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747-400 Combi - What Airlines/Routes Fly This A/C

Mon Aug 20, 2007 12:47 am

The title almost speaks for its self...

I know Asiana flys these aircraft on a number of long haul routes and was wondering if there were many other airlines flying them?

Is the inside passenger cabin just like a shortened 747-400 and carries less passengers?

Do Boeing offer like a change facility, where the rear half of the cabin can be converted back to a passenger cabin, or is a combi aircraft permanently a combi aircraft?
 
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RE: 747-400 Combi - What Airlines/Routes Fly This A/C

Mon Aug 20, 2007 12:53 am

KLM sometimes fly the combi AMS-PVG on the regular scheduled service

Yes they can be converted, which is why they usually have windows in the cargo section.

 
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RE: 747-400 Combi - What Airlines/Routes Fly This A/C

Mon Aug 20, 2007 12:53 am

Quoting Gilesdavies (Thread starter):
I know Asiana flys these aircraft on a number of long haul routes and was wondering if there were many other airlines flying them?

KLM flies them to quite a few destinations. On the KLM website you can find more information about destinations and schedules.

Quoting Gilesdavies (Thread starter):
Is the inside passenger cabin just like a shortened 747-400 and carries less passengers?

You wouldn't notice you are in a 74M, only the cabin ends somewhere near the end of the wing. The rear wall covers the entire width of the cabin, and is not curved as in normal airplanes.
 
 
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Mon Aug 20, 2007 12:58 am

KLM flies them to IAH
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Mon Aug 20, 2007 1:18 am

Eva Air - 10 Boeing 747-45EM
B-16403
B-16405
B-16406
B-16407
B-16408
B-16409
B-16461
B-16462
B-16463
B-16465

Air India - 01 Boeing 747-433M
VT-AIM (Ex Air Canada)

Asiana Airlines - 04 Boeing 747-48E
HL7415
HL7417
HL7421
HL7423

KLM - 17 Boeing 747-406M
PH-BFC
PH-BFD
PH-BFE
PH-BFF
PH-BFH
PH-BFI
PH-BFK
PH-BFM
PH-BFO
PH-BFP
PH-BFR
PH-BFS
PH-BFT
PH-BFU
PH-BFV
PH-BFW
PH-BFY

Air China - 08 Boeing 747-4J6M
B-2456
B-2458
B-2460
B-2467
B-2468
B-2469
B-2470
B-2471

Korean Air - 01 Boeing 747-4B5M
HL7480

Kuwait Airways - 01 Boeing 747-469M
9K-ADE

Lufthansa - 07 Boeing 747-430M
D-ABTA
D-ABTB
D-ABTC
D-ABTD
D-ABTE
D-ABTF
D-ABTH

Air France - 02 Boeing 747-428M
F-GISB
F-GISE

Former operators include Air Canada, Canadian Airlines and Malaysia Airlines.

Some of the above aircraft now operate in full passenger configuration.

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Mon Aug 20, 2007 1:23 am

KLM also flies them on the AMS-TPE-BKK route. I was going to fly on the TPE-BKK leg a year ago last May but CX's All Asia Pass was a better deal for the trip I was planning.
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Mon Aug 20, 2007 1:24 am

I have been on several with KL LAX-AMS / AMS-BKK also I have been on BR TPE-BKK / BKK-TPE / TPE-SFO and also OZ on LAX-SEL (Kimpo)
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Mon Aug 20, 2007 1:24 am

I travelled on a 747-400 Combi on LHR-PEK with CA (B-2460). The obvious difference inside is that the cabin seems a lot smaller. There were three economy sections and one first class cabin on the lower deck. However, apart from the cabin space, there is little other difference between a regular 744.
 
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Mon Aug 20, 2007 1:29 am

Quoting EI787 (Reply 8):
travelled on a 747-400 Combi on LHR-PEK with CA (B-2460). The obvious difference inside is that the cabin seems a lot smaller

Yes mine was like that also. Feels a bit like your on a SP.
 
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Mon Aug 20, 2007 1:37 am

KLM 747-400Combi

AMS-IAH 1010am
AMS-JNB 1030am
AMS-ORD 1030am
AMS-MEX 100pm
AMS-LAX 115pm
AMS-HKG 320pm
AMS-PEK 535pm
AMS-JFK 620pm
AMS-PVG 625pm
AMS-BKK 845pm
AMS-CAI 845pm

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Mon Aug 20, 2007 2:40 am

Doesn't KLM also fly the combi's into YYZ sometimes?
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Mon Aug 20, 2007 2:45 am

Quoting LouA340 (Reply 11):
Doesn't KLM also fly the combi's into YYZ sometimes?

They have, however the current schedule is a full pax 747-400

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RE: 747-400 Combi - What Airlines/Routes Fly This

Mon Aug 20, 2007 4:12 am

Quoting AirlineBrat (Reply 6):
KLM also flies them on the AMS-TPE-BKK route.



Quoting FLYGUY767 (Reply 10):
KLM 747-400Combi

AMS-BKK 845pm

It looks like I was a little off. The KLM-400 Combi flight I meant to identify flies AMS-BKK-TPE. Airfares on KL's BKK-TPE-BKK leg were quite a deal..... $230rt. TG and BR wanted over $500 for that same trip.
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RE: 747-400 Combi - What Airlines/Routes Fly This A/C

Mon Aug 20, 2007 5:05 am

Quoting LouA340 (Reply 11):
Doesn't KLM also fly the combi's into YYZ sometimes?



Quoting FLYGUY767 (Reply 12):
They have, however the current schedule is a full pax 747-400

KLM still flies the combi into YYZ on a regular basis. They use the combi as KL691/692 on the days that they also have the 777 comming for the second flight of the day. I believe they have the second flight 3-4 days a week for the summer schedule
 
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Mon Aug 20, 2007 5:36 am

Quoting B742 (Reply 5):
Lufthansa - 07 Boeing 747-430M
D-ABTA
D-ABTB
D-ABTC
D-ABTD
D-ABTE
D-ABTF
D-ABTH

To where does this a/c flies to. Didn't know that LH had 744M
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Mon Aug 20, 2007 5:49 am

Kl used to (or still on certain days?) fly 74M to CGK from AMS.
 
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RE: 747-400 Combi - What Airlines/Routes Fly This A/C

Mon Aug 20, 2007 6:33 am

Quoting B747forever (Reply 15):
To where does this a/c flies to. Didn't know that LH had 744M

I also didn't know LH has the 744Combi. Does LH indeed use the 744Combi? I also remember MH flying the 744Combi to AMS. Doesn't MH have the 744Combi anymore?

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Mon Aug 20, 2007 6:41 am

Quoting B742 (Reply 5):

Air India - 01 Boeing 747-433M
VT-AIM (Ex Air Canada)



Quoting B742 (Reply 5):

Air China - 08 Boeing 747-4J6M
B-2470
B-2471

All regulars into LAX...
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RE: 747-400 Combi - What Airlines/Routes Fly This A/C

Mon Aug 20, 2007 6:55 am

Quoting PHKLM (Reply 2):
KLM flies them to quite a few destinations. On the KLM website you can find more information about destinations and schedules.

All except 5 KL 744s are combis.

Quoting B742 (Reply 5):
Former operators include Air Canada, Canadian Airlines and Malaysia Airlines.

Canadian Airlines never operated any 744 combis. Their 4 744s were all-passenger. AC did have 3 744 combis. One is now with Air India and two were converted to full freighters and are now with Air China.
 
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Mon Aug 20, 2007 7:10 am

Quoting A388 (Reply 17):
Quoting B747forever (Reply 15):
To where does this a/c flies to. Didn't know that LH had 744M

I also didn't know LH has the 744Combi. Does LH indeed use the 744Combi?

LH took delivery of 7 744 combis (those listed in Reply 15). However I believe they now operate as all-passenger aircraft and have done so for quite a while. There are numerous A.net photos of these aircraft and they are identified as 747-430M.
 
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Mon Aug 20, 2007 7:21 am

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 20):
LH took delivery of 7 744 combis (those listed in Reply 15). However I believe they now operate as all-passenger aircraft and have done so for quite a while. There are numerous A.net photos of these aircraft and they are identified as 747-430M.

That is correct. Same is the case with the Air France 744Ms I beleive.

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Mon Aug 20, 2007 7:46 am

Air Namibia used Boeing 747-48EM (V5-NMA; "Welwitschia") on flights from Windhoek to Johannesburg, London Heathrow and Frankfurt. It was delivered new from Boeing and the carried fresh cargo (284 pax, 40 tonnes of cargo; had used 763 to replace 747SP but didn't have enough cargo space). It is widely known that Air Namibia got good financing on this from Boeing.


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RE: 747-400 Combi - What Airlines/Routes Fly This A/C

Mon Aug 20, 2007 8:47 am

Quoting B742 (Reply 5):
Eva Air - 10 Boeing 747-45EM

One of the routes is TPE/SEA/EWR and back. I had read here on this forum quite a few months ago that BR was going to dump all their 744s in favor of 773s. Anyone know if that is actually the case?
 
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RE: 747-400 Combi - What Airlines/Routes Fly This A/C

Mon Aug 20, 2007 10:38 am

I sat next to a 5 time Olympian in the Equestrian events on the way to the 2000 Games in SYD. I believe it was KLM that he indicated was one of the world's foremost carriers for transporting horses. If memory serves it was his preferred carrier because on the combies, at the time, they would allow the owner to visit the animal in flight. Can anyone else corroborate this? Again, we are talking 80's 90's.
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RE: 747-400 Combi - What Airlines/Routes Fly This A/C

Mon Aug 20, 2007 10:41 am

Quoting Parisien (Reply 16):
Kl used to (or still on certain days?) fly 74M to CGK from AMS



Forgive my error I was going by the SkyTeam timetable which shows the 747-400, a KLM flight operated by MH to Kuala Lumpur when indeed you are correct that the 747-400 Combi to Jakarta operated by KLM via Kuala Lumpur flies daily, with a departure time of 900pm.

-JD

[Edited 2007-08-20 03:48:12]
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RE: 747-400 Combi - What Airlines/Routes Fly This A/C

Mon Aug 20, 2007 10:47 am

Quoting FlyLKU (Reply 24):
I believe it was KLM that he indicated was one of the world's foremost carriers for transporting horses.

KL still carries quite a few horses. Following from their cargo website:

Leading stables and equestrian teams rely on KLM Cargo to carry thousands of their valuable horses to destinations all over the world every year. We guarantee that all aspects of transport are in the capable hands of a single carrier. Our customized equipment and services ensure that your horses arrive on time and in excellent condition.

Our product services:

Professional attendants accompany your horses in flight;
State-of-the-art stalls specially designed for the safety of your horses;
Pre/post-flight stall disinfection/cleaning;
Horses remain in our care throughout the shipping process (airport-to-airport);
Comfortable and secure accommodation at the KLM Cargo Animal Hotel;
Personal care by highly-trained staff at our Animal Hotel;
In-house EU inspection facilities;
Veterinary staff on call 24-7;
All equine import and export facilities under one roof.
Since we only do direct business with specialized horse agents we would like to advise you to contact one of them. They can arrange the trucking to and from the airport, the necessary documents and the booking at KLM Cargo for you.
For detailed information about these agents please contact your local KLM Cargo customer service office.
 
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RE: 747-400 Combi - What Airlines/Routes Fly This A/C

Mon Aug 20, 2007 10:49 am

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 26):
KL still carries quite a few horses.

Isnt LAX one of the top markets for this?

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RE: 747-400 Combi - What Airlines/Routes Fly This A/C

Mon Aug 20, 2007 12:22 pm

I flew KLM from AMS to LAX on Nov. 2001. The flight was operated by a 747-400M and I sat on the very last row in front of the cabin wall that separates the cargo section from the passenger section. Next to me sat a young man who happened to be an attendant for some horses that were in the cargo hold. He was allowed to go check on them several times during the flight.
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RE: 747-400 Combi - What Airlines/Routes Fly This

Mon Aug 20, 2007 12:28 pm

Quoting B742 (Reply 5):
Lufthansa - 07 Boeing 747-430M
D-ABTA
D-ABTB
D-ABTC
D-ABTD
D-ABTE
D-ABTF
D-ABTH



Quoting B747forever (Reply 15):
To where does this a/c flies to. Didn't know that LH had 744M

Yes they do, but the doors havent been used in a couple of years, and all those fly in a full pax. config.

BTW lufthansa even changed the cockpit's EICAS software "doors" page to show no cargo door!

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RE: 747-400 Combi - What Airlines/Routes Fly This A/C

Mon Aug 20, 2007 1:02 pm

I know that Air China flies them sometimes or all the time from SFO to Beijing. I flew on B-2467 last July to Beijing and in the bakc they were loading a Corvette into the back of the plane. I was two seats from the back panels separating us Pax from the cargo.
 
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RE: 747-400 Combi - What Airlines/Routes Fly This A/C

Mon Aug 20, 2007 4:04 pm

The 74M is dead ! At least, there will be no new ones built in the future, neither will there be a 748 replacement in a form of a combi, unfortunately. The US government hasn't given Boeing permission to build new Combi's because of safety reasons.

It's too bad, as it's a rare cabinview as well as a very flexible and economic aircraft for many carriers.

One of the reasons KLM has such a great fleet of 747 aircraft is because they operate the Combi. There are just a few destinations with enough demand to fly a full passenger 747. Such as YYZ and JFK. This is one of the reasons it's hardly likely KLM will order the A380 or the 748...Only the 748 F makes a chance.
 
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RE: 747-400 Combi - What Airlines/Routes Fly This A/C

Mon Aug 20, 2007 4:46 pm

Quoting B747forever (Reply 15):
To where does this a/c flies to. Didn't know that LH had 744M

I use to fly with them on the KUL-BKK sector in the early 90 's but understand that all are converted
to full PAX now.
 
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Mon Aug 20, 2007 5:54 pm

Quoting B742 (Reply 21):
Same is the case with the Air France 744Ms I beleive

Yep, they were converted to full pax aircraft in the late 1990s and are now being converted into freighters
 
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Mon Aug 20, 2007 7:13 pm

Well AI uses VT-AIM 'Sundarbans' whenever it is in a flyable condition (AI guys really believe that plane is jinxed - burst tyres, bird hits and a awful dispatch rate) on BOM/DEL-FRA-LAX
A300B2/B4/6R, A313, A319/320/321, A333, A343, A388, 737-2/3/4/7/8/9, 747-3/4, 772/2E/2L/3, E170/190, F70, CR2/7, 146-3,
 
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Mon Aug 20, 2007 7:35 pm

Quoting FlyLKU (Reply 24):
I believe it was KLM that he indicated was one of the world's foremost carriers for transporting horses. If memory serves it was his preferred carrier because on the combis, at the time, they would allow the owner to visit the animal in flight.

Flew with KL back in 2002, AMS-JFK on 747-300 Combo, or at least was supposed to. Do to a fuel leak/misshap with had shut down all engines right before the rwy and be pulled back to the gate, while under escort from the fire service.

Anyway we where seated two rows in front of the cargo divider, and my friend who is highly allergic to horses suddenly got a huge attack. Needless to say 4 of the seats behind us were inhabit-anted with people in charge of looking after the horses. We eventually got the FA/Purser to understand that he could not sit there anymore, and they moved him up front in economy, ranting off why he did not inform them that he was allergic to horses. He replied that he had indeed informed them that he was allergic to cats and dogs, but that he did not think he would be flying on a cattle-carrier Big grin

But because of the fuel problem we got a new AC, a 747-400 in full pax config, so the horses got left behind at AMS and my friend lived to see another day  Wink

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RE: 747-400 Combi - What Airlines/Routes Fly This A/C

Mon Aug 20, 2007 11:12 pm

I recall flying the KLM 747 combi YUL-AMS. The arrangement at the time was main deck loading at the aft end of the A/C, but not including the far right two length-wise rows of seats, and an aisle. So in other words, seats seats "H" and "I" were still there, (an aisle seat and a window) all the way to the back of the A/C. I can't remember, but I believe these would have been the days when the 747 was configured with 9 coach seats across.

It gave an intimate feel when I sat back there, sort of like being on a business jet. And since I was young and smaller, the size of the seat didn't matter that much. I had always assumed this configuration was to allow for access to aft restrooms.

I understand that The U.S. does not allow passenger A/C with main-deck freight loading to land it it's territory. An odd rule, if you ask me, since the rest of the world seems O.K. with it. If safety is the question, with reference to hazardous cargo, it seems safer to have ACCESS to cargo on board an A/C than not, but have not looked into an explanation for this rule.
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RE: 747-400 Combi - What Airlines/Routes Fly This A/C

Mon Aug 20, 2007 11:44 pm

Quoting Gilesdavies (Thread starter):
Former operators include Air Canada, Canadian Airlines and Malaysia Airlines.

Also flown by SA . It was a Combi that caught fire and crashed into the sea off Mauritius (SA 295 -"Helderberg") killing 140 passengers and 19 crew IIRC
 
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Tue Aug 21, 2007 1:31 am

Quoting SSTsomeday (Reply 36):
I understand that The U.S. does not allow passenger A/C with main-deck freight loading to land it it's territory.

Are you sure, that this is regulation is still in effect ? I was on a KL 74M flight from AMS to ORD last December and wee had cars and whatever freight in the back.
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RE: 747-400 Combi - What Airlines/Routes Fly This A/C

Tue Aug 21, 2007 1:43 am

Quoting B742 (Reply 5):
Air France - 02 Boeing 747-428M
F-GISB
F-GISE

Air France doesn't fly anymore B744 in a -Combi version.

AF Used to operate 6 B744M : F-GISA/B/C/D/E & F-GEXB (ex-UTA aircraft). They were converted into all PAX carriers many years ago.

Since then, F-GISA & F-GISB have been converted into Freighters. F-GISE will follow at the end of this year.

[Edited 2007-08-20 18:51:03]
 
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RE: 747-400 Combi - What Airlines/Routes Fly This A/C

Tue Aug 21, 2007 4:28 am

Quoting SSTsomeday (Reply 36):
I understand that The U.S. does not allow passenger A/C with main-deck freight loading to land it it's territory.

KL 611 ORD
KL 643 JFK
KL611 LAX
KL 661 IAH

all of these flights are 74M combis
 
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Tue Aug 21, 2007 4:43 am

HI!

I think sometimes KL uses them on the AMS-MEX run...

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RE: 747-400 Combi - What Airlines/Routes Fly This A/C

Tue Aug 21, 2007 4:44 am

Quoting B742 (Reply 5):
Air France - 02 Boeing 747-428M
F-GISE

Did F-GISE get a conversion? I flew this bird in 2001 and I did not think it was a combi, but I was upstairs in biz, so who knows...
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RE: 747-400 Combi - What Airlines/Routes Fly This A/C

Tue Aug 21, 2007 5:01 am

Perhaps this is a dumb question but:

Do the ones in all pax configuration have the cargo doors removed when placed into all pax config?
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RE: 747-400 Combi - What Airlines/Routes Fly This A/C

Tue Aug 21, 2007 5:12 am

Quoting B4REAL (Reply 42):
Did F-GISE get a conversion? I flew this bird in 2001 and I did not think it was a combi

F-GISE was a -Combi. But in 2001, it was already reconfigured in an All Pax version.
F-GISE is scheduled to be the third AF B744 to be converted into a Freighter, next November 2007.
 
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Tue Aug 21, 2007 5:34 am

Quoting FlySSC (Reply 44):
F-GISE was a -Combi. But in 2001, it was already reconfigured in an All Pax version.
F-GISE is scheduled to be the third AF B744 to be converted into a Freighter, next November 2007.

FlySSC, thanks for the perspective. So, F-GISE was built/delivered as a -Combi, converted to all pax, and will soon be all Freight?
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RE: 747-400 Combi - What Airlines/Routes Fly This A/C

Tue Aug 21, 2007 12:54 pm

Quoting SSTsomeday (Reply 36):
understand that The U.S. does not allow passenger A/C with main-deck freight loading to land it it's territory.

I think they have to meet the latest cargo compartment fire suppresssion standards but they're certainly not banned or KL wouldn't be able to operate many US flights which use their 744 combis. And AS has long operated 737 combis and recently introduced 737-400s converted to combi configuration to replace their now-retired 737-200C combis.


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RE: 747-400 Combi - What Airlines/Routes Fly This A/C

Tue Aug 21, 2007 1:24 pm

Quoting FLYGUY767 (Reply 10):
KLM 747-400Combi

AMS-IAH 1010am
AMS-JNB 1030am
AMS-ORD 1030am
AMS-MEX 100pm
AMS-LAX 115pm
AMS-HKG 320pm
AMS-PEK 535pm
AMS-JFK 620pm
AMS-PVG 625pm
AMS-BKK 845pm
AMS-CAI 845pm



Quoting Paladin87 (Reply 40):
KL 611 ORD
KL 643 JFK
KL611 LAX
KL 661 IAH

KLM uses the B74E network wide, and these are all the flights they are currently used on:

KL553/554 CAI (selected flights only)
KL565/566 NBO (selected flights only)
KL591/592 JNB
KL601/602 LAX
KL611/612 ORD
KL643/644 JFK (selected flights only)
KL661/662 IAH
KL685/686 MEX
KL691/692 YYZ (selected flights only)
KL809/810 KUL CGK (selected flights only)
KL861/862 NRT (selected flights only)
KL865/866 ICN
KL877/878 BKK TPE
KL887/888 HKG
KL893/894 PVG
KL895/896 PVG
KL897/898 PEK

Occasionally, the B74E can be seen in any other of KLM's longhaul destinations. Airports which have seen the B74E on an ad hoc basis in lieu of their regularly scheduled equipment recently include YUL, AUA and SFO.
 
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RE: 747-400 Combi - What Airlines/Routes Fly This A/C

Tue Aug 21, 2007 1:55 pm

Quoting Paladin87 (Reply 40):
KL 611 ORD
KL 643 JFK
KL611 LAX
KL 661 IAH

all of these flights are 74M combis



Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 46):
I think they have to meet the latest cargo compartment fire suppression standards but they're certainly not banned or KL wouldn't be able to operate many US flights which use their 744 combis. And AS has long operated 737 combis and recently introduced 737-400s converted to combi configuration to replace their now-retired 737-200C combis.

Thanks for the update. I suppose what I had read about a while ago (on this website) referred to A/C without the required fire suppression equipment, then? Varous members were dicussing how such combi A/C were not allowed to land in the U.S., and no other members had objected to this contention, so I understood it to be the G-d's truth. I wish I could find the thread.

I wonder if the "combi" modality would help the case of the 747-8, and I wonder if 380 operators would consider it. Have any expressed an interest?

Since the lucrative cargo market is on the rise, while long range passenger travel, by enlarge, is moving more towards the "big twin," perhaps a 380 combi version would be a way for Airbus to get their VLA out of "niche" purgatory...
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RE: 747-400 Combi - What Airlines/Routes Fly This A/C

Tue Aug 21, 2007 3:01 pm

Quoting Paneuropean (Reply 31):
there will be no new ones built in the future, neither will there be a 748 replacement in a form of a combi, unfortunately. The US government hasn't given Boeing permission to build new Combi's because of safety reasons.

Safety reasons? What exactly are the safety concerns of the US government and why is the permission not granted when the 74M has proven to be safe?

Quoting SSTsomeday (Reply 48):
I wonder if the "combi" modality would help the case of the 747-8, and I wonder if 380 operators would consider it.

I'm sure it would help, it certainly couldn't hurt!
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