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Will There Ever Be A New 19/20 Seat Airplane?

Thu Aug 16, 2007 12:17 am

Since the J-32 or B1900 isnt being produced or even a 30 seat aircraft, is there any company that is preparing to make a new generation 19 seat turbo prop? Thanks in advance.
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RE: Will There Ever Be A New 19/20 Seat Airplane?

Thu Aug 16, 2007 12:26 am

What about the new generation of Twin Otters?
 
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RE: Will There Ever Be A New 19/20 Seat Airplane?

Thu Aug 16, 2007 12:37 am

I predict there will be such a sized plane when:

-Fuel cells + hydrogen storage are competitive with Diesel/piston engines

or

-Batteries are competitive with Diesel/piston engines

However, I guess first a small 4 seater aircraft will be built around this technology and a little after that, a larger commuter plane could be built. My guess is 2015-2020.
 
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RE: Will There Ever Be A New 19/20 Seat Airplane?

Tue Aug 28, 2007 11:08 am

Quoting Levent (Reply 1):
What about the new generation of Twin Otters?

Are those even pressurized? Could someone rebuild j-32's or beech start building 1900's again?
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RE: Will There Ever Be A New 19/20 Seat Airplane?

Tue Aug 28, 2007 2:32 pm

(I've been waiting for this topic to come back up since I got a premium account on A net, Thank you ERAUgrad02)

I very much agree that soon (if not already) there is serious demand for a 19-30 seat aircraft that is not being filled by any currently made airframe. The problem I think is especially in the US that due to a decrease in EAS contracts as well as the increasing convenience of cars that the demand for 19 seat aircraft especially has pretty much been erased. There are still a good number of them in good shape flying around that easily satisfies for the most part all the demand the market can create.

However we are already starting to see that this market segment isn't quite dead. Only recently Viking Aircraft in Vancouver has started production of the Twin Otter again. Also Beech 1900D's in good shape are being snapped up like crazy because of demand.

For all these reasons I believe that if you were to produce (and in my limited capacity I've worked on possible designs and business plans centered around such an aircraft) an aircraft to replace aircraft in the 19-30 seat market that it would sell very well and could lead on to greater possibilities for the producing company. If you had an effective, efficient, and reliable aircraft with comfort along the lines of larger aircraft you should be able to do quite well.

Thanks again for bringing up this topic and I look forward to more discussion on the issue.

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RE: Will There Ever Be A New 19/20 Seat Airplane?

Tue Aug 28, 2007 2:36 pm

No doubt there will be. There are just too many thin routes that have higher-priced demand, especially in countries where surface transport isn't practical. Examples abound in New Zealand, where the B1900's do very well on routes like BHE-AKL etc. Who will make them is more of an uncertainty...
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RE: Will There Ever Be A New 19/20 Seat Airplane?

Tue Aug 28, 2007 8:36 pm

Isn't the EMB-120 still in production?
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RE: Will There Ever Be A New 19/20 Seat Airplane?

Wed Aug 29, 2007 1:04 am

Yep the EMB-120 is technically still in production since it is made on the same production line as the ERJ series of aircraft and that you could still order 120's if you wanted to. On that note I've actually been surprised that no airline has picked them up like Skywest or something to replace their older 30 seat aircraft.

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RE: Will There Ever Be A New 19/20 Seat Airplane?

Mon Sep 10, 2007 9:16 pm

Maybe Pilatus can stretch the PC-12 to make a 19 seater. It would need a strengthened structure and an uprated engine. I believe the current wing is big enough - takeoff and landing distances would increase, but as it is, the PC-12 can operate on fairly short fields, so IMO no problems there either.
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RE: Will There Ever Be A New 19/20 Seat Airplane?

Tue Sep 11, 2007 6:33 am

I've often wondered if Beech has the ability to restart production of the 1900, given that the aircraft was based on the King Air series, and those aircraft are still in production.

I would imagine much of the tooling for the 1900 still exists on account of how much in common it has with the King Air, but I could be wrong.

Furthermore, Beechcraft would be able to offer upgraded glass cockpit avionics from the King Air, and perhaps even improved engines and better soundproofing inside (similar to what the Q-series uses). They could call it the 1900E.

Then, to update existing 1900Ds, Beech could offer upgrade programs to put in the new avionics on those airframes. (Maybe call it the 1900D+).

That seems like the most realistic option, and then there's always the idea of starting an airplane from scratch, and perhaps using composites to build a larger, roomier aircraft without increasing the weight too much. This might also improve weight and balance, since the 1900s usually can't take 19 people with a bunch of bags in the back.

But either way, given that there is some demand for 19-seat airplanes, and a finite and shrinking supply to take from, I think a newer aircraft is going to be an inevitable need.
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