I have a feeling, (...), that these airlines are dancing simultaneously at two weddings, to protect themselves

TKV, you wouldn't happen to be of german native tongue, would you? I've never heard "auf zwei Hochzeiten tanzen" in any other language -- but it's a nice and appropriate way of putting it.
 
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RE: Emirates To Order 747-8Is

Mon Aug 13, 2007 9:57 pm

Quoting JoKeR (Reply 11):
Mind you the numbers discussed, for 20 airframes, are minute in EK terms... I recall Tim Clark saying that the 747 program is obsolete and that EK is not interested in an "ancient airliner design"... change of heart Mr Clark....?

I guess that would put the 747F in that category then?
 
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RE: Emirates To Order 747-8Is

Mon Aug 13, 2007 10:01 pm

Quoting DAYflyer (Reply 29):
This is not a "major blow" to the A-380 program.

It is however, potentially a very big boost to the 748 pax program. If Boeing lands the BA, CX and EK orders, that put the program in pretty good shape for the next year or so.

 checkmark  I could be considered a blow for Airbus if BA and CX will order the 747-8I without any A380s.
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RE: Emirates To Order 747-8Is

Mon Aug 13, 2007 10:12 pm

Quoting Columba (Reply 33):
Quoting DAYflyer (Reply 29):
This is not a "major blow" to the A-380 program.

It is however, potentially a very big boost to the 748 pax program. If Boeing lands the BA, CX and EK orders, that put the program in pretty good shape for the next year or so.


I could be considered a blow for Airbus if BA and CX will order the 747-8I without any A380s.

Subjectively speaking, yes it would, even though they are both existing 747 operators. IMO it would be an even bigger blow to Boeing if BA were to go with the A350, ignoring whether or not BA order the A380.
 
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RE: Emirates To Order 747-8Is

Mon Aug 13, 2007 10:17 pm

Quoting Columba (Reply 33):
I could be considered a blow for Airbus if BA and CX will order the 747-8I without any A380s.



It would be, however I bet that they're going to keep us all waiting a while yet though!
 
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RE: Emirates To Order 747-8Is

Mon Aug 13, 2007 10:24 pm

Quoting JoKeR (Reply 11):
obsolete and that EK is not interested in an "ancient airliner design"... change of heart Mr Clark....?

That was Jacobin777's boy Chew of SIA who said that, not Clark. Interesting this is he ordered the A330 right after that comment. Go figure..  confused 

This article states nothing new. I think the title is misleading.
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RE: Emirates To Order 747-8Is

Mon Aug 13, 2007 10:31 pm

OK, sorry, correction, he DID actually say that, but for the 747-400's... when asked by a journalist (interview a few years back, I'll see if I can digit up somewhere) if EK were considering this type as well... his response was, if I can recall correctly, that the 777-300ER falls into that category of airliners, but with better performance, two engines less and better capacity... he then went on saying what I claimed earlier... sorrey Big grin
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RE: Emirates To Order 747-8Is

Mon Aug 13, 2007 10:32 pm

Quoting Norcal773 (Reply 36):
Interesting this is he ordered the A330 right after that comment

Along with more A380. Likewise, Lufthansa's boss emphasised how the 747-8 is not just an update of the -400, albeit on the day that he announced LH would order it. But in fairness Choons comments that the 747-8 Intercontinental is an outdated design are being vindicated by ordering sentiment from SQ's peer airlines, particularly those that are existing 747-400 operators.
 
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RE: Emirates To Order 747-8Is

Mon Aug 13, 2007 10:49 pm

I wonder if the pending 748I order by EK also bodes well a EK 787 order as well this November?
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RE: Emirates To Order 747-8Is

Mon Aug 13, 2007 10:50 pm

Quoting DABZF (Reply 2):
And just why is it a blow to A380 programme? Has EK cancelled their A380 orders???

If any airline buys the competitors model and you don't get the sale isn't that lost business.
Assume that Emerates needs 100 aircraft and Boeing fills 50 of those needs, then you can say that Airbus didn't get the complete 100 aircraft order.

For each aircraft sold by Boeing, Airbus is ONE aircraft farther away from reaching the 400 aircraft break even point.
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RE: Emirates To Order 747-8Is

Mon Aug 13, 2007 10:52 pm

Great new's if true. The 748-I needs more orders.

Perhap's off topic, but could a used 748-I ever be converted into a freighter?
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RE: Emirates To Order 747-8Is

Mon Aug 13, 2007 10:59 pm

Quoting BillReid (Reply 40):
If any airline buys the competitors model and you don't get the sale isn't that lost business.

I recall a Boeing spokesman saying that the A380 and the 747-8I are not direct competitioners. He also said that the 747-8 is smaller than the A380 and considered a bridge aircraft between the A346/77W and the A380.
EK is the biggest A380 customer and will eventually order an aircraft that will fill exactly the gap between their 777-300s and their A380 I would not call tha a blow. It would be different though if an airline plans to buy only one VLA either the 747 or the A380.
I would call it a blow for Airbus if they order the 787 over the A350.
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RE: Emirates To Order 747-8Is

Mon Aug 13, 2007 11:04 pm

Quoting Columba (Reply 1):
Why ? They did not cancel any of their existing A380s order, didn´t they ?



Quoting DABZF (Reply 2):
And just why is it a blow to A380 programme? Has EK cancelled their A380 orders???



Quoting Flyboysp (Reply 6):
I would not consider it a blow for the A380, considering that EK have placed numerous add on orders for the A380.

What if EK simply does not take ALL the 380s? Maybe they are positioning nthemselves to have two options depending on market and economy conditions.

Not taking 10 maybe would not be a huge blow to Airbus, unless sales dont pick up that is. But what would not impact a normal program could have a magnifying affect on the 380 progrram.

Quoting JoKeR (Reply 11):
After this, no one can convince me that they will NOT be starting an in-house leasing company!

It is just as easy to believe they added on to their orders because of the attractive pricing, maybe below what they originally paid and that may allow them to not take some of the others, depending on delivery dates?

Bottom line, we dont know.

Quoting TKV (Reply 27):
I have a feeling, which obviously I cannot support with facts, that these airlines are dancing simultaneously at two weddings, to protect themselves !! This being more evident in the case of QR. Possibly, but not for sure, we will see more clearly at Dubai in November.

I am with you.

Quoting DAYflyer (Reply 29):
This is not a "major blow" to the A-380 program.

Like I said, what would not be a major blow to a normal program, could be to the 380 program unless something changes. It all depends on what there plans really are, and if they would actually order as a hedge against risk or potential risk
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RE: Emirates To Order 747-8Is

Mon Aug 13, 2007 11:05 pm

Quoting EI321 (Reply 38):
Along with more A380. Likewise,

My beef with the comment is claiming how the 748 is an ancient plane and then ordering the A330 right after. The A330 is not tomorrow's plane by any means. In other words, those 748 comments didn't help him or anybody else for that matter thus were useless..
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RE: Emirates To Order 747-8Is

Mon Aug 13, 2007 11:11 pm

Quoting Norcal773 (Reply 36):
That was Jacobin777's boy Chew of SIA who said that, not Clark. Interesting this is he ordered the A330 right after that comment. Go figure.. confused

All of these public statements, by Chew, Clark, and other airline CEOs are generally just a part of the negotiating process and a way to get free publicity for their airline. They must all be taken with several grains of salt.
 
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RE: Emirates To Order 747-8Is

Mon Aug 13, 2007 11:15 pm

Quoting Norcal773 (Reply 44):
Quoting EI321 (Reply 38):
Along with more A380. Likewise,

My beef with the comment is claiming how the 748 is an ancient plane and then ordering the A330 right after. The A330 is not tomorrow's plane by any means.

Yeah but they are only getting interim A330's on lease until their A350's arrive. SQ are not basing long term expansion around the A330, but they are basing long term expansion around the A380. Choon's comments were related to the future of SQ's fleet.
 
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RE: Emirates To Order 747-8Is

Mon Aug 13, 2007 11:20 pm

If it's a "blow" to anything, it would be to the A350-1000 flying in EK colors as the 747-8 would fly 200nm farther with 50+ more people (assuming EK still wants 400 people and 8300nm range). Of course, EK would probably still take it, anyway, since they have so many 77Ws and the A350-900/-900R is still a desirable plane to replace theur 777-200ER, 777-200LR and A340-500 fleet down the road.

One nice thing about EK - they're growing so fast they can absorb scores of every widebody family out there because they'll find a need for them.  thumbsup 
 
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RE: Emirates To Order 747-8Is

Mon Aug 13, 2007 11:33 pm

Quoting EI321 (Reply 46):
SQ are not basing long term expansion around the A330, but they are basing long term expansion around the A380.

At the moment, SQ's future fleet looks like:

19 WhaleJets
19 777-300ERs
20 A350-900s
20 787-9s
19 A330-300s (short-term)

Let's not exaggerate the basis of any one model. It's a balanced fleet plan. SQ will soon need to order at least another 20 aircraft for delivery starting in 2013 or so. SQ currently hold options for:

6 WhaleJets
13 777-300ERs
20 A350s
20 787s

Let's wait and see what SQ order next before declaring the basis of their long term expansion.
 
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RE: Emirates To Order 747-8Is

Mon Aug 13, 2007 11:33 pm

People on this board should pay attention to punctuation. Everyone jumped on Bells in the beginning for asking if this would be a blow to the A 380 program - it was not a statement and yet everyone jumped on him like it was. It was a question. Let's pay attention before beating people up.

Now to the topic - LH's strategy looks to make sense. The 380 and 748 do not directly compete and like the 350 / 787, they are complimentary.

Very interesting development indeed, if true. Wonder if B was able to get the range up??
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