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India Aviation Thread: Part 58

Sat Aug 18, 2007 2:36 am

The linked article suggests that MAA-LAX via BRU is part of Jet Airways future plan. I can see my Mom using this service to visit me, over the MAA-BKK-LAX on Thai that she took on her current visit. She gets to avoid the long layover at BKK, and the language barrier that she faced on Thai Air. She also indicated a preference for two 10 hour segments to a 4 and 16 hour segments to reach LAX. The icing on the cake will be the same aircraft service to LAX.

I hope this happens soon.

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/...tal_Europe/articleshow/2258858.cms
 
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RE: India Aviation Thread: Part 58

Sat Aug 18, 2007 2:41 am

Quoting LAXDESI (Thread starter):

I guess slots in BLR are hard to get till the new airport opens next year. MAA-BRU-LAX, sounds very interesting. Its about time cities other than BOM, DEL get intl. service especially for people from south India who had to connect via BOM or DEL in the past. Good work 9W, hope this suggestion turns out to be true.

So, will 9W still launch BLR-PVG-SFO , maybe from 2008 summer, when the new BLR airport opens???
Or will they stick to one-stop via BRU even to the N. American west coast???
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RE: India Aviation Thread: Part 58

Sat Aug 18, 2007 2:42 am

LAXDESI
Does TG have a decent connection to MAA from BKK. I thought the MAA-BKK leg is not a direct since the BKK-MAA continued on to DXB.
 
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RE: India Aviation Thread: Part 58

Sat Aug 18, 2007 2:48 am

The FAA yesterday (August 16th, 2007) issued the final STC's of the AI B747-400 retrofit program. That means VT-EVA, which was the prototype of this modification, is now airworthy and work on the next a/c will be able to begin, after all the parts are PMA'd.

Congrat's to all parties involved !
 
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RE: India Aviation Thread: Part 58

Sat Aug 18, 2007 2:52 am

Quoting Vtmaa (Reply 2):
Does TG have a decent connection to MAA from BKK. I thought the MAA-BKK leg is not a direct since the BKK-MAA continued on to DXB.

TG flies 4x week from MAA to BKK. The flight originates from DXB, and leaves MAA around 12:20 a.m. and lands at BKK around 5:50 a.m. The connecting non-stop BKK-LAX flight leaves around 7:30 p.m.-- a layover of about 12 hours with hotel, transportation, and meals provided by TG-- and lands at LAX around 9:30 p.m.

On the return to MAA from LAX, the layover at BKK is around 3 hours.
 
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RE: India Aviation Thread: Part 58

Sat Aug 18, 2007 3:10 am

Update on Air India at Amritsar - Expansion and more routes on the way

In an interview with The Tribue, Air India's Passenger Sales Manager (Mr Anil Sabharwal), confirmed the following expansion of the airline's flights from Amritsar:


  • Amritsar-Birmingham-Toronto to be upgraded to daily, from the current 5 weekly by year end
  • Amritsar-Dubai to be upgraded to 6 weekly from September
  • Amritsar-San Francisco flights by December 2007 / January 2008
  • Amritsar-Vancouver fights by December 2007 / January 2008
  • Amritsar-New York JFK flights (via DEL & LHR) confirmed to begin on September 11th 2007


Source: The Tribune

Explaining the reasons for this expansion at Amritsar, Mr Sabharwal commented:

"The Punjab market has tremendous scope. We are starting our new flights as we are now getting a brand new fleet of aircraft, including new generation Boeing 777 aircraft. The civil aviation sector has been recording unprecedented growth [in Punjab] which is safely above 35 per cent per annum. We are expanding our operations in the north irrespective of new international flights started by Jet Airways. Since the growth is phenomenal, there is enough for every carrier,"

While this good news for Amritsar, I have to admit I didn't see Air India announcing Amritsar-San Francisco and Amritsar-Vancouver! And to be honest, I still feel I will only believe it when I see it. I doubt these will be direct flights to SFO and YVR - maybe 1-stop .ATQ-FRA-SFO, or will it more likely be ATQ-DEL-FRA-SFO?

[Edited 2007-08-17 20:38:45]
 
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RE: India Aviation Thread: Part 58

Sat Aug 18, 2007 3:34 am

More Promising News about Jet Airways ops at Amritsar

Following publication for CAA data for July, it seems Jet Airways' Amritsar-London flights are continuing to perform well. July saw a load factor of 81.6%.

Source: CAA

Just to give some perspective, you can see below how this route has performed for 9W since it began in August 2006. I must say, it does look encouraging. Interestingly, the months which saw the highest load factors (Feb & March) were those which saw 9W operate ATQ-LHR six weekly.

    2006
  • AUG & SEP - average load factor of 66%
  • OCT, NOV & DEC - average load factor of 79%

    2007
  • JAN - average load factor of 79%
  • FEB - average load factor of 86%
  • MAR - average load factor of 92%
  • MAY - average load factor of 84%
  • JUN - average load factor of 80%
  • JUL - average load factor of 81.6%

Here's wishing 9W continued success on all its international routes. With rave reviews of 9W, particularly from the UK, I'm sure 9W will do well.

[Edited 2007-08-17 20:37:12]
 
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RE: India Aviation Thread: Part 58

Sat Aug 18, 2007 1:24 pm

SpiceJet to start non-stop Delhi-Kochi flight on Aug 29.
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/..._on_Aug_29/articleshow/2289475.cms

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SpiceJet, low-cost airline, which had already started its operations to Kochi (via Bangalore), would introduce direct flight from Delhi to Kochi from August 29, a top airline official said on Friday.

Speaking to reporters at the International Airport here, Ajay Singh, Director, SpiceJet, said the first flight to Kochi, via Bangalore had already started from August 15, commemorating 60th anniversary of India's independence, while the second direct flight from Delhi to Kochi was scheduled for August 29.

This year SpiceJet would add six more new Boeing aircraft and the increased fleet size will help the airline in adding more destinations to its existing network, increasing its daily flights to 130 from the present 89, he said.
 
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RE: India Aviation Thread: Part 58

Sat Aug 18, 2007 2:59 pm

Aviation policy meet 'inconclusive.' Looks like NG has his friends in GoM to oppose the policy change to 3 years for international flying.
http://www.business-standard.com/com...=294590&leftnm=3&subLeft=0&chkFlg=

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The Group of Ministers (GoM) constituted to clear the new civil aviation policy has decided to meet again in this session of Parliament as its short meeting today remained “inconclusive.”

The 10-member GoM chaired by External Affairs Minister Pranab Mukherjee attended a presentation on the key features of the proposed policy by Civil Aviation Secretary Ashok Chawla, which among other things seeks lowering the eligibility criteria for Indian carriers to fly on international routes, from the existing five years to three years. The move would allow many Indian private carriers, including Air Deccan, Kingfisher and SpiceJet, to fly abroad.

In the June 15 Cabinet meeting, at least eight Cabinet ministers opposed the policy. Pranab Mukherjee was believed to have raised concerns over air traffic congestion.
 
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RE: India Aviation Thread: Part 58

Sat Aug 18, 2007 3:05 pm

SpiceJet expects to fly overseas by next year.
http://www1.economictimes.indiatimes..._next_year/articleshow/2288689.cms

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Domestic low-cost carrier SpiceJet on Friday said it may to start flights to overseas destinations with the relaxation of civil aviation policy for new carriers to fly abroad. "By next year we expect to get a license to fly abroad. We will fly shorter destinations, which are similar to those we are operating in India," Spicejet Director Ajay Singh told media.

Asked about the possible destinations, he said it has not been finalised yet as the government policy was not clear.
"We have not finalised any destination. There is not much of clarity on the new aviation policy but we believe that government has relaxed norms for minimum flying experience to three years form the earlier five years," Singh said.

On the company's fleet expansion plans, he said with $350-400 million loan from the US Exim expected to be cleared the carrier would add 10 aircraft between 2009 and 2011. "About $80 million raised recently through debt and equity has been used for advances for the 10 new planes," he added.
 
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RE: India Aviation Thread: Part 58

Sat Aug 18, 2007 10:27 pm

Sid Sharma at SpiceJet told me that they'll look at Gulf and SE Asia routes from DEL, BOM, BLR - DXB, SHJ, BKK. Anyway, BIAL has set a date of April 2, two-three weeks after HYD.
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RE: India Aviation Thread: Part 58

Sun Aug 19, 2007 12:10 am

Quoting Cricket (Reply 10):
Just working on a major aviation strory - spent time with the Secretary yesterday, more updates in a while.

Anything on international flying norms?
 
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RE: India Aviation Thread: Part 58

Sun Aug 19, 2007 1:02 am

Quoting LAXDESI (Thread starter):
The linked article suggests that MAA-LAX via BRU is part of Jet Airways future plan

So MAA-BRU will be back online first time after 2001! Sabena Airlines used to serve this route thrice a week and was always full with US bound passengers - route was operated till the end of Sebena.
 
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RE: India Aviation Thread: Part 58

Sun Aug 19, 2007 1:28 am

Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 11):
Anything on international flying norms?

That will be decided by the committee...


As regards 9W discussion.. this is from the horse's mouth - transcript of an email sent by 9W to a colleague.

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From 5th August 2007, Jet Airways has commenced daily operations between Mumbai and Newark via Brussels with B777-300ERs. This will be followed by commencement of operations between Delhi and Toronto via Brussels from 5th September 2007. Brussels will, therefore, be an important hub for Jet Airways in Europe, where arrival and departure of flights will be synchronized in order to provide passenger transfer access between Delhi & Newark and between Mumbai and Toronto. Jet Airways is planning to introduce a Delhi-Brussels- New York (JFK) flight from Winter 2007 with the Toronto flight thereafter originating in Chennai.

Progressively, the airline will be connecting more cities between India and North America over the Brussels hub to link cities such as Bangalore, Ahmedabad, Chennai and Hyderabad in India to New York, Los Angeles, Chicago and Vancouver in North America.

Effective Winter 2007, Jet Airways also be upgrading its product on the India/ Singapore-Kula Lumpur routes by replacing the current B737s by the wide body A330s.

In addition to the above, and subject to relevant regulatory approvals, future expansion plans by March 2008 include daily frequencies between Mumbai-Shanghai-San Francisco, Mumbai-Hong Kong and Delhi-Hong Kong, Mumbai-Johannesburg and Mumbai-Nairobi, Delhi-Dhaka and Kolkata-Dhaka routes.

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RE: India Aviation Thread: Part 58

Sun Aug 19, 2007 3:39 am

Quoting Cricket (Reply 13):
Jet Airways is planning to introduce a Delhi-Brussels- New York (JFK) flight from Winter 2007 with the Toronto flight thereafter originating in Chennai.

How about a service to SFO or LAX before starting one to JFK, as Jet already flies to EWR. I know many elderly people who are acutely missing the AI LAX-FRA-BOM flight, and are forced to fly Asian airlines but are not happy about it.
 
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RE: India Aviation Thread: Part 58

Sun Aug 19, 2007 10:12 am

Looks like we'll (finally) be seeing AI and/or 9W sooner rather than later in YVR.

Finally.

A huge untapped PTP market that has been neglected for years.

Question: why is it Amritsar that seems to be the main point of expansion for AI.
When I read the article about Air India planning Amritsar - Vancouver, I would have expected Delhi - Vancouver?

I am not that familiar with India, but would be curious if somebody could shed the light on the popularity of Amritsar.
 
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RE: India Aviation Thread: Part 58

Sun Aug 19, 2007 2:46 pm

has any one seen the JET Lite livery...or is Jet going keep the same....
 
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RE: India Aviation Thread: Part 58

Sun Aug 19, 2007 3:20 pm

Quoting YVR1968 (Reply 15):
I am not that familiar with India, but would be curious if somebody could shed the light on the popularity of Amritsar.

Most traffic on that route comes from Punjab (a state in north india). Amritsar would cater to all that traffic, without having the pax to travel 10 hours to Delhi.......
 
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RE: India Aviation Thread: Part 58

Sun Aug 19, 2007 5:32 pm

Quoting AirIndia (Reply 17):
Most traffic on that route comes from Punjab (a state in north india). Amritsar would cater to all that traffic, without having the pax to travel 10 hours to Delhi.......

Well there you go. Thanks for the info.

I realise a vast majority of the Indian population in Vancouver comes from the Punjab. I would expect the flight to continue to DEL as well perhaps?

Call me naive but I had never even heard of Amritsar until I saw the movie "Bride and Prejudice."  Smile
 
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RE: India Aviation Thread: Part 58

Sun Aug 19, 2007 6:25 pm

Quoting YVR1968 (Reply 18):
realise a vast majority of the Indian population in Vancouver comes from the Punjab. I would expect the flight to continue to DEL as well perhaps?

Thats why the flights from Amritsar. Amritsar has been among the most important cities in Punjab, but politically not strong enough to be capital. It was always under the shadows of Lahore and remianed a religious center. Post partition, due to heavy immigration of sikh population from pakistan, the city developed prominence and has become an important cultural as well as political center (seat of Akal Takht).

Apart from that the city is represnted in the indian parliament by Mr. Navjot Sidhu, he was known to be a big hitter of sixes and thats why perhaps so many flights out of amritsar (like sixes out of ther stadium)........... this was perhaps a bad joke, a real loss of creativity but then what do you expect on the fist day of the week.... Big grin Big grin Big grin
 
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RE: India Aviation Thread: Part 58

Sun Aug 19, 2007 6:33 pm

Quoting AirIndia (Reply 19):
this was perhaps a bad joke, a real loss of creativity but then what do you expect on the fist day of the week

Guru, beginning of the week blues huh! Same here !!!
(For the rest of you out here Sunday is the first day of the work week).

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RE: India Aviation Thread: Part 58

Sun Aug 19, 2007 11:13 pm

Quoting YVR1968 (Reply 18):
Call me naive but I had never even heard of Amritsar until I saw the movie "Bride and Prejudice."

Don't feel too bad about that....most Americans think that Bangalore is the only city in India.... Big grin
 
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RE: India Aviation Thread: Part 58

Mon Aug 20, 2007 3:40 am

Quoting Cricket (Reply 13):

Again, no mention of starting operations to IAD, i wonder when the Indian carriers will realize the potential of the washington DC metro area travelers to the Indian Sub-continent??!!??
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RE: India Aviation Thread: Part 58

Mon Aug 20, 2007 1:49 pm

Mumbai’s runway to run into the sea.
http://avindia.blogspot.com/

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An extended runway at Juhu that goes into the Arabian Sea - this is what the aviation think tank is currently mulling over to deal with congestion and saturation issues at the space-starved Mumbai Chhatrapati Shivaji International Airport (CSIA).

Currently with the AAI, the Juhu runway system has two runways - a main runway with a length of 1,143 metres (of which only about 600 metres is actually available) and a cross runway with a length of about 752 metres.
MIAL’s Aviation Advisor Pamidi Prasad Rao said, “The runway can extend into the Arabian Sea because the continental shelf, which is the slope between the earth and the inside of the sea, is less. This is an advantage. Also, if considering such a proposal, there has to be a runway correction at Juhu so that it can be used as a parallel runway.”

According to SRR Rao, regional executive director of AAI (western region), the entire feasibility study was done keeping in mind what will happen to the structures, roads and buildings in the vicinity. In fact, the Juhu Airport, if allowed to extend the runway into the sea, will also be able to serve bigger aircraft. The MIAL also said that it is possible to have a taxi-track between Santa Cruz and Juhu airports and allow them to function independently.
 
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Mon Aug 20, 2007 3:45 pm

Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 23):
An extended runway at Juhu that goes into the Arabian Sea - this is what the aviation think tank is currently mulling over to deal with congestion and saturation issues at the space-starved Mumbai Chhatrapati Shivaji International Airport (CSIA).

Talking to Ashok Chawla, he said Kalyan first, Juhu is unworkable - you're going to go straight through the Juhu-Tara road, through the beach - through Mocha! (No!!!!!) The costs are going to only a bit lunatic.
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RE: India Aviation Thread: Part 58

Mon Aug 20, 2007 5:37 pm

Quoting Cricket (Reply 24):
Talking to Ashok Chawla, he said Kalyan first, Juhu is unworkable - you're going to go straight through the Juhu-Tara road, through the beach - through Mocha! (No!!!!!) The costs are going to only a bit lunatic.

Runway over the JT road would need to be elevated.
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RE: India Aviation Thread: Part 58

Mon Aug 20, 2007 7:06 pm

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 25):
Runway over the JT road would need to be elevated.

But really, the costs of this are going to be crazy, even if the runway is aligned 09/27 landing from the East is going to be impossible unless you have a massively displaced treshold. Activating Juhu is like saying that Delhi should activate Safdarjung!
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Mon Aug 20, 2007 8:57 pm

By Kalyan, do you mean the new site around Panvel talked about earlier, or is this a different site altogether? In any case Mumbai needs a new airport urgently.

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Mon Aug 20, 2007 9:16 pm

Quoting BigTom (Reply 27):
By Kalyan, do you mean the new site around Panvel talked about earlier, or is this a different site altogether? In any case Mumbai needs a new airport urgently.

There is a IAF base - used mainly for choppers and the occasional An-32 and Ilyushin 76 that already exists. The MoCA is talking about activating this on a temporary basis, particularly for small planes, since the Civil Aviation Secy admits that it will be impossible to allot more slots at BOM for ATR's or CRJ's during rush hour. Given that BOM effectively has a 14-hour long rush hour, (0600-2000) I wonder when ATR's will fly? However, there are legal issues (with MIAL) which need to be resolved before that can be started up.
The Panvel site is on the Panvel bypass - the toll road you take to JNPT. The site is earmarked for an airport, from what I've heard the bidding will be pretty intense for that airport. However, the Ministry admits that any new airport will take at least 48 months to start and with an evaluation still happening, nothing will fly from there before 2013 at the earliest.
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Mon Aug 20, 2007 9:20 pm

Cricket, thanks for clearing that up. So I suppose good ole CST will have to serve Mumbai for the foreseeable future. I hope they manage to clear the slums and get the expansion going quickly.

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Mon Aug 20, 2007 9:27 pm

Quoting BigTom (Reply 29):
I hope they manage to clear the slums and get the expansion going quickly.

You know the funniest part, a senior MoCA official even admitted that the correct term isn't 'land-locked' but 'slum-locked'...
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Mon Aug 20, 2007 9:39 pm

Quoting Cricket (Reply 26):
But really, the costs of this are going to be crazy,

True & with both Runways of both Airports almost aligned.Its not worth it.

If only the political will to move those slums existed.BOM Airport could be expanded.
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Mon Aug 20, 2007 11:12 pm

Quoting BigTom (Reply 27):
By Kalyan, do you mean the new site around Panvel talked about earlier, or is this a different site altogether? In any case Mumbai needs a new airport urgently.

Kalyan (N.E. of BOM) and Panvel (S.E. of BOM) are miles apart....both places currently suffer from poor connectivity by road, to Mumbai city....roads and highways will have to be built to make it feasible to have airports at either of these location....

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 31):
True & with both Runways of both Airports almost aligned.Its not worth it.

But they have parallel runways at so many airports in the world.....why not BOM and Juhu? Juhu airport could be used for all the small ATR and CRJ type of traffic without too much runway expansion and if the politicans get over themselves and allow the slum clearance, BOM can be expanded considerably......the two airports are close enough to build a monorail connection or something like that, to transport pax.....

There would be no need for all these crazy projects at Panvel and Kalyan.....
 
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Tue Aug 21, 2007 12:14 am

Planning commission supports finance ministry's proposal to allow higher stakes in domestic airlines by foreign airlines. If it is OK for AI to consider buying JAT, why not let foreign airlines buy Indian carriers or start new ones?
http://avindia.blogspot.com/

The Planning Commission is supporting the finance ministry in allowing foreign airlines pick up stakes in domestic aviation companies. The finance ministry favours a higher foreign direct investment limit in aviation than the present 49 per cent. It also wants equity investments by foreign airlines, at least as minority partners.

North Block feels foreign airlines can bring not only the much-needed funds but also technical expertise in the aviation sector. A group of ministers has been formed on the proposed civil aviation policy after differences arose over foreign investments and other issues.

Planning Commission officials said the body was expected to support the finance ministry on the issue and had already prepared internal policy papers. However, the civil aviation ministry, backed by established players such as Jet Airways and Air India, feels foreign airlines are interested in India merely to feed global routes.

Support for foreign airlines has come from smaller players such as SpiceJet which are facing mounting pressure on their bottomlines.
 
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Tue Aug 21, 2007 12:18 pm

Airlines may have to pay for delayed take-off .
http://www.hindustantimes.com/StoryP...may+have+to+pay+for+take-off+delay


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Indian carriers may soon feel like children punished for being late to school. The Directorate General of Civil Aviation (DGCA) is planning to implement “slotting” of flights by January 2008. This means any flight that fails to take off on time will be grounded for several hours.

"A delay of 10-15 minutes is permissible but any flight delayed beyond that will be allowed to fly only in the subsequent lean period," said AK Chopra, joint deputy general, DGCA. “For instance, if a flight scheduled to take off at 8 am gets delayed by an hour, it will be allowed to fly only after the peak hour. The idea is to improve on-time performance and lessen air congestion."

What happens to passengers who are stuck in a punished flight? “Passengers will begin to avoid such carriers. That would simply force airlines to improve their on-time performance,” said Chopra.

According to directorate records, national carriers Air India and Indian and low-cost carrier Air Deccan have the most worst on-time performance. In the last year, the three managed to take off on time only on 40-50 per cent of occasions. Other domestic carriers like Kingfisher, Jet Airways, GoAir, SpiceJet and Indigo did much better with 80 per cent on-time performance.
 
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RE: India Aviation Thread: Part 58

Tue Aug 21, 2007 2:10 pm

Where exactly is this airfield in Kalyan? I am not able to locate it on Google Earth.
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RE: India Aviation Thread: Part 58

Tue Aug 21, 2007 10:39 pm

Quoting Himmat01 (Reply 35):
Where exactly is this airfield in Kalyan? I am not able to locate it on Google Earth.

Is there an airport there or is it just a proposed site (like the one at Panvel)? I never heard of any airport out near Kalyan in all these years.....
 
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RE: India Aviation Thread: Part 58

Wed Aug 22, 2007 1:10 am

Not sure how valid this is, why would Jet want to start another EWR service. Could this be for a different US destination?

Jet Airways to introduce Chennai-Brussels-Newark flight
http://www.hinduonnet.com/thehindu/holnus/006200708212121.htm

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"Chennai, Aug. 21 (PTI): Jet Airways will be introducing Chennai-Brussels-Newark flight from November 5 with an initial schedule of four flights a week and would increase the frequency to daily flights by December, a top Jet Airways official said"
 
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Wed Aug 22, 2007 1:16 am

Quoting VTMAA (Reply 37):
Quotes:
"Chennai, Aug. 21 (PTI): Jet Airways will be introducing Chennai-Brussels-Newark flight from November 5 with an initial schedule of four flights a week and would increase the frequency to daily flights by December, a top Jet Airways official said"

Is it possible that they are just starting a MAA-BRU flight, which will feed into the other 9W flights to EWR, YYZ and other locations to be started....?
 
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RE: India Aviation Thread: Part 58

Wed Aug 22, 2007 1:23 am

Quoting Gr8Circle (Reply 38):
Is it possible that they are just starting a MAA-BRU flight, which will feed into the other 9W flights to EWR, YYZ and other locations to be started....?

I agree, that might be a possibility. This would be in line with taking advantage of a scissor hub operation in BRU. One way or the other, as long as they have connectivity to MAA from BRU I am happy!!
 
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RE: India Aviation Thread: Part 58

Wed Aug 22, 2007 2:04 am

Air Deccan mulls fare hike upto Rs 1,000

Quote:
Low-cost carrier Air Deccan on Tuesday said it plans to increase fares in a range of Rs 500-1,000 and expects to break-even by early next fiscal.

"Air Deccan has to hike fares to become profitable...it is in the interest of the consumers and the industry as we have to be profitable to be operational," Air Deccan Chairman and Managing Director G R Gopinath told reporters on the sidelines of CII Marketing Summit here.
...

On being asked whether Air Deccan was open to co-branding with Kingfisher Airlines, which earlier this year acquired a 26 per cent stake in the company, Gopinath said: "We would do everything needed to help kingfisher fly abroad. We can also look at co-branding if need be."
 
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RE: India Aviation Thread: Part 58

Wed Aug 22, 2007 2:40 am

From other thread...

Kingfisher Applies for BLR-NYC/SFO

Quoting Laxintl (Thread starter):
Long awaited news...

Quote:
UB Group Plans US Flights In 2008
August 21, 2007

India's UB Group plans to start flights to the United States by April 2008 through either Kingfisher Airlines or Air Deccan, in which it recently bought a stake, chairman Vijay Mallya said on Tuesday.

UB filed applications with U.S authorities for flights from India's IT hub of Bangalore to New York and San Francisco, he said.

India only permits airlines that have been operational for at least five years to fly overseas. Private airline operators have been lobbying for that rule to be relaxed as the domestic market gets increasingly crowded and competitive.

"Air Deccan will be five years old in 2008. If norms for flying abroad are not relaxed, we will fly Air Deccan," Mallya told reporters on the sidelines of a business conference.

UB (Holdings) owns 83 percent in two-year-old Kingfisher. It bought 26 percent in budget carrier Deccan Aviation in May and has made an open offer to buy a further 20 percent.

Full story;
http://news.airwise.com/story/view/1187705389.html

DOT application (in Kingfisher name)
http://dmses.dot.gov/docimages/pdf102/481159_web.pdf
from star dust....
 
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RE: India Aviation Thread: Part 58

Wed Aug 22, 2007 4:51 am

Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 34):
A delay of 10-15 minutes is permissible but any flight delayed beyond that will be allowed to fly only in the subsequent lean period," said AK Chopra, joint deputy general, DGCA. “For instance, if a flight scheduled to take off at 8 am gets delayed by an hour, it will be allowed to fly only after the peak hour. The idea is to improve on-time performance and lessen air congestion."

These plans only look good on paper i dont think it is practical, if such a situation as mentioned in the article does arise, be sure that the Airlines will simply blame it on the AAI and after several media and passenger outbursts against the "govt policy"--and typical parliament walk out sessions---The rule if ever implemented will be removed

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RE: India Aviation Thread: Part 58

Wed Aug 22, 2007 6:37 am

Quoting VTMAA (Reply 37):
Not sure how valid this is, why would Jet want to start another EWR service. Could this be for a different US destination?

Jet Airways to introduce Chennai-Brussels-Newark flight
http://www.hinduonnet.com/thehindu/holnus/006200708212121.htm

I don't know which of these two is correct, but at least looks like MAA is going to be back on the North American radar, a year after DL pulled out.

" Jet to launch Chennai-Toronto flight via Brussels on Nov 5

http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/...08/22/stories/2007082252691000.htm

Chennai, Aug. 21 Jet Airways intends to launch its Chennai-Brussels-Toronto flight on November 5, provided all approvals are received by then, senior officials of the airline told a press conference here on Tuesday.

A passenger who needs to go to the US could change flights at Brussels and catch another Jet Airways flight to either Newark or John F Kennedy airport, officials said.

Flights out of Chennai leave at around 2 a.m. and reach the Belgian capital at 7 a.m. local time. The trans-Atlantic flight will leave two hours later and reach the US or Canada around noon.

Earlier this month, Jet Airways began its India-US operations with flights from Mumbai to Newark via Brussels — only the second Indian airline (after Air India) to run a flight between the two countries. Jet has announced an invitation price of Rs 36,000 (plus Rs 11,000 in taxes) for the economy class. "
 
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RE: India Aviation Thread: Part 58

Wed Aug 22, 2007 3:33 pm

Got this via email:

Quoting Ravi:
I'm a regular reader of the Indian Aviation thread. There is a discussion about Juhu Airport being to be connected to CSIA. Searched on the aviation.net website but there are no photos.

Found few photos on myaviation.net, Below is the link.

http://myaviation.net/?pid=00816970

I can't personally put the link on the airliner forum as I'm not a member.
If you could put the link for other members to get a better view of the ground reality and make the discussion more interesting.

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RE: India Aviation Thread: Part 58

Wed Aug 22, 2007 3:44 pm

Quoting SLCNate (Reply 43):
don't know which of these two is correct, but at least looks like MAA is going to be back on the North American radar, a year after DL pulled out.

" Jet to launch Chennai-Toronto flight via Brussels on Nov 5

As I have said earlier - The aircraft from MAA (a 332) will be used on the BRU-YYZ rotation and the Delhi flight to BRU will first be upgraded to a 77W and will now carry onto JFK. The company has pretty much confirmed this through Saroj Datta.
No West Coast services will begin before the Spring/Summer 2008 schedule.

Winter 2008 will also see DEL-SIN upgraded to a 332.

9W has also been given route authorities to GVA, BHX and MAD - however, by summer 2008 only BHX might start. Will it be a ATQ-BHX service or a DEL-BHX service is a question that is yet to be answered.

If so many route authorities are being doled out the airline will need more aircraft. Desperately. A fleet of 25 w/b's by 2011 won't cut it.
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RE: India Aviation Thread: Part 58

Wed Aug 22, 2007 4:53 pm

Quoting Cricket (Reply 45):
BHX might start. Will it be a ATQ-BHX service or a DEL-BHX service is a question that is yet to be answered.

BHX will be a good route choice and 9Ws 332 product will really cut it well on that route , i think they will originate from DEL.

Quoting Cricket (Reply 45):
A fleet of 25 w/b's by 2011 won't cut it.

Actually Cricket it will 33 owned or ordered by 2011 end---Dont forget all 788s will be delivered by 2011 end.

And by then we will know the true success of BRU, and the 788s can easily bypass them.for US non-stops

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RE: India Aviation Thread: Part 58

Wed Aug 22, 2007 7:00 pm

Quoting Karan69 (Reply 46):
Actually Cricket it will 33 owned or ordered by 2011 end---Dont forget all 788s will be delivered by 2011 end.

And by then we will know the true success of BRU, and the 788s can easily bypass them.for US non-stops

I know, I said by 2011 before the 787's come in unless additional

BTW, Datta also indicated to me that 9W might well switch the order to 789's - he said that Boeing has given them the option for that. Therefore, 9W could be one of the first to operate the 789's.
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RE: India Aviation Thread: Part 58

Wed Aug 22, 2007 7:19 pm

An interesting article in Mint today about the Sahara JetLite acquisition and how Sahara had run S2 to the ground...

http://www.livemint.com/2007/08/2122...-free-tickets-unpaid.html?atype=tp (registration reqd)

(fair use excerpt)

On 20 April, as lawyers in Mumbai put the finishing touches on Jet Airways (India) Pvt. Ltd’s purchase of Sahara Airlines Ltd, Garry Kingshott was impatiently waiting for a phone call in Jet’s New Delhi offices.
The minute a Rs400 crore tranche that would set off the multi-stage transaction was paid, Kingshott, 54, wanted to get into Air Sahara’s offices and take control.
He had some inkling of what he would find: Air Sahara had been floundering for months before the Rs1,450 crore deal was brokered, and there were rumours that many of its creditors hadn’t been paid for months.
The extent of Sahara’s problems became fully apparent a few hours later, when Kingshott and his turnaround team tried to take a break for tea. The grocery store around the corner of Gopaldas Bhavan, in New Delhi’s Connaught Place business district, wouldn’t give a Sahara peon milk or sugar for tea. The store’s owner hadn’t been paid in full for months, and he wanted cash upfront, according to two people familiar with the incident.
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RE: India Aviation Thread: Part 58

Wed Aug 22, 2007 7:57 pm

Quoting Cricket (Reply 48):
An interesting article in Mint today about the Sahara JetLite acquisition and how Sahara had run S2 to the ground...

Wow - the article is rather brutal! But I guess this just reinforces S2 for the trash it was (operationally, strategically etc.).
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