bastew
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BA New Club And The 777

Mon Aug 20, 2007 3:39 am

Well seems a small (of potentially big) hiccup in the installation of the new CW seats on the 777. It has now been made official within BA that the seats have failed the FAA 3G floor stress test for the new seats.

While a resolution is being found, the latest 'estimate' of when the first 777 will receive the new seat is February 2008 - at the earliest.

36 of the 747 fleet have now received the new cabin, with the entire 747 fleet due to be completed by NOV 07.

50 longhaul aircraft have now been fitted with AVOD IFE.

[Edited 2007-08-19 20:49:56]
 
trekster
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RE: BA New Club And The 777

Mon Aug 20, 2007 3:54 am

Whoops.

I thought there may of been something wrong as I have heard nothing at work about the 777
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Bofredrik
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RE: BA New Club And The 777

Mon Aug 20, 2007 4:19 am

Im am more concerned about the whole layout that
is so bad that i never would book a ticket to a seat there.
 
AlanUK
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RE: BA New Club And The 777

Mon Aug 20, 2007 6:30 am

Quoting BAStew (Thread starter):
FAA 3G floor stress test

What does that imply exactly?
 
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RE: BA New Club And The 777

Mon Aug 20, 2007 7:33 am

Quoting AlanUK (Reply 3):

I think it means that under a 3g decelleration the seat has to stay bolted to the floor, and the floor has to stay in one piece

Quoting Bofredrik (Reply 2):
Im am more concerned about the whole layout that
is so bad that i never would book a ticket to a seat there.

With the great popularity of the 1st generation of flat bed club world, and the customer reaction to the 2nd generation; i'm sure BA will be able to survive without your custom.
 
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RE: BA New Club And The 777

Mon Aug 20, 2007 8:05 am

Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 4):
With the great popularity of the 1st generation of flat bed club world, and the customer reaction to the 2nd generation; i'm sure BA will be able to survive without your custom.

well said.
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RE: BA New Club And The 777

Mon Aug 20, 2007 12:58 pm

Interesting, thanks to BAStew and our other BA insiders for keeping us informed!

I'm quite surprised the seat has failed this test, considering it is lighter than the old seat. I'd have thought in a G-force monitored deceleration test that a lighter seat would have performed better...
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RE: BA New Club And The 777

Mon Aug 20, 2007 5:34 pm

Quoting Fbgdavidson (Reply 6):
I'm quite surprised the seat has failed this test, considering it is lighter than the old seat. I'd have thought in a G-force monitored deceleration test that a lighter seat would have performed better...

Probably requires a few more mounting bolts, and some larger washers !!!!
 
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RE: BA New Club And The 777

Mon Aug 20, 2007 10:38 pm

Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 7):
Probably requires a few more mounting bolts, and some larger washers !!!!

It is indeed probably something as simple as this - modified anchor-points, different bolts etc. I doubt it will involve something as substantial as floor-reinforcement, thus adding additional weight to the airframe.
 
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RE: BA New Club And The 777

Mon Aug 20, 2007 10:59 pm

Correct me if I am wrong but was there not a similar problem when the first 744 to be fitted with the new seats was tested? I seem to remember it spending most of last November at the BA's LHR Engineering Base while the tests were carried out and a solution found.

The report that the seat has initially failed the 772 floor stress tests suggests that the first aircraft has had the new seats fitted already. Is this correct? If so does anyone know which aircraft and whether there is a planned in-service date?
 
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RE: BA New Club And The 777

Mon Aug 20, 2007 11:49 pm

Quoting VV701 (Reply 9):
The report that the seat has initially failed the 772 floor stress tests suggests that the first aircraft has had the new seats fitted already. Is this correct? If so does anyone know which aircraft and whether there is a planned in-service date?

No 777 has the product fitted at the moment.
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RE: BA New Club And The 777

Tue Aug 21, 2007 12:16 am

Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 7):
Probably requires a few more mounting bolts, and some larger washers !!!!

Come on guys, its all ball bearings these days.

Sincerely,

Fletch.
 
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RE: BA New Club And The 777

Tue Aug 21, 2007 12:50 am

I flew from LGW to IAH on the 777 -- "old" new club world, obviously. What I really didn't like was no AVOD. Will that change before the retro fit to new seats? Or will AVOD not come untilt he new seats? I thought the "old" new club world quite a step up from Biz in DL and AA (which at the time still had old style seats). I am flying next month a 744 ORD - LHR, and LHR -- BOM in club. I must confess I am hoping for the "new new" club world -- the reviews have been very good.

As to the layout, I found it to be quite spacious. I had a window (14A I think), and felt like I was in a private cabin. With the seat config, and being short (5'6'') not only was the bed long enough, I was able to close out the world in club world!! As so many others have said, BA has a great product.
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RE: BA New Club And The 777

Tue Aug 21, 2007 1:10 am

Quoting Davescj (Reply 12):

I agree that the layout is spacious on the 777 in Club, I fly often to MCO from LGW and 9 hours passes quickly in
this layout, only thing I might miss is the colour scheme, the new cabin looks a bit too white.
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RE: BA New Club And The 777

Thu Aug 23, 2007 7:47 am

Quoting Fbgdavidson (Reply 6):
I'm quite surprised the seat has failed this test, considering it is lighter than the old seat. I'd have thought in a G-force monitored deceleration test that a lighter seat would have performed better...

True...however, it's not hugely lighter than the old one so this might not be a major factor.

Quoting VV701 (Reply 9):
Correct me if I am wrong but was there not a similar problem when the first 744 to be fitted with the new seats was tested?

Yes, if I remember correctly, they had the same problem with the 3G test with the 744's, basically, the seat has to withstand 2 (I believe, not 100% sure) tests where the same seat must withstand at-least 2 tests of at-least 3G's and remain attached to the floor at the end, the problem they had on the 744, was that it would always pass the first test, but fail the second test. They sorted that out, which would leave me to believe it was a simple as doing what they did on the 744 to the 777.

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CoolGuy
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RE: BA New Club And The 777

Fri Aug 24, 2007 1:30 am

What's the difference between 1G and 2G? I thought there was only one previous version before the new seats currently 'in progress'.
 
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RE: BA New Club And The 777

Fri Aug 31, 2007 6:53 am

Quoting CoolGuy (Reply 15):
What's the difference between 1G and 2G? I thought there was only one previous version before the new seats currently 'in progress'.

I'm assuming you are talking '1G and 2G' as in first and second generation, not 1G as in the gravitational term. Basically:

1st club world- cradle seats (not sure when it was introduced, early 1990's or late 1980's)
2nd Club world- original flat beds (introduced in 2000)
3rd club world- Same as the 2nd club world but with darker, more padded seat covers and more subtle tones of colours used in the cabin features, such as the inter-seat blinds, where the colour was changed from blue/white to darker blue/cream to make it 'less bold' (introduced 2004 time I think)
4th club world- The current New Club world being rolled out (introduced 2007)

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