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NW CEO On Today Show Now

Wed Aug 15, 2007 10:52 pm

Anybody else watching Dougie Fresh on The Today Show? He's really dodging questions and defending his lower than advertised bonus, and how he is "trying to increase moral with his dedicated employees." I especially liked the stocked film of the Northwest Orient painted 747-400

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RE: NW CEO On Today Show Now

Thu Aug 16, 2007 1:47 am

I especially liked how Meredith was at ease during the conversation, yet Doug was sitting on the edge of his chair waiting to bolt. He "is trying" to increase morale...whatever. Morale will go up once Doug goes out the door. He can take his stock options and stick them where Northwest does not fly. He's a crook through and through.

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RE: NW CEO On Today Show Now

Thu Aug 16, 2007 2:06 am

What was he thinking!?!? If he was trying to improve labor/management relations or allay passenger concerns, I believe he failed miserably. Are the PR people at NW being ignored, or did they come up with this terrible idea?
 
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RE: NW CEO On Today Show Now

Thu Aug 16, 2007 2:12 am

I just saw the interview on the Today Show Website, and he look so uncomfortable and didn't seem to be on top of his game with many of the questions. Meredith was so relaxed and he was so tense.

I love how Meredith at the end of the interview said, "If I buy a ticket on NW for the end of August, can you promise me that the flight will not be cancelled". He responded "yes"

I would like to see what happens if her flight does get cancelled
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RE: NW CEO On Today Show Now

Thu Aug 16, 2007 2:12 am

http://video.msn.com/v/us/msnbc.htm?...61-4419-9152-765fd29c0f97&f=00&fg=

it's always interesting watching CEOs dodge questions about their egregious bonuses/stock options/etc. but, at least dougie's compensation was in the bottom 10 percent of fortune 500 execs! i'm sure that makes NWA employees happy???  Sad
 
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RE: NW CEO On Today Show Now

Thu Aug 16, 2007 3:14 am

Quoting Flyabr (Reply 4):
it's always interesting watching CEOs dodge questions about their egregious bonuses/stock options/etc. but, at least dougie's compensation was in the bottom 10 percent of fortune 500 execs! i'm sure that makes NWA employees happy???

And that's a VERY rich year in the airline business. More typically, the bottom 10 (bottom 0.2%) of Fortune 500 CEOs are all airline executives, together with Steve Jobs and the Google guy.

The reason for this is not because they're dumb people (hint, all executives are about the same -- smart but not geniuses) but because the unions go ape if someone gets a measly $1 million a year. Guess what, ANY reasonably good airline CEO costs $1 million a year. Or $6 million, same difference. Any less, is just a big hearted donation by the CEO to the company. Airline execs are not -- repeat not -- in it for the money.

Doug is definitely out of touch. It is definitely time for him to go. But I do not understand why people hate him. In a lot of ways he saved NWA by going through bankruptcy carefully and intelligently. And he crushed the mechanics union which had vowed to "shut NWA down." I say good for Dougie and the employees should be grateful at least for that.
 
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RE: NW CEO On Today Show Now

Thu Aug 16, 2007 3:17 am

Quoting Flighty (Reply 5):
But I do not understand why people hate him. In a lot of ways he saved NWA by going through bankruptcy carefully and intelligently. And he crushed the mechanics union which had vowed to "shut NWA down." I say good for Dougie and the employees should be grateful at least for that.

I wholeheartedly agree.

It wouldn't matter who the CEO of NW is..... NW employees would still find reasons to hate him/her.
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RE: NW CEO On Today Show Now

Thu Aug 16, 2007 7:25 am

Quoting Flighty (Reply 5):
And that's a VERY rich year in the airline business. More typically, the bottom 10 (bottom 0.2%) of Fortune 500 CEOs are all airline executives, together with Steve Jobs and the Google guy.

The reason for this is not because they're dumb people (hint, all executives are about the same -- smart but not geniuses) but because the unions go ape if someone gets a measly $1 million a year. Guess what, ANY reasonably good airline CEO costs $1 million a year. Or $6 million, same difference. Any less, is just a big hearted donation by the CEO to the company. Airline execs are not -- repeat not -- in it for the money.

Doug is definitely out of touch. It is definitely time for him to go. But I do not understand why people hate him. In a lot of ways he saved NWA by going through bankruptcy carefully and intelligently. And he crushed the mechanics union which had vowed to "shut NWA down." I say good for Dougie and the employees should be grateful at least for that.

what was dougie's compensation after bankruptcy...like 26 million over the next several years? Meanwhile, the folks who literally keep that airline flying took anywhere from 20 to 35 percent reductions in pay. it's no wonder he isn't well liked...!

then you look at delta...went through bankruptcy but came out of it with major employee support, even for the CEO.
hummm...how'd that happen???
 
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RE: NW CEO On Today Show Now

Thu Aug 16, 2007 7:34 am

Quoting Flighty (Reply 5):
But I do not understand why people hate him. In a lot of ways he saved NWA by going through bankruptcy carefully and intelligently.

Sure, I'll give you that. It was careful, and it was, by some standards, intelligent.

When a MX strike was on the horizon, did he try and negotiate to avert a major strike? No...he hired thousands of replacement workers and trained them...knowing that the mechanics would screw themselves over (per se.). Yes, that saved money, but it also gave a quite understandable reason for some people to hate him...
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RE: NW CEO On Today Show Now

Thu Aug 16, 2007 7:46 am

Quoting Flighty (Reply 5):
ANY reasonably good airline CEO costs $1 million a year.

WN's CEO Gary Kelly only takes home a total of just around $1m a year between salary and stock, and I'd put him up there with any airline CEO in the wrorld.

Quoting Flighty (Reply 5):
Doug is definitely out of touch. It is definitely time for him to go. But I do not understand why people hate him. In a lot of ways he saved NWA by going through bankruptcy carefully and intelligently. And he crushed the mechanics union which had vowed to "shut NWA down." I say good for Dougie and the employees should be grateful at least for that.

I hear they are going to erect a statue of Steenland similar monument to Stalin's statue in Red Square when he retires.

 
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RE: NW CEO On Today Show Now

Thu Aug 16, 2007 8:37 am

Quoting Flighty (Reply 5):
Doug is definitely out of touch. It is definitely time for him to go. But I do not understand why people hate him. In a lot of ways he saved NWA by going through bankruptcy carefully and intelligently. And he crushed the mechanics union which had vowed to "shut NWA down." I say good for Dougie and the employees should be grateful at least for that.

Agreed. He did a reasonably good job of steering NWA through bankruptcy. Whether you like it or not, there were a lot of hard decisions that had to be made during that time period. Basically no matter who was the CEO during that period would've been hated just as much by the employees. To put it in perspective NW did a much better job of getting their house in order than UA or US did when they filed.

The board knew Richard Anderson wasn't the guy to make those hard decisions. They brought in Doug and gave him their marching orders. For as much crap as that guy got, and I'm sure had to deal with plenty of threats, insults, let alone getting his image trashed, he deserves the pay for what he accomplished in a business sense. Running a company isn't a one man show, so a lot of the hatred toward Doug needs to be applied toward some others too.

As for the mechanics issue, the AMFA had leaders at the top who were completely out of touch with reality. It was unfortunete they had to take the rank & file down with them, but that situation was at a boiling point long ago. In the end, it was the mechanics who came out looking stupid, not NWA.

Don't get me wrong, I'm trying to patronize Steeland, and I agree that its time for Doug to move on in order to rebuild the airline, but the role of CEO is a balancing act between the needs, wants, and desires of many conflicting interests. That of which I guarantee none of us on here are capable of doing.

Quoting TWFirst (Reply 6):
It wouldn't matter who the CEO of NW is..... NW employees would still find reasons to hate him/her.

Agreed. I strongly believe it will take until the entire older generation of NW employees & management leave/quit/or retire for the mgmt vs. labor rift to heal. Basically anyone who has been around since the mid/late 90's or older will never have faith in management no matter who is at the top.

Quoting FlyABR (Reply 7):
then you look at delta...went through bankruptcy but came out of it with major employee support, even for the CEO.
hummm...how'd that happen???

I wouldn't exactly say major support, but a heck of a lot better than NW, UA, or US. Granted its hard for those no longer employed by DL to complain, but most were not happen about terminating pensions. Its amazing to see how launching a slew of new international routes gives everyone the illusion that everything is great. Of course A.net is not the ideal cross section of employees - apparently it only attracts the rah-rah DL crowd and the anti-NW crowd.
 
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RE: NW CEO On Today Show Now

Thu Aug 16, 2007 8:55 am

Quoting TWFirst (Reply 6):
It wouldn't matter who the CEO of NW is..... NW employees would still find reasons to hate him/her.

So not true, we loved Richard Anderson!!!
 
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RE: NW CEO On Today Show Now

Thu Aug 16, 2007 9:57 am

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 10):
Don't get me wrong, I'm trying to patronize Steeland, and I agree that its time for Doug to move on in order to rebuild the airline, but the role of CEO is a balancing act between the needs, wants, and desires of many conflicting interests. That of which I guarantee none of us on here are capable of doing.

Let me correct myself.....I'm NOT trying to patronize Steeland, and I agree that......
(I really should proofread what I write more)

Quoting Seamefly (Reply 11):
So not true, we loved Richard Anderson!!!

Everyone loved RA in comparison to Dasburg (Dasburgerking).
Everyone loved RA in comparison to Steeland.

Anderson was a good guy, and he did a good job of recognizing the beginning of the industry downturn, even prior to 9/11. He also did a good job in the immediate aftermath of 9/11.

However, its questionable whether he did enough to prevent NW going into Ch.11. There are many theories and opinions out there on his role, take your pick:
1) That they knew that NW was headed toward Ch. 11 anyways, that it was a matter of timing and Anderson didn't want to be the "chainsaw" guy
2) That Anderson didn't act quick enough to make cuts outside of Ch. 11 to avert the situation.

He was a good guy, just got stuck dealing with a lot of crap.
 
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RE: NW CEO On Today Show Now

Thu Aug 16, 2007 10:12 am

Talk about employee realations! I heard the entire SEA line crew (30 scab mechs) quit en masse and went to Boeing!
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RE: NW CEO On Today Show Now

Thu Aug 16, 2007 10:43 am

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 10):
As for the mechanics issue, the AMFA had leaders at the top who were completely out of touch with reality.

Management wouldn't back off a proposal for job cuts of over 50%. What the hell were AMFA leaders supposed to do?

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 10):
The board knew Richard Anderson wasn't the guy to make those hard decisions. They brought in Doug and gave him their marching orders.

Agreed. Steenland was brought in with a mandate from the board to do the dirty work, which he has done. Credit should be given for freezing the pension instead of terminating it. However, the AMFA dealings were shameful. Management had zero interest in working with their employees, choosing instead to replace them with cheaper scab mechanics. This may have also been mandated from the board. Steenland was brought in to do a some ugly things, which he has done well. As they say, every man has their price. We now know Steenland's price.
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RE: NW CEO On Today Show Now

Thu Aug 16, 2007 1:53 pm

It think Steenland and management did a good job re-structuring NWA, but if Steenland was going to be the bad guy anyway, why didn't management just go full boar and make drastic changes like allowing regional to fly unlimited numbers of AC that seat up to 100 passengers. And why did they cave to flight attendants and allow mainline FA's to remain on the international flights rather than hand them over to their south FA's? Furthermore, I don't think NWA put up a hard enough fight in court over the stock from 93. I think NWA management could have easily dumped that stock, and had been saved the task of acutally having to honor it. These are just my thought. I mean, if NWA management is going to be the bad guys anyway, and moral in going to be in the toilet for awhile anyway, I think Steenland could have gone for deeper cuts and even more drastic changes.

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