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Load Factors On KUL-EZE Route

Wed Aug 15, 2007 2:29 am

Hi all,

just a question...

is profitable this route? How about load factors?

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RE: Load Factors On KUL-EZE Route

Wed Aug 15, 2007 4:40 am

Quoting RAFVC10 (Thread starter):
is profitable this route? How about load factors?

Well, keeping in mind that load factors do not equal a route being profitable... The last two times I was leaving from EZE, my UA flight back home was at the gate next to the MH 744, and judging from the crowds, they seemed quite full. Furthermore MH just went through a quite extensive overhaul of their long haul network in an effort to put the carrier on a fast track to profitability so one thinks that had this route not been attractive to the airline (and there are many ways to define "attractive") it would have been gone by now.

Interesting fact: some of the cabin crew on this flight are from Mexico, a legacy from the days MH used to fly to Mexico City. I believe these days they are based either at KUL or EZE.
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RE: Load Factors On KUL-EZE Route

Wed Aug 15, 2007 4:50 am

Isn't this flight operated with a 744? If they were hurting that badly, they could drop it down to a 772... MH isn't really hurting for long haul metal. Even with having to dodge ETOPS dead zones, 772ER could make this route easy.... haha, they could even use the long ranger.

I love unique flights like this one. Kind of like, what is it, MH's EWR-ARN (or is it JFK-ARN?) and SQ's FRA-JFK?

Too bad MH isn't in an alliance, I'd love a flight like this for a southern hemisphere round the world flight.
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RE: Load Factors On KUL-EZE Route

Wed Aug 15, 2007 4:51 am

Quoting DCAjet (Reply 1):
The last two times I was leaving from EZE, my UA flight back home was at the gate next to the MH 744, and judging from the crowds, they seemed quite full.

I'm guessing a lot of that crowd is for South Africa? (pure speculation  Smile )

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RE: Load Factors On KUL-EZE Route

Wed Aug 15, 2007 4:58 am

Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 3):
I'm guessing a lot of that crowd is for South Africa? (pure speculation )

Actually, both times, mostly Asians were queuing up for boarding. Lets not forget Argentina has a pretty sizeable Asian population and barring LA as a connection point to the Far East, this flight may offer the best connections to places such as Shanghai, Taipei, etc.

IIRC, AR's flight to Auckland and Sydney was designed with that in mind - a quick route to Asia - but it took a life of its own with mostly South Americans, Aussies and Kiwis being the users these days - and not going to Asia.

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RE: Load Factors On KUL-EZE Route

Wed Aug 15, 2007 5:45 am

Quoting Flydreamliner (Reply 2):
MH's EWR-ARN (or is it JFK-ARN?)

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RE: Load Factors On KUL-EZE Route

Wed Aug 15, 2007 7:06 am

Quoting DCAjet (Reply 4):
Lets not forget Argentina has a pretty sizeable Asian population and barring LA as a connection point to the Far East, this flight may offer the best connections to places such as Shanghai, Taipei, etc.

Interesting point, but I guess this would only work if the fares are attractive; otherwise, one would have to fly EZE-CPT-JNB-KUL-XXX and that is a pretty long and tiresome itinerary. Might be easier to just fly AR's EZE-AKL and then fly AKL-XXX with NZ or an Asian carrier.
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RE: Load Factors On KUL-EZE Route

Wed Aug 15, 2007 8:12 am

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 6):
Interesting point, but I guess this would only work if the fares are attractive; otherwise, one would have to fly EZE-CPT-JNB-KUL-XXX and that is a pretty long and tiresome itinerary. Might be easier to just fly AR's EZE-AKL and then fly AKL-XXX with NZ or an Asian carrier.

Indeed, it should be faster, but as it is timed now, that is, leaving EZE at midnight and landing at AKL at around 4:45 AM, it is certainly not connection friendly on account of the long layover - 4 hours or more- and then not that many flights from AKL to PVG or TPE, for instance. Sydney would be perfect for connections, but then you have to add to the already long flight from EZE (almost 14 hours) the stopover in AKL and a 3 hour flight to Sydney. That's when a through plane service to KUL starts to make sense. It is only around 3-4 hours from KUL to PVG.

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RE: Load Factors On KUL-EZE Route

Wed Aug 15, 2007 9:54 am

Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 3):
I'm guessing a lot of that crowd is for South Africa?

Does MH have 5th freedom rights in South Africa?
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RE: Load Factors On KUL-EZE Route

Wed Aug 15, 2007 10:04 am

Quoting UPPERDECKFAN (Reply 8):
Does MH have 5th freedom rights in South Africa

I would assume so -- my original flight JNB - TPE was on this exact flight (in the days when it was still flown by the MD-11!) I was seated next to a woman who had boarded the flight in EZE ... she wasn't thrilled with the 31-hour delay we had in JNB either!
 
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RE: Load Factors On KUL-EZE Route

Wed Aug 15, 2007 1:06 pm

Quoting Flydreamliner (Reply 2):
Isn't this flight operated with a 744? If they were hurting that badly, they could drop it down to a 772... MH isn't really hurting for long haul metal. Even with having to dodge ETOPS dead zones, 772ER could make this route easy.... haha, they could even use the long ranger.

It would be even better if this flight was non stop - then it would take you over both the Falklands and the Southern French Antarctic Lands! I don't think a 777 on the EZE-JNB route would work though economically compared to the 744; even at ETOPS 240 you'd have to make a diversion North, and at 180/207 it would be much more pronounced.


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RE: Load Factors On KUL-EZE Route

Wed Aug 15, 2007 1:17 pm

Quoting UPPERDECKFAN (Reply 8):
Does MH have 5th freedom rights in South Africa?

I'm guessing you're talking about 8th freedom rights for the JNB-CPT/CPT-JNB legs?

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RE: Load Factors On KUL-EZE Route

Wed Aug 15, 2007 2:00 pm

It's a waste if you ask me...

2 services per week takes a up almost 6 days of aircraft utilisation.

The same aircraft could operate daily services to an Australian city, which I think would generate more in pax and cargo, especially with the strong Australian dollar.

With this service MH has crew stationed for 3 days at a time in EZE, CPT and JNB!
 
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RE: Load Factors On KUL-EZE Route

Wed Aug 15, 2007 3:24 pm

Quoting DCAjet (Reply 1):
Interesting fact: some of the cabin crew on this flight are from Mexico, a legacy from the days MH used to fly to Mexico City. I believe these days they are based either at KUL or EZE.

Oh I remember those days, I actually was lucky enough to fly on MH's 744 on the MEX-LAX-MEX leg of what used to be MEX-LAX-TPE-KUL-TPE-LAX-MEX. I wonder why the stopped? Well I guess that's a stupid question, it was obviously an unprofitable route for them probably, in any case, it seemed successful to me (I was 10 then) since the 744 went out overbooked, the prices were very competitive, and the service was extraodinary. I wish MH the best on their fast-track to profitability and hopfully they'll open MEX again someday.

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RE: Load Factors On KUL-EZE Route

Wed Aug 15, 2007 5:21 pm

Quoting UPPERDECKFAN (Reply 8):
Does MH have 5th freedom rights in South Africa?

Yes. They do.

Quoting DCAjet (Reply 1):
Interesting fact: some of the cabin crew on this flight are from Mexico, a legacy from the days MH used to fly to Mexico City. I believe these days they are based either at KUL or EZE.

No more Mexican crew work for MAS, as far as i'm concerned. Only South African and Argentinian crew.

Quoting MX77W (Reply 13):
I actually was lucky enough to fly on MH's 744 on the MEX-LAX-MEX leg of what used to be MEX-LAX-TPE-KUL-TPE-LAX-MEX. I wonder why the stopped? Well I guess that's a stupid question, it was obviously an unprofitable route for them probably,

LAX-MEX-LAX was profitable for MAS. They also earned a lot of money from the cargo business. The US government revoked MAS 5th freedom rights between LAX/MEX and MAS had no choice but to stop this route completely.
 
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RE: Load Factors On KUL-EZE Route

Wed Aug 15, 2007 9:26 pm

Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 3):
I'm guessing a lot of that crowd is for South Africa? (pure speculation )

I actually flew on this flight EZE-CPT and JNB-EZE last year and the crowd was quite mixed. On the eastbound leg, there were quite a few Argentines going to South Africa on holiday and many others continuing on to Asia. On the return flight, most of the flight was made up of South African high school rugby teams going to Argentina on some sort of rugby exchange programme between Argentine and South African schools. The flights were operating at full capacity on all legs.

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RE: Load Factors On KUL-EZE Route

Wed Aug 15, 2007 10:18 pm

Speaking of South Africa to S. America, weren't there rumours that SA was going to start JNB-EZE by 2008?

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RE: Load Factors On KUL-EZE Route

Wed Aug 15, 2007 10:37 pm

Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 16):
Speaking of South Africa to S. America, weren't there rumours that SA was going to start JNB-EZE by 2008?

The announcement was made, PR and all, (was going to be operated with their Airbus 342), but the plans were shelved at the same time SAA anounced the retirement of the 744 fleet, and standardizing their long haul fleet around the Airbus 340 platform, in an effort to return the airline to profitability.
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RE: Load Factors On KUL-EZE Route

Thu Aug 16, 2007 1:00 am

Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 16):
Speaking of South Africa to S. America, weren't there rumours that SA was going to start JNB-EZE by 2008?

As mentioned, the plan was shelved and SA decided instead to increase JNB-GRU from daily to 10 weekly.

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RE: Load Factors On KUL-EZE Route

Thu Aug 16, 2007 2:14 am

I hadn't heard they shelved the plan. Too bad! But coinciding with the supposed start of the route, MH was to withdraw from the CPT-EZE segment (still flying KUL-JNB-CPT). I guess now MH will maintain their EZE tag on. There is a nice market between EZE and South Africa... I wouldn't be surprised if 75% of the pax that board @ EZE deplane either in CPT or JNB...
 
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RE: Load Factors On KUL-EZE Route

Thu Aug 16, 2007 2:52 am

Quoting Jj (Reply 19):
There is a nice market between EZE and South Africa..

That's what I was thinking too. Why doesn's AR (Marsans) look into that? I think it would be a profitable route and with virtually no competition

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RE: Load Factors On KUL-EZE Route

Thu Aug 16, 2007 2:57 am

Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 20):

That's what I was thinking too. Why doesn's AR (Marsans) look into that? I think it would be a profitable route and with virtually no competition

What have we been talking about in the other thread??  Smile

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RE: Load Factors On KUL-EZE Route

Thu Aug 16, 2007 3:01 am

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 21):
There are no planes to even look or maintain current schedules!

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