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Delta 737-800 Winglets

Fri Aug 17, 2007 5:55 am

I understand that 28 of Delta's 737-800s will be getting winglets. However, 28 of them will also get the new Transcon IFE. Seems like an interesting coincedence.

The question I would like to ask is that are the 737-800s that will be getting winglets the same aircraft that will get the new IFE?
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RE: Delta 737-800 Winglets

Fri Aug 17, 2007 6:03 am

They are the same aircraft. It said it in the press release.

It's 38 btw.

http://news.delta.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=10746

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RE: Delta 737-800 Winglets

Fri Aug 17, 2007 6:41 am

Quoting Alitalia744 (Reply 1):
It's 38 btw.

Isn't it 38 73NGs -i.e., 28 737-800s and the 10 new 737-700s?
 
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RE: Delta 737-800 Winglets

Fri Aug 17, 2007 6:44 am

Quoting Panamair (Reply 2):
Isn't it 38 73NGs -i.e., 28 737-800s and the 10 new 737-700s?

yep, for now that is.
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RE: Delta 737-800 Winglets

Fri Aug 17, 2007 9:21 am

I think the prototype for the IFE upgrade is about to go in to get the mod. It should take a couple of weeks because it is the first.
 
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RE: Delta 737-800 Winglets

Fri Aug 17, 2007 9:35 am

How are they adding 10 additional seats in the 738's? Slimline seats?
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RE: Delta 737-800 Winglets

Fri Aug 17, 2007 10:28 am

Quoting TristarCrazy (Reply 5):
How are they adding 10 additional seats in the 738's? Slimline seats?

I recall when I flew a DL 738, the rear of the plane had maybe 5 rows of seats taken out. Assuming that's still the case, I would imagine it's not too hard for DL to add those seats.
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RE: Delta 737-800 Winglets

Sat Aug 18, 2007 1:03 am

Quoting LHboyatDTW (Reply 6):
I recall when I flew a DL 738, the rear of the plane had maybe 5 rows of seats taken out. Assuming that's still the case, I would imagine it's not too hard for DL to add those seats.

I believe that was so they didn't need a 4th F/A.
 
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RE: Delta 737-800 Winglets

Mon Aug 20, 2007 7:34 am

I noticed on my checkmytrip.com reservation that JFK-SFO 757 service was replaced by 737-800 (eff. winter timetable). To my great disappointment I have to add.
 
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RE: Delta 737-800 Winglets

Mon Aug 20, 2007 7:45 am

Quoting Positiverate (Reply 7):
I believe that was so they didn't need a 4th F/A.

In Delta's configuration, the 727-200, which was the predecessor of the 737-800 in Delta's fleet, seated 149 passengers. Delta configured the 737-800s this way for the 737-800s to be a near-direct replacement for the 727 in terms of capacity. Also, you are right about that Delta doesn't need a fourth FA.

Currently, the 737-800 and MD-90 seat the same total number of passengers. The MD-90 seats more economy class passengers, while the 737-800 seats more Domestic First passengers. I think Delta is doing this to differentiate the seating capacity from the MD-88 and MD-90. The MD-88 has only eight fewer seats than the 737-800/MD-90. With the new slimline seats, the 737-800 will seat 160 passengers total.

Quoting L410Turbolet (Reply 8):
I noticed on my checkmytrip.com reservation that JFK-SFO 757 service was replaced by 737-800 (eff. winter timetable). To my great disappointment I have to add.

There is the possibility that you may get one of the 737-800s with the new seats and IFE. The installation should start sometime in the fall.

I personally prefer the interiors of the 737-800 over the 757. Most of the newer 757s are in Transcon configuration though. Some of the non-Transcon 757s have new PSUs installed, but I don't think that Delta is doing anymore PSU updates, unfortunately. None of the older Transcon 757s have the new PSUs.
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RE: Delta 737-800 Winglets

Mon Aug 20, 2007 7:53 am

Quoting TristarCrazy (Reply 5):
How are they adding 10 additional seats in the 738's? Slimline seats?

They are removing 2 aisle facing galley positions from the aft galley. There already exists enough space behind the last row of seats on the Captain's side of the aircraft to allow an additional row of 3 seats. This space was left to keep capacity at 150 to avoid having to staff an extra F/A for 3 customers. Also, the last row on the Captain's side had 2 seats for the same reason. So by adding the third seat to that row, one set of 3 seats on the Captain's side in the space indicated above, and adding a full row of 6 where the galleys currently are, adds up to a total addition of 10 seats. The slimline seats are just an added benefit to allow a little more space. I'm not sure if the slimline seats alone will increase seat pitch.
 
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RE: Delta 737-800 Winglets

Mon Aug 20, 2007 8:02 am

Quoting MCOAviationFan (Reply 10):
The slimline seats are just an added benefit to allow a little more space. I'm not sure if the slimline seats alone will increase seat pitch.

For most of the domestic 767-300s, new seats are required to install PTVs. The seat backs are too short:

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Imagine trying to fit PTVs in those seats. The PTV would have to have a tiny screen. The new seats will be tall enough to fit standard size PTVs.
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RE: Delta 737-800 Winglets

Mon Aug 20, 2007 8:05 am

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 9):
Delta configured the 737-800s this way for the 737-800s to be a near-direct replacement for the 727 in terms of capacity.

Spoke to a friend in scehduling at DL and asked about your theory. She confirmed that they were configured the way they were so that they didnt need a 4th F/A on the airplane.
 
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RE: Delta 737-800 Winglets

Mon Aug 20, 2007 9:01 am

Quoting Positiverate (Reply 12):
Spoke to a friend in scehduling at DL and asked about your theory. She confirmed that they were configured the way they were so that they didnt need a 4th F/A on the airplane.

Yes, I understand. I stated both reasons. Talk about selective quoting.
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RE: Delta 737-800 Winglets

Mon Aug 20, 2007 9:23 am

Quoting Positiverate (Reply 12):
Spoke to a friend in scehduling at DL and asked about your theory. She confirmed that they were configured the way they were so that they didnt need a 4th F/A on the airplane.

The 738s were actually delivered as 16/138. After 9/11, two full rows were removed on the port side to reduce minimum staffing requirements. A partial row of 2 seats was later added to bring capacity to exactly 150.
 
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RE: Delta 737-800 Winglets

Mon Aug 20, 2007 9:47 am

Quoting Sxf24 (Reply 14):
The 738s were actually delivered as 16/138. After 9/11, two full rows were removed on the port side to reduce minimum staffing requirements. A partial row of 2 seats was later added to bring capacity to exactly 150.

I don't see any reasoning behind this. Why would 9/11 have any effect on staffing requirements? Has any other airline done the same?

Also, the winged headrests on the 737-800 seats were removed. Hopefully the new seats feature winged headrests. The current seats on the 737-800s are rather tall, however, these new seats on the domestic 767-300s will be an even greater improvement over their current seats. My past two flights on domestic 767-300s both had the leather seat covers, but Delta is not currently updating any of them as they are slated to get the new seats.
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RE: Delta 737-800 Winglets

Mon Aug 20, 2007 9:55 am

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 15):
Why would 9/11 have any effect on staffing requirements? Has any other airline done the same?

Airlines needed to drastically cut costs due to reduced demand for air travel(pax afraid of flying).