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Lufthansa New PTVs Pictures

Mon Aug 13, 2007 8:21 pm

Hello Anetters!
First of all Hi @ll, I'm a newbie!
Because all the other threads regarding the new PTVs for LH are allready archived I was forced to start a new topic.
Please correct me if i did wrong or move the post to an actual topic.

I'd like to share two pics with you guys wich i received today from a friend who is working for LH in FRA.
They were taken in the LH Base in FRA and show one of the IFE systems LH can choose of during the next months/weeks. There is an information that both systems will be shown at the base from 25th august.
If i get pics of the other system i will post them here too.

http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/5440/lhife122su7.jpg
http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/411/lhife112ma5.jpg

I think they look very huge!
And if i am correct the control panel in the armrest looks like the actual one which makes wonder if this is the IFE system with the touchscreen controls?
Any thoughts?
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RE: Lufthansa New PTVs Pictures

Mon Aug 13, 2007 8:31 pm

Quoting PeppiCGN (Thread starter):
I think they look very huge!
And if i am correct the control panel in the armrest looks like the actual one which makes wonder if this is the IFE system with the touchscreen controls?

I dont think they are touch screen. They look very similar, if not, identical, to the Qatar Airways IFE PTV's on their A340's and A330's.  Smile
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RE: Lufthansa New PTVs Pictures

Mon Aug 13, 2007 8:31 pm

Quoting PeppiCGN (Thread starter):
And if i am correct the control panel in the armrest looks like the actual one which makes wonder if this is the IFE system with the touchscreen controls?

I think that you will find that is the actual PTV for a bulkhead row -rather than a control mechanism ( there is no seatback to put a TV into for pax in the bulkhead row )
 
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RE: Lufthansa New PTVs Pictures

Mon Aug 13, 2007 8:58 pm

Looking very good indeed, can't wait to see them in operation.

Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 2):
I think that you will find that is the actual PTV for a bulkhead row -rather than a control mechanism

I think he means the little control pads on the actual armrests and not the bulkhead row PTV  Smile
 
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RE: Lufthansa New PTVs Pictures

Mon Aug 13, 2007 9:51 pm

Quoting Airdolomiti (Reply 3):
I think he means the little control pads on the actual armrests and not the bulkhead row PTV

You are right Airdolomiti.
I meant the panel on the left armrest of the second row.
It looks like the panel for volume, channel selection, lights and service as in the current Y in LHs longhaul fleet.
When i compare it with other IFEs i'm missing the remote/gamepad for your screen. They could be inside the left armrest but we can't tell from these pictures.
That's why i supposed this is the touchscreen system.
Sorry for the misunderstanding.
 
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RE: Lufthansa New PTVs Pictures

Mon Aug 13, 2007 10:00 pm

Where are the tray tables on that bulkhead row?
 
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Mon Aug 13, 2007 10:00 pm

Quoting PeppiCGN (Reply 4):
You are right Airdolomiti.
I meant the panel on the left armrest of the second row.
It looks like the panel for volume, channel selection, lights and service as in the current Y in LHs longhaul fleet.
When i compare it with other IFEs i'm missing the remote/gamepad for your screen. They could be inside the left armrest but we can't tell from these pictures.
That's why i supposed this is the touchscreen system.
Sorry for the misunderstanding.

no , my fault for assuming that I knew what you meant instead of reading more carefully - sorry Andrew
 
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RE: Lufthansa New PTVs Pictures

Mon Aug 13, 2007 11:25 pm

Welcome to Airliners.net, PeppiCGN!!!

The pictures look great and more interesting is that there is only one system-box beneath the seats. Hopefully it remains that way, our legs will thank that.
 
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RE: Lufthansa New PTVs Pictures

Tue Aug 14, 2007 12:18 am

Thanks PeppiCGN!
Can't wait to see them in the aircraft.. Well overdue. I really like Lufthansa but have been avoiding flying with them because there are no PVTs in Economy.
What I like the most is their cool interior design. Very different than any airline I have flown with.
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RE: Lufthansa New PTVs Pictures

Tue Aug 14, 2007 12:28 am

Do we know which company supplies the PTVs as pictured above?
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RE: Lufthansa New PTVs Pictures

Tue Aug 14, 2007 12:31 am

Quoting LH498 (Reply 7):
The pictures look great and more interesting is that there is only one system-box beneath the seats. Hopefully it remains that way, our legs will thank that.

 checkmark  First thing that came to my mind as well. I'm tall and I need all the legroom I can get!  Silly
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RE: Lufthansa New PTVs Pictures

Tue Aug 14, 2007 1:25 am

Quoting PeppiCGN (Reply 4):
You are right Airdolomiti.
I meant the panel on the left armrest of the second row.
It looks like the panel for volume, channel selection, lights and service as in the current Y in LHs longhaul fleet.
When i compare it with other IFEs i'm missing the remote/gamepad for your screen. They could be inside the left armrest but we can't tell from these pictures.
That's why i supposed this is the touchscreen system.
Sorry for the misunderstanding.

On Delta's international 767-400s and 777s, all controls are done on the touch screen in economy. That includes the controls for the reading lights and the call buttons. BusinessElite also gets a handset. Delta's Transcon 757s have buttons for the channel and volume with a small orange LED display, but since it is a narrowbody aircraft, the reading light and call buttons are overhead.

Does anyone know who is the provider for LH's new system?
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RE: Lufthansa New PTVs Pictures

Tue Aug 14, 2007 1:35 am

They look nice! .. but they should've done this along time ago!!
 
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RE: Lufthansa New PTVs Pictures

Tue Aug 14, 2007 1:50 am

Quoting RUHFlyer (Reply 12):
They look nice! .. but they should've done this along time ago!!

I know that people keep saying this, especially here on this forum but if you guys believe it or not, I haven´t had a single passenger complain over missing PTV´s in Economy ever on one of my flights.

Anyhow, LH flights are always packed even without PTV´s... so that´s how they argued. Why invest money if it isn´t really necessary.

There are more complains from FA´s who believe that PTV´s would make up for a more settled and relaxed atmosphere during the flight. It keeps passengers kind of occupied and out of the aisles and galleys. It´s true that on airlines that offer PTV´s the cabin atmosphere is a lot more relaxed and very calm, wheras on LH people keep running around the cabin, gather in the galleys (from where we always have to send them back to their seats) or somewhere else in the cabin around the doors or lavatories involved in rather loud conversations... etc.

I can´t wait for PTV´s introduced on LH´s flights!

I guess they just felt it was about time to get them. Which is certainly very true!

It looks good!!! I´m eager to have a look at it when it´s shown in august.

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RE: Lufthansa New PTVs Pictures

Tue Aug 14, 2007 2:02 am

Quoting L1011Lover (Reply 13):
There are more complains from FA´s who believe that PTV´s would make up for a more settled and relaxed atmosphere during the flight.

Damned lazy people!  duck 

In reality, that should be the best thing to come out of the things. A lot of people do not know how to keep themselves occupied with a book, as a passenger I'd rather have them fiddling with their personal TV screens, too. Being able to see the airshow at all times will be the nice one for us travel enthusiasts, however.  Wink

Does this change in attitude from LH have much to do with the end of Connexion by Boeing, per chance? LH did already have the most unlimited entertainment system in the world on board their aircraft, it simply wasn't their decision to keep it or drop it.
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RE: Lufthansa New PTVs Pictures

Tue Aug 14, 2007 2:38 am

There will actually be two types of TV's across the fleet during testing!

One type will be AVOD and the other IFE, after a voting done by passengers on these flights it will be chosen which one is better and then put on the whole fleet.


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RE: Lufthansa New PTVs Pictures

Tue Aug 14, 2007 3:29 am

So they will not put in the same system that is also found in C anf F class? How come wouldn't that be the easiest?
 
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RE: Lufthansa New PTVs Pictures

Tue Aug 14, 2007 5:11 am

I'd be quite interested in the official LH statement of this thread.....I could imagine those information are quite confidential and are not meant to be released to the general public yet...
 
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RE: Lufthansa New PTVs Pictures

Tue Aug 14, 2007 5:18 am

Quoting AKE0404AR (Reply 17):
I'd be quite interested in the official LH statement of this thread.....I could imagine those information are quite confidential and are not meant to be released to the general public yet...

I dont see why its so secret. Its PTV's in the back of a seat. Something that most good airlines have in Y class for a while now. Great to see them finally on LH A/C over the next 12 months.
 
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Tue Aug 14, 2007 5:31 am

Quoting OA260 (Reply 18):

I dont see why its so secret. Its PTV's in the back of a seat. Something that most good airlines have in Y class for a while now. Great to see them finally on LH A/C over the next 12 months.

As far as I know there was a official statement released by LH earlier this year saying tat they will equip their long haul fleet with PTV's in Y. If I am not mistaken it was included in the statment mentioning that LH will introduce it's new First Class on A330 /A340 next year.
 
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RE: Lufthansa New PTVs Pictures

Tue Aug 14, 2007 5:32 am

Welcome to Airliners. Great pics by the way  Smile

I think that it is about time tha LH introduces PTVs in economy, and must say that I think their new seats look good  Smile

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RE: Lufthansa New PTVs Pictures

Tue Aug 14, 2007 7:32 am

Quoting AKE0404AR (Reply 17):
I could imagine those information are quite confidential and are not meant to be released to the general public yet

Mh, what about the 2 planes flying around with the system already?
Do the Y Pax have to sign something that they will not any take pics? I don't think so!  Smile
 
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RE: Lufthansa New PTVs Pictures

Tue Aug 14, 2007 7:59 am

Which A/C will be getting this? I would imagine the A380 and A346 fleet(Probally A333/A343 fleet over time.
 
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RE: Lufthansa New PTVs Pictures

Tue Aug 14, 2007 8:42 am

Not before time! Last time I was on LH was FRA-CAN-MNL and 15 hours is along time to look at an empty space in the seat back in front of you.
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RE: Lufthansa New PTVs Pictures

Tue Aug 14, 2007 10:01 am

Quoting Usair320 (Reply 22):
Which A/C will be getting this? I would imagine the A380 and A346 fleet(Probally A333/A343 fleet over time.

The A346's and A333s will be the first to get them. It's still not decided if the 744s and A340s will get the PTVs. I think LH is waiting to see how smoothly the installation goes. BTW, I believe the first test aircraft will begin flying in October. The routes are DTW and IAH and then one more that I can't remember (maybe YYZ). Can't wait to see them!
 
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RE: Lufthansa New PTVs Pictures

Tue Aug 14, 2007 12:52 pm

I like it. I hope they go for AVOD, but at least a PTV is better than no PTV at all.

I'm glad they have the box under one seat as well too
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RE: Lufthansa New PTVs Pictures

Tue Aug 14, 2007 4:21 pm

Welcome to A.net!! Glad to see LH get some PTVs, hopefully this'll secure their position as a top airline.
 
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RE: Lufthansa New PTVs Pictures

Wed Aug 15, 2007 12:38 am

Quoting LHboyatDTW (Reply 25):
I like it. I hope they go for AVOD, but at least a PTV is better than no PTV at all.

Both of the test systems are AVOD. Personally, I hope they go with the touch-screen version.

[Edited 2007-08-14 17:39:37]
 
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RE: Lufthansa New PTVs Pictures

Wed Aug 15, 2007 2:11 am

At last LH is finally catching up with the latter half of the 20th century !!.

The only l/h flight I have taken with LH was from DXB-FRA in Y, and the lack of PTV's was awful. I couldn't be bothered to watch what ever rubbish was being forced at me through the main screen, so I chose to watch my own personal PTV's by shutting my eyes and going to sleep !!.

I have always been a fan of LH and their service however it is amazing that it has taken them this long to install PTV's, but I guess this is partly due to a lack of serious competition from other German Airlines on l/haul scheduled routes. Maybe now I may try them out l/haul again in the future once all the fleet is fitted out.

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RE: Lufthansa New PTVs Pictures

Wed Aug 15, 2007 3:37 am

Touchscreen in the aircraft in the economy?
How screen will look like after 14 hours of flight? Or shortly after meal service?
How many time will be needed to clean all the 200+ screens from the fingerprints before the next flight?
If nobody will care about this - how the screen will look after just one week?

And - no joystick - no games. It's fun to play multiplayer games in thje plane : )

No, touchscreen is not so good idea.
 
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RE: Lufthansa New PTVs Pictures

Wed Aug 15, 2007 4:23 am

Quoting Leezyjet (Reply 28):
I couldn't be bothered to watch what ever rubbish was being forced at me through the main screen, so I chose to watch my own personal PTV's by shutting my eyes and going to sleep !!.

Life must be so tough...
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RE: Lufthansa New PTVs Pictures

Thu Aug 16, 2007 2:12 am

Not an official statement, and only in German so far, but here is some news about this on a aeronews website:

Quoting http://www.aero.de/news.php?varnewsid=4386:

FRANKFURT/M. - Mit Beginn des Winterflugplans wird Lufthansa ihren Fluggästen in der Economy Class auf Langstreckenflügen einen persönlichen Bildschirm am Sitzplatz anbieten. Um die Bedienung des individuellen Bordunterhaltungsprogramms für den Kunden so komfortabel wie möglich zu gestalten und Wünsche der Fluggäste berücksichtigen zu können, führt Lufthansa in den kommenden Wochen einen Praxistest an Bord von zwei Flugzeugen durch.

Vom 15. August an kommen die so genannten Inseat-Screens für einige Wochen auf den Strecken von Frankfurt nach Detroit, Houston und Toronto zum Einsatz.

Den Fluggästen stehen während der Testphase zwei Bedienungsvarianten für das Unterhaltungsprogramm zur Verfügung: Eine Option ist die Navigation per Touchscreen, alternativ wird die Bedienung über eine in der Armlehne integrierte Steuerung getestet. Beide Versionen ermöglichen einen individuellen Zugriff auf das komplette Unterhaltungsangebot auf dem persönlichen Bildschirm. Die Menüführung erfolgt in neun verschiedenen Sprachen: Die Lufthansa-Fluggäste können zwischen Deutsch, Englisch, Französisch, Italienisch, Spanisch, Portugiesisch, Japanisch, Koreanisch und Chinesisch wählen.

Auf den Testflügen finden zudem Bordbefragungen durch speziell geschulte Testbegleiter statt. Die ausgewerteten Befragungs-Ergebnisse werden bei der Auswahl des zukünftigen Bedienkonzeptes der Inseat-Screens berücksichtigt.

Nach dem Abschluss der Testphase wird die Langstreckenflotte schrittweise mit den neuen Inseat-Screens ausgestattet. Die erste Lufthansa-Maschine mit der neuen Economy Class geht ab November dieses Jahres auf Strecke.

To sum up the important facts:

- Gonna start testing the PTVs in 2 aircraft on flights FRA - DTW, IAH, YYZ
- They are testing both, touchscreen and arm rest remote controls for the PTVs,
- after their decision the system will be integrated on the entire long haul fleet (wonder how or if at all that will affect the A300s) with the first a/c being fully equipped in November


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RE: Lufthansa New PTVs Pictures

Thu Aug 16, 2007 2:31 am

Quoting LH648 (Reply 29):
Touchscreen in the aircraft in the economy?
How screen will look like after 14 hours of flight? Or shortly after meal service?
How many time will be needed to clean all the 200+ screens from the fingerprints before the next flight?
If nobody will care about this - how the screen will look after just one week?

And - no joystick - no games. It's fun to play multiplayer games in thje plane : )

No, touchscreen is not so good idea.

South African has AVOD with Touchscreen and Handset controls installed in their A340-600 (at least that was the equipment used when I flew FRA-JNB a couple of weeks ago). The touchscreen works smoothly and there is absolutely no issue with dirt or grease on the screen. Napkins and towels are provided even in economy class to clean your fingers before touching any such equipment, and I would guess that most people would actually clean their hands before touching an in seat remote as well.

In general, I don't care much about IFE and an increasing number of travelers probably does not. I usually bring my iPod along, with the music and videos I like and not whatever AVOD is providing. The only AVOD I've seen so far that I really liked was on Qatar Airways, as they provide a decent selection of movies, tv programs, and music, as well as the best ever map/air show feature, with google-map like views of the area around the airport and interactive map views rather than the boring sequence found on most other airlines, with all the "in flight exercise" advise and other useless stuff.

Usually, what I do with in seat video is set it to airshow/map mode during flight and exterior camera view during take off and landing (if available). Depending on the time of the day, I have a glass of red wine, tune my ipod to the easy listening or smooth jazz playlist (or dance/house during the day) and fall asleep for the duration of the flight...

Hope LH picks a system similar to Qatars though, the better map feature alone is worth it. Anyone knows who supplies this system?

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RE: Lufthansa New PTVs Pictures

Tue Aug 21, 2007 5:44 pm

About time they install PTV in economy class. I have flown long haul three times and I am quite disappointed about them!

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RE: Lufthansa New PTVs Pictures

Tue Aug 21, 2007 6:03 pm

Quoting LH648 (Reply 29):
No, touchscreen is not so good idea.

Many carriers around the world, including LA and AF have PTV's with touch screen in Y and the problems you describe are absolutely not present.
My personal observation is that youngsters and kids prefer to have a remote control, as they are used to playing games with a remote. Older people immediately start touching the screen and are very puzzled when there is no touch screen and have to use the remote.
I think having both systems, a touch screen with remote, gives you best of both worlds and there are many such systems already operating, also in Y.
 
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RE: Lufthansa New PTVs Pictures

Tue Aug 21, 2007 6:07 pm

Hi!

It's about time LH....indeed!!! Couldn't LH have saved a lot of time and worked IF....they have them INSTALLED by Airbus when the planes were delivered??? I wonder if there's an explanation for this...I seriously don't think that LH wanted to "save money" not installing those PTV at that time, that doesn't look very smart.
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RE: Lufthansa New PTVs Pictures

Tue Aug 21, 2007 6:13 pm

Quoting LH648 (Reply 29):
No, touchscreen is not so good idea.

That's why DL are putting them into a load of their 757's is it?  Yeah sure
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RE: Lufthansa New PTVs Pictures

Fri Aug 24, 2007 7:02 am

A friend of mine just flew on one of the test aircraft from DTW to FRA. She said that the PTVs were touch screen but also had a control in the armrest. There were only a few movies and several television programs (since it's still in the test phase.) There were only a few very small glitches and overall she really liked the system. Near the end of the flight they handed out a very detailed survey.
 
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RE: Lufthansa New PTVs Pictures

Fri Aug 24, 2007 10:55 am

CO installed touchscreen PTVs with AVOD and I love them.
 
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RE: Lufthansa New PTVs Pictures

Fri Aug 24, 2007 11:20 am

Quoting Daleaholic (Reply 36):
That's why DL are putting them into a load of their 757's is it?

On Delta's international 767-400ERs and 777-200ERs in economy, all functionality, including the reading light and call buttons, are done on the touch screen. BusinessElite also features a handset.
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RE: Lufthansa New PTVs Pictures

Fri Aug 24, 2007 11:51 am

While I love the idea of having touch screens and have experienced them before on Air France flights and I believe my KLM 777-200 flights, I had trouble with mine on a recent Delta 757 flight. While playing the trivia game my "touch" keyboard would not enter the proper keys when pressed and when pushing the menu buttons it would not do anything. Seemed like the censor was a little faulty on the screen.

But nonetheless I love the touch screens!

I wish Lufthansa luck with this new feature as it was a lacking convince in today's technological long-haul travel. I hope Iberia follows pursuit!
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RE: Lufthansa New PTVs Pictures

Fri Aug 24, 2007 11:56 am

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 39):
all functionality, including the reading light and call buttons, are done on the touch screen. BusinessElite also features a handset.

Im not so sure this is a good idea having everything integrated into the PTV for the simple fact of how often do these things not work? It seems like pretty regularly there is one that doesnt work and I sure would like to be able to turn my reading light on and read a book if I cant watch my tv..  worried 
 
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RE: Lufthansa New PTVs Pictures

Fri Aug 24, 2007 12:52 pm

Nooooooooo.!
The reason I fly LH or UA 744 is that they don't have PTVs.
(Though I am probably a minor minor minority in regards to PTVs.)
 
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RE: Lufthansa New PTVs Pictures

Sat Aug 25, 2007 1:33 am

Quoting Carpethead (Reply 42):
Nooooooooo.!
The reason I fly LH or UA 744 is that they don't have PTVs.
(Though I am probably a minor minor minority in regards to PTVs.)

So you fly those airlines as they don't offer PTV's? You obviously don't need to use them however what do they disturb you, is it because of the box under some seats whihc tkae away some leg space or what?

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