AirTranTUS
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SkyTeam And Daytime Flights To Europe

Tue Aug 14, 2007 4:05 pm

With the cancellation of AF's daytime JFK-CDG, I believe SkyTeam has no daytime flights between the US and Europe. Both other major alliances do, but not SkyTeam. Why doesn't CO do a daytime EWR-LGW on a 757? DL could also do a ATL-LGW daytime flight, but would have to use a 763. I personally would love to see CO fly EWR-LGW during the day, and be able to connect to it from west coast red-eyes. Are these flights less yielding than the overnight ones?

This not a poll but a discussion about SkyTeam and daytime flights to Europe.
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RE: SkyTeam And Daytime Flights To Europe

Tue Aug 14, 2007 6:31 pm

Quoting AirTranTUS (Thread starter):
I personally would love to see CO fly EWR-LGW during the day, and be able to connect to it from west coast red-eyes

My preference when flying to West Coast to Europe is to connect intra-europe and then catch a non-stop instead of connecting in the east coast, you get much better rest flying a long leg (9-11 hrs) instead of splitting in a 6-7 hours and then a 5 hours transcon. I acknowledge there are people who rather fly 2 6hr legs than a 12hr non-stop specially in Y.

SKY members have the option of AF/KL non-stop from the west coast to AMS/CDG, latest depature is AF067 LAX-CDG at 2115.

Quoting AirTranTUS (Thread starter):
This not a poll but a discussion about SkyTeam and daytime flights to Europe.

This topic is becoming so popular lately, as I've said several times in other threads, I don't like daytime US-Europe flights and think there are intended for a pretty small niche market almost totally concentrated on NYC-LON.


BTW, I would guess DL or NW will eventually launch LAX-LHR non-stop after open skies comes into place, as I said is just a guess, what do you think?
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RE: SkyTeam And Daytime Flights To Europe

Tue Aug 14, 2007 10:31 pm

I like the daylight flights but

1. The whole day is wasted and
2. Hardly no connections to other European cities. However one can get connections to TLV and other non European cities.
 
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RE: SkyTeam And Daytime Flights To Europe

Wed Aug 15, 2007 7:47 am

Daytime flights to Europe also usually result in poor aircraft utilization since the outbound flight has been sitting at the point of origin overnight, and when it arrives at the destination it's normally too late to operate a return flight the same night, so it overnights at that end also. That means the aircraft will probably only be able to operate a one way US-Europe sector within a 24 hour period, while if it operates overnight it can do the complete round trip in 24 hours.
 
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RE: SkyTeam And Daytime Flights To Europe

Wed Aug 15, 2007 8:00 am

Quoting AirTranTUS (Thread starter):
Why doesn't CO do a daytime EWR-LGW on a 757? DL could also do a ATL-LGW daytime flight, but would have to use a 763.

This is why:

Quoting AirTranTUS (Thread starter):
With the cancellation of AF's daytime JFK-CDG, I believe SkyTeam has no daytime flights between the US and Europe

The flights dont work.....there is simply not enough demand. AF could not make it work, why could the other airlines that you mentioned find success?

CO maybe could make EWR-London work once they get into Heathrow (Gatwick wont work), but would CO use and risk an expensive LHR slot for a daylight 752? Maybe, but probably not.....not enough seats or premium seats to get a good return on investment for that valuable LHR slot. As for ATL-London, the daylight flight would have to depart very very early in the morning to accommodate the long ATL-London flight (it is about 2 hours more flying than NYC-London) and therefore there would be few incoming flights at ATL to feed the flight.......being that ATL has a high proportion of connecting passengers, the flight would be doomed. ALso, DL would need to fly the service into Heathrow, not Gatwick, and DL (like CO, NW, etc) are still working on exactly how they are going to get enough slots at LHR.

The ""obsession"" with daylight flights here at a.net is interesting.......seriously, dont you think that if the airlines saw a market and thought that there was money to be made with daylight US-EU flights, they would already be flying these services? AF is the latest proof that this is an extremely difficult market, that is probably limited to key Eastern US cities to London, and nothing more.
 
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RE: SkyTeam And Daytime Flights To Europe

Wed Aug 15, 2007 11:07 am

I believe CO operated one of their two EWR-LGW flights on a daytime basis a few years ago. I can not see ATL-LON happening daytime, but possibly JFK-LON if DL is able to build some kind of critical mass in that market.

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