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AA Recalls 460 ex-TWA Flight Attendants

Thu Aug 16, 2007 3:27 am

http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/070815/ameri...rlines_flight_attendants.html?.v=2

All of them ex-TWA. Will they be based in STL or across the system?
 
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BOS, DCA, LGA, and ORD
 
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Thu Aug 16, 2007 3:38 am

Well... it's been about 5 years... hopefully many are still willing to come back. Will be great for AA to have their extensive experience on board. Welcome back TW folks!

What's AA's policy on transferring to another FA base? I know most of the current STL base are AA folks made to transfer there after the TW STL base was furloughed.... don't know how many at the AA base now commute in. So, AA now needs to pump up the BOS, DCA, LGA and ORD bases... if STL-based attendants who may live in or closer to these other four bases want to work out of one of those, and the recalled TW attendants want to work out of STL (where presumably many live)... will that be possible?

(edited for typos)

[Edited 2007-08-15 20:51:29]
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Transfers are based on seniority. At this point the flight attendants based in STL are there of their own accord and wish to stay there. The bases open to the recalled flight attendants are those four mentioned above. Before any recalled flight attendant is give a base assignment, American must first clear the transfer list into that base city.
 
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Quoting Aanyc (Reply 3):
Before any recalled flight attendant is give a base assignment, American must first clear the transfer list into that base city.

So, AA surely allows commuting, correct?

Also, per your reply above, once a recalled FA is assigned a base, can they immediately put in for a transfer to another base (i.e. STL)?
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Thu Aug 16, 2007 4:19 am

Wow I thought that they were going to wait until their furlough list expired and just hired new off the street. Anyways good news but they prob will only get 15-30% of laid off workers to come back.
 
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Thu Aug 16, 2007 4:38 am

Quoting RIPCORDD (Reply 5):
Wow I thought that they were going to wait until their furlough list expired and just hired new off the street. Anyways good news but they prob will only get 15-30% of laid off workers to come back.

Of 103 of the TWA folks on the last recall, 83 came back.

[Edited 2007-08-15 21:45:29]
 
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Thu Aug 16, 2007 4:41 am

Quoting MrSTL (Reply 6):
Of 103 of the TWA folks on the last recall, 83 came back.

Congrats and good luck to those folks. Any guess on the number/percentage that returns from this round of 460?

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Quoting MrSTL (Reply 6):
Of 103 of the TWA folks on the last recall, 83 came back.

Of the 83, do you know the breakdown of JFK- vs. STL-based? (and other satellite stations... MSP, LAX, etc.)
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Thu Aug 16, 2007 4:58 am

Quoting Rdwelch (Reply 7):
Congrats and good luck to those folks. Any guess on the number/percentage that returns from this round of 460?

Another board has said that based on the training class set up they expect 350 of 460 to return- take that for what it's worth.



Here is a good article on the current state of affairs regarding a bill introduced by Sen Claire McCaskill and the grassroots push for furlough recall rights extension:

http://www.thestreet.com/_yahoo/news...cm_ven=YAHOO&cm_cat=FREE&cm_ite=NA

[Edited 2007-08-15 22:03:30]
 
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Thu Aug 16, 2007 5:03 am

Quoting RIPCORDD (Reply 5):
Wow I thought that they were going to wait until their furlough list expired and just hired new off the street.

Unfortunately, the way AA thinks: that is ultimately the goal, however, we are in need of F/A's and can't wait any longer. But as you mentioned, 83 came back from the first batch, so we'll have to see how many return with this next recall.

Soon, it will be time to bring on the new F/A's; which, I'm pondering on changing workgroups for (I'd need to apply like anyone else), but don't want to give up my seniority in my work-group. My seniority, which I'm junior to begin with, is rapidly increasing with all the new hires system-wide- I can even transfer to MIA for full-time now!!

But, do I want to deal with passengers on a full-time basis? LOL!  

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Thu Aug 16, 2007 5:04 am

I would assume those that were based at JFK for TWA, there must be a fair amount who could easily be based at LGA now.
 
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Thu Aug 16, 2007 5:11 am

Well it is glad to see that AA is calling back TWA folks, though we know in their blood they last thing they want is ex TWA Folks on board.

Good luck to those ex TWA Folks, serve us proud and remind us of the old days of flying on TWA, yet AA style!

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Thu Aug 16, 2007 5:14 am

Quoting MrSTL (Reply 6):
Of 103 of the TWA folks on the last recall, 83 came back.

Interesting...Are the ex-TWA folks elder F/As with decades experience at TWA, or did most of the "glory day F/As" retire, and the ones going back to AA are the younger ones?

I also wonder what these people were doing for the last 6 years. Were they just working odd jobs waiting to return to flying, or what?
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Thu Aug 16, 2007 5:18 am

I know that APA agreed to a "fence" around STL, so that all ex-TW pilots are senior to all AA pilots in terms of being assigned to STL. That was to prevent AA pilots who may have low seniority at ORD, DFW, MIA, etc from taking advantage of the fact that, technically, all ex-TW pilots are junior to all AA pilots as of the day the TW sale closed.

Did AA's F/A union agree to any sort of "fence" around STL? If there is a "fence" for F/As, then it seems to me that any returning ex-TW F/A could bump an AA F/A out of STL.
 
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Thu Aug 16, 2007 5:20 am

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 13):
Interesting...Are the ex-TWA folks elder F/As with decades experience at TWA, or did most of the "glory day F/As" retire, and the ones going back to AA are the younger ones?

The most junior person being extended an offer for re-employment has a former TWA occupational seniority date of June 23, 1975 and an AA occupational seniority date of April 10, 2001. These recalls will be some of TWA's finest!
 
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Great news for the TWA folks. They have more useful experience than almost anyone else. Congrats to them, AA, and AA's customers who will benefit from their experience.

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Thu Aug 16, 2007 5:29 am

Quoting MrSTL (Reply 15):
The most junior person being extended an offer for re-employment has a former TWA occupational seniority date of June 23, 1975 and an AA occupational seniority date of April 10, 2001. These recalls will be some of TWA's finest!

Wow, that is amazing! Do you know what date the most senior person started?!

Also, I assume these people will be stuck at the bottom of the senority pool, correct? So these ladies who used to fly JFK-LHR and JFK-CAI will now be flying LGA-DCA on an RJ? Any chance for them to ever fly international again, or would it take them too many years from now?
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Thu Aug 16, 2007 5:35 am

Quoting MrSTL (Reply 15):
The most junior person being extended an offer for re-employment has a former TWA occupational seniority date of June 23, 1975 and an AA occupational seniority date of April 10, 2001. These recalls will be some of TWA's finest!

That's excellent to hear, quite frankly... nothing beats experience. These people wouldn't have been flying so long with TWA if they didn't love the job, so it's a great thing that they're being allowed back into the fold!
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Thu Aug 16, 2007 5:38 am

After all this time would a person want to come back? I'm sure most of these people have moved on to better jobs in their minds and are at ease.

If a person comes back off furlough is it possible to be laid off again??
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I imagine many of them went on to other carriers, and assorted other small business opportunities. I can imagine some decided not to work for another airline and start their seniority and pay scale over from scratch and would be willing to leave other jobs to come back to AA with some level of seniority intact.
 
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I suspect 300-350 people will come back from this group. With the seniority, probably 1/2 will retire almost immediately.

The St. Louis Post-Dispatch regularly prints articles about the laid-off TWA people - one pilot was running a garage door install business but said he would jump back in the cockpit in a second. Other people have moved on and won't be coming back, but probably kept their seniority just to complain about being laid off and keeping a media presence for those people who do want to return.

Welcome back TWAers, although that does shoot holes in the common theory (which I agree) that AA was waiting for recall rights to expire. I think there's another 1800-2000 FA's on the furlough list as of now.
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Thu Aug 16, 2007 6:19 am

Quoting Tsaord (Reply 19):
After all this time would a person want to come back? I'm sure most of these people have moved on to better jobs in their minds and are at ease.

If you love the job, love flying, love the industry - then you'd go back in a heartbeat - bad experience or not.

Quoting Tsaord (Reply 19):
If a person comes back off furlough is it possible to be laid off again??

Yes, let's hope there's no more big downturn.
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Thu Aug 16, 2007 6:23 am

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 17):
will now be flying LGA-DCA on an RJ?

First of all, we are talking about AA recalls, not AE. AA flight attendants do not have any involvement with AE.
 
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Thu Aug 16, 2007 6:26 am

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 17):
So these ladies who used to fly JFK-LHR and JFK-CAI will now be flying LGA-DCA on an RJ?

Hm, the ex-TWA flight attendants won't be working American Eagle flights, will they? Perhaps DFW-AUS would be a comparable mainline route.
 
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Thu Aug 16, 2007 6:48 am

Does this move by AA imply that some expansion or growth is coming or are these FAs just normal attrition replacements? (With the a/c situation what it is at AA now and judging by things being said on this board, my guess is it's the latter.)

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Thu Aug 16, 2007 7:40 am

The recalls are based on normal attrition, not growth. The returning TWA F/A's will be returning with a seniority date of April 10, 2001. TWA F/A's don't have any bumping rights over AA F/A's. Their is no fence around STL!

Also, for the record. LGA is the domestic side of the NYC base. JFK is the international side. There will be no TWA F/A's returning immediately into ANY international base. Additionally, they will all have to serve reserve in their respective bases. It will be quite a change. These fine ladies and gent's are TWA's cream of the crop employee's. They haven't seen reserve status in years.

Just a thought!

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Thu Aug 16, 2007 5:14 pm

Quoting AASTEW (Reply 26):
LGA is the domestic side of the NYC base. JFK is the international side.

So the LGA base also works some of the JFK-LAX/SFO/SEA/SAN transcons as well - not too shabby flying - but then again, those tend to go pretty senior I imagine...
 
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Thu Aug 16, 2007 8:18 pm

You can guarantee they will come back and retire immediately. Its guaranteed!
 
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Thu Aug 16, 2007 8:22 pm

Quoting AAJFKSJUBKLYN (Reply 28):
You can guarantee they will come back and retire immediately. Its guaranteed

Wow...That's a pretty strong guarantee, considering only 2 recalled flight attendants have retired since their return on July 24. Anyway, so what if they do. The only thing they basically get for retireing from AA is retireee passes. That is the least AA could do.
 
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Thu Aug 16, 2007 11:30 pm

Quoting AIR757200 (Reply 23):
First of all, we are talking about AA recalls, not AE. AA flight attendants do not have any involvement with AE



Quoting BOSSAN (Reply 24):
Hm, the ex-TWA flight attendants won't be working American Eagle flights, will they? Perhaps DFW-AUS would be a comparable mainline route.

Sorry, my bad...I should have realized that. So they'll be flying LGA-ORD on a Super-80 instead of JFK-LHR on a 747...It's sad...

Quoting AASTEW (Reply 26):
There will be no TWA F/A's returning immediately into ANY international base.

How long would it take somebody at the bottom of the senority list to move up to international flying? What if some of the ex-TW folks have language skills as I'm sure many do...

Quoting AASTEW (Reply 26):
Additionally, they will all have to serve reserve in their respective bases. It will be quite a change. These fine ladies and gent's are TWA's cream of the crop employee's. They haven't seen reserve status in years.

Ouch, poor ladies...They are going to be stuck on reserve along with a bunch of 20-somethings....
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Thu Aug 16, 2007 11:42 pm

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 30):
Quoting BOSSAN (Reply 24):
Hm, the ex-TWA flight attendants won't be working American Eagle flights, will they? Perhaps DFW-AUS would be a comparable mainline route.

Sorry, my bad...I should have realized that. So they'll be flying LGA-ORD on a Super-80 instead of JFK-LHR on a 747...It's sad...

It's been quite along time since TWA flew JFK-LHR on a 747. I'm sure if they are willing to return to AA they realize that they may not be flying the best sequences when they come back. Sometimes reserve is not so bad, some of best trips are assigned to reserves. None the less, welcome back everyone.
 
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It all depends on AA's international growth. Unless, you have a REALLY desired language qualification such as Japanese/Chinese Mandarin/Korean/Greek/Arabic/Swedish. That's their only hope of getting international qualified really fast. Otherwise, AA is pretty well staffed with the other languages at this time. Keep in mind AA's route structure is primarly based around Spanish speaking countries. Spanish speakers are a dime a dozen here at AA, myself being included. Know if AA started flying to lets say Russia, Budapest, Turkey, Prague, Egypt, Korea, then those F/A's might have a better opportunity. Until, then they will have to get comfortable on the Super80 and the occasional 757.

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Fri Aug 17, 2007 12:02 am

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 30):
Ouch, poor ladies...They are going to be stuck on reserve along with a bunch of 20-somethings....

They will be joining other Flight Attendants at AA with 20 years plus of seniority on reserve. So it's not only 20 somethings on reserve any longer.
 
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Please keep in mind that the most junior Original AA F/A on property was hired in early 2001. That would probably make the most junior AA F/A around age 26 or 27yrs old. No spring chickens here sorry!

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Fri Aug 17, 2007 1:47 am

Welcome back to all the recalls!!!

I sure hope we recall some more before the recall rights expire.

I look forward to seeing you!

Quoting AAJFKSJUBKLYN (Reply 28):
You can guarantee they will come back and retire immediately. Its guaranteed!

Who cares if they come back and retire. They are entitled to do that.

Quoting Aanyc (Reply 29):
The only thing they basically get for retireing from AA is retireee passes. That is the least AA could do.

Don't they get the passes if they retire while they are on layoff? That is the way it worked with the agents.

Every TWA employee got passes. The TWA retirees who were retired before AA bought TWA became TWRs. Puts them pretty far down on the list but at least they have benefits. Anyone who retires after the buyout is now a regular D2.

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As a former TWA F/A we all were assigned a Seniority date of 04/01/01 by AA without regard to our real seniority date. This was done inspite of the assurances given to us by AA. When the furloughs were instututed in 2001, and 2002 we were the first to go. There were no TWA F/A with AA. While this may sound like sour grapes, I hope that the furloughed F/A found new positions with other airlines or a new career. AA certainly did not honor their pledge. I for one found a new position with LH then DL and both these airlines treat their F/A with professionalism and respect. Something AA could learn. Hopefully the new F/A will be new hires. I doubt the AA Company spirit has not changed. I for one will happily ignore the "opportunity" to rejoin AA.
 
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Fri Aug 17, 2007 3:04 am

Quoting AJMIA (Reply 35):
Every TWA employee got passes.

I didnt get passes but I did get 2 months furlough pay before the union gave it away. Those furloughed after me got some passes but no furlough pay.
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Fri Aug 17, 2007 3:42 am

Quoting AIR757200 (Reply 10):
Quoting RIPCORDD (Reply 5):
Wow I thought that they were going to wait until their furlough list expired and just hired new off the street.

Unfortunately, the way AA thinks: that is ultimately the goal, however, we are in need of F/A's and can't wait any longer. But as you mentioned, 83 came back from the first batch, so we'll have to see how many return with this next recall.

..if that's the way AA "thinks" then why are they rehiring them?  confused 
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Fri Aug 17, 2007 4:07 am

Quoting B767300ER (Reply 36):
As a former TWA F/A we all were assigned a Seniority date of 04/01/01 by AA without regard to our real seniority date. This was done inspite of the assurances given to us by AA. When the furloughs were instututed in 2001, and 2002 we were the first to go. There were no TWA F/A with AA. While this may sound like sour grapes, I hope that the furloughed F/A found new positions with other airlines or a new career. AA certainly did not honor their pledge. I for one found a new position with LH then DL and both these airlines treat their F/A with professionalism and respect. Something AA could learn. Hopefully the new F/A will be new hires. I doubt the AA Company spirit has not changed. I for one will happily ignore the "opportunity" to rejoin AA.

Actually, the bidding seniority date for those originally hired by TWA is 04/10/01. Pay and vacation seniority was never adjusted. So each former TWA Flight Attendant returning in the last two recalls are at the top step. The only assurances give to any employee hired by TWA during the AA acquisition was from Don Carty. Carty had no business making those promises. In October of 2001 close to 1000 Flight Attendants originally hired were furloughed as well. While some were recalled in early 2002 it was not just TWA Flight Attendants furloughed at that time. As of today close to 2000 have already fallen off the furlough list. The group of furloughees being offered employment have 30 plus years of service. I am surprised based on your age listed in your user profile that you had close to that original seniority. AA has never been know for good management/labor relations and that will never change. If you ever thought differently, I am sorry.
 
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RE: AA Recalls 460 Ex-TWA Flight Attendants

Fri Aug 17, 2007 4:17 am

Quoting B767300ER (Reply 36):
I for one will happily ignore the "opportunity" to rejoin AA.

Good for you, nobody is forcing anyone to return. Why rain on the other 460 former co-workers parade though? Can't you just be happy for those that want to return?
 
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Fri Aug 17, 2007 4:41 am

Quoting B767300ER (Reply 36):
I for one will happily ignore the "opportunity" to rejoin AA.

But while having very low seniority in terms of bidding for trips and crew base assignment, I believe that you would retain your TWA seniority in terms of pay and other benefits.

I'm not sure how TW's pay scale as of April, 2001 compares to AA's current pay scale, but I believe that AA's pay scale as of April, 2001 was signficantly higher than TW's.

Why work at DL at the bottom of there pay scale, when you would be at the top of AA's?
 
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RE: AA Recalls 460 Ex-TWA Flight Attendants

Fri Aug 17, 2007 5:24 am

Quoting B767300ER (Reply 36):
When the furloughs were instututed in 2001, and 2002 we were the first to go. There were no TWA F/A with AA. While this may sound like sour grapes, I hope that the furloughed F/A found new positions with other airlines or a new career. AA certainly did not honor their pledge.

The woe is me attitude is getting kind of old. Life is full of choices. It was a choice to stay with TWA until the end when purchased by AA. Some TWA flight attendants left 20 plus year ago and hired on with other airlines as new hires. No bidding or pay seniority, they started at the bottom of the list. With Airlines such as Braniff, Eastern, and PanAm all going out of business the chances were pretty good that TWA would meet the same fate. 2 bankruptcies with the 3rd leaving no more TWA. How many Braniff, Eastern, and PanAm (other than those hired by DL in 1991) flight attendants retained any form of seniority? None. They all had to interview and start at the bottom. I do not ever wish to see anyone furloughed or lose their job, it just gets old listening to everyone point the finger at someone else. Bottom line the choice was theirs to stay with TWA all those years. I realize that the same thing can happen to AA at any time and could result in me losing my job. If that happens I have myself to blame for sticking around so long.

Just my 2 cents......
 
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RE: AA Recalls 460 Ex-TWA Flight Attendants

Fri Aug 17, 2007 5:34 am

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 38):
..if that's the way AA "thinks" then why are they rehiring them?

The way I see it as a strategic course: Recall them back, let the TWA folks retire and then hire new ones off the street. Its all economics 101. It is a loophole for AA legally. Newly hired FA off the street = cheaper labor.
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RE: AA Recalls 460 Ex-TWA Flight Attendants

Fri Aug 17, 2007 5:45 am

Quoting Ckfred (Reply 41):
Why work at DL at the bottom of there pay scale, when you would be at the top of AA's?

At the end of the day, it's a tradeoff...IIRC, the OP (B767300ER) is currently a TLV / LLBG), Israel">LOD (Language of Destination) FA with Delta and can hold trips to places like TLV and DXB (he/she has written some trip reports in the a.net Trip Reports forum about working some of those flights).....so it's kinda hard to start over on domestic reserve even though the pay may be better?
 
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RE: AA Recalls 460 Ex-TWA Flight Attendants

Fri Aug 17, 2007 5:46 am

Quoting Aanyc (Reply 42):
The woe is me attitude is getting kind of old. Life is full of choices. It was a choice to stay with TWA until the end when purchased by AA. Some TWA flight attendants left 20 plus year ago and hired on with other airlines as new hires. No bidding or pay seniority, they started at the bottom of the list. With Airlines such as Braniff, Eastern, and PanAm all going out of business the chances were pretty good that TWA would meet the same fate. 2 bankruptcies with the 3rd leaving no more TWA. How many Braniff, Eastern, and PanAm (other than those hired by DL in 1991) flight attendants retained any form of seniority? None. They all had to interview and start at the bottom. I do not ever wish to see anyone furloughed or lose their job, it just gets old listening to everyone point the finger at someone else. Bottom line the choice was theirs to stay with TWA all those years. I realize that the same thing can happen to AA at any time and could result in me losing my job. If that happens I have myself to blame for sticking around so long.

Yes, each of us may be responsible for our own destiny and life isn't always fair, but the sentiment expressed by B767300ER stems from the following issue: the AA/TW transaction was negotiated between top management prior to TW's bankruptcy announcement... AA got TW to declare bankruptcy to make it very easy for AA to acquire it... avoiding anti-trust scrutiny, union negotiations, etc. that normally accompany a merger/acquisition. Could/would TW have survived longer without AA? For at least a little while longer, yes. Obviously, we'll never know for sure... most likely 9/11 would have finally done them in. But the issue that B767300ER speaks to is that of basic decency... in January of 2001 when the deal was announced, AA/TW had no knowledge of 9/11, and this deal was essentially an acquisition without all the usual negotiations required for merging seniority lists. TW workers were stripped of any negotiating leverage, but above and beyond that, they had in good faith put in several years service and were just as or more qualified than their AA counterparts...yes, if TW had just been liquidated, all workers wouldn't have had any expectations and would have accepted that they were out of luck and would have to start at the bottom somewhere. But they weren't liquidated. Also. they were very small in number compared to the AA attendant group... the net effect of merging the two groups while retaining TW seniority would have been minimal for AA, and would have been the most ethical and decent thing to do.
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RE: AA Recalls 460 Ex-TWA Flight Attendants

Fri Aug 17, 2007 6:06 am

Quoting TWFirst (Reply 45):
Also. they were very small in number compared to the AA attendant group... the net effect of merging the two groups while retaining TW seniority would have been minimal for AA, and would have been the most ethical and decent thing to do.

Bidding seniority is a precious commidity for flight attendants. This could have greatly affected ones lifestyle. When I was hired over 20 years ago, I was hired by both Eastern and American. I chose American as I wanted to be able to get back to the west coast one day. At the moment I can say I made the right choice. Who knows what tomorrow will bring. When you work for a public company, your job is the hands of someone else. AA lied to those former TWA employees and they lie to AA employees almost every day. This is the way it is and its time for these people to move on.
 
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RE: AA Recalls 460 Ex-TWA Flight Attendants

Fri Aug 17, 2007 6:08 am

Quoting MrSTL (Reply 6):
Of 103 of the TWA folks on the last recall, 83 came back.

im surprised with that. I was under the impression that most of the ex TWA folk were a little bit unhappy with the way that they were treated by AA after the merger..
 
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RE: AA Recalls 460 Ex-TWA Flight Attendants

Fri Aug 17, 2007 6:43 am

This is great news as I feel the TWA folks got sort of a rough break with the AA deal, all though probably not as bad as if TWA had folded on their own. I too wonder what these folks were doing during this time, in six years you could have gone through College, Graduate School and started a new career. I sometimes wonder why people become Flight Attendants, I don't know what it's like but I hear the pay is very low. The main attractions is the lure of travel, which I certainly can appreciate.

There are easier ways to make a living, they could be school teachers. MA+30 with 10 years teaching experience gets you between $85,000-$97,000 per year depending on the school district, plus benefits and Summers and lots of other holidays off. 20 years and you can retire and collect a pension in the neighborhood of 68% of your last years salary plus lifetime benefits.
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RE: AA Recalls 460 Ex-TWA Flight Attendants

Fri Aug 17, 2007 8:00 am

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 43):
Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 38):
..if that's the way AA "thinks" then why are they rehiring them?

The way I see it as a strategic course: Recall them back, let the TWA folks retire and then hire new ones off the street. Its all economics 101. It is a loophole for AA legally. Newly hired FA off the street = cheaper labor.

...all they had to do was wait a few months more (if I understood the situation properly..but that's a whole different discussion.. spin  )...the travel market slows down during the fall/winter season anyway.....
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