jetblue32
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Spirit South America Expansion

Mon Aug 20, 2007 5:06 am

I have a few questions about Spirit Airlines' expansion in South America. Does anyone know what other cities they are planning to add? (perhaps in Ecuador, other cities in Peru and Venezuela?) I'm assuming they cannot add Argentina and Chile with their current fleet of A319's b/c they don't have the range for that, am I right?
 
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RE: Spirit South America Expansion

Mon Aug 20, 2007 5:46 am

Quoting Jetblue32 (Thread starter):
I have a few questions about Spirit Airlines' expansion in South America. Does anyone know what other cities they are planning to add? (perhaps in Ecuador, other cities in Peru and Venezuela?)

I understood service to CCS will begin late 2007.
I had read somewhere in the forum that NK is planning to add new cities for the next year. Nothing official as far as I know...

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Quoting Jetblue32 (Thread starter):
I'm assuming they cannot add Argentina and Chile with their current fleet of A319's

The A319 has a range up to 3700 nm for primarily business travel or leisure travel.
On the other hand: FLL-SCL: 3670 nm and FLL-EZE: 3905 nm.
NK´s longest route to South America is FLL-LIM: 2340 nm on A319.
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RE: Spirit South America Expansion

Mon Aug 20, 2007 5:55 am

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 1):
I had read somewhere in the forum that NK is planning to add new cities for the next year. Nothing official as far as I know...

I would assume that FLL-PTY would be high up on the list of new Central American Destinations, it is probably the only major Central American city with no NK service.
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RE: Spirit South America Expansion

Mon Aug 20, 2007 5:59 am

CTG, BAQ and BOG in Colombia are in their plans but they depend on the agreement with the Colombian airline "Aires" or the lift of frequencies restrictions by the bilateral agreement...
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RE: Spirit South America Expansion

Mon Aug 20, 2007 6:32 am

Quoting Jetblue32 (Thread starter):
I'm assuming they cannot add Argentina and Chile with their current fleet of A319's b/c they don't have the range for that, am I right?

Even if they do have the range, it's not like NK would do something that outlandish.

Look for more Caribbean and Lat.Am. routes, like Roatan, Honduras (huge diving center in the Caribbean).

[Edited 2007-08-19 23:46:34]
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RE: Spirit South America Expansion

Mon Aug 20, 2007 6:41 am

Quoting MD90fan (Reply 4):
Even if they do have the range, it's not like NK would do something that outlandish.

I would think flying a narrowbody 319 on routes of such distance would put them at a disadvantage wirth carriers operating out of MIA, all of which fly wide-body a/c deep into South America. While I haven't flown on NK personally, I've been on other 319s, and it would seem a long flight on a smallish aircraft.
 
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RE: Spirit South America Expansion

Mon Aug 20, 2007 7:45 am

We´re still waiting for INAC´s approval for NK to fly here to CCS. I haven´t heard anything related directly to the subject but we sure look forward to seeing Spirit land in SVMI/CCS, not only for being a new link (And I think profitable) to the US, but as a new competitor in the market that would lower fares, which are actually very high (hovering around the 600´s taxes included, 460 w/o tax for AA in Y). Also, maybe they should target another route like MAR, since only AA is operating to MIA from there (Therefore controlling fares) since VH dropped the route some time ago.

I really hope the flight is fully functional by the end of this year.

Best regards from Venezuela,

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RE: Spirit South America Expansion

Mon Aug 20, 2007 8:31 am

Quoting Maracucho85 (Reply 6):
Best regards from Venezuela,

Alberto

welcome Alberto, nice to see another Venezulean guy on board!

didnt they also applied for flights to Medellin / Colombia?
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RE: Spirit South America Expansion

Mon Aug 20, 2007 8:42 am

Quoting Avianca (Reply 7):
didnt they also applied for flights to Medellin / Colombia?

Nah bro, it was daily FLL-BOG and BAQ.

Here is what the BAQ schedule would be:

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FLL-BAQ 1050-1330
BAQ-FLL 1430-1715


Maybe you are confusing NK applying for MDE (which didn't happen) with VH moving their MDE-MAR-MIA flight to FLL and codesharing with NK?

[Edited 2007-08-20 01:46:21]

[Edited 2007-08-20 01:47:19]
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RE: Spirit South America Expansion

Mon Aug 20, 2007 1:45 pm

Quoting Maracucho85 (Reply 6):

Welcome !

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Quoting Jetblue32 (Thread starter):
perhaps in Ecuador, other cities in Peru and Venezuela?)

CCS looks closer than any other point in Latin America. CCS has been displayed in its route map announcing to start operations shortly.
Thoughtless LIM, where any carrier is flying from Peru to the USA?

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Quoting MD90fan (Reply 4):
Look for more Caribbean and Lat.Am. routes, like Roatan, Honduras (huge diving center in the Caribbean).

RTB has an interesting leisure market:
TA: RTB-MIA and RTB-IAH. Once a week each.
CO: RTB-IAH. Twice a week.
DL: RTB-ATL. Once a week.
Some of them maybe summer seasonal.

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Quoting SkyyMaster (Reply 5):
I would think flying a narrowbody 319 on routes of such distance would put them at a disadvantage with carriers operating out of MIA, all of which fly wide-body a/c deep into South America.

I totally agreed with.
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RE: Spirit South America Expansion

Mon Aug 20, 2007 2:02 pm

Would be nice to have them at MAO, but I know that's a long shot. . .
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RE: Spirit South America Expansion

Mon Aug 20, 2007 3:12 pm

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 9):
Thoughtless LIM, where any carrier is flying from Peru to the USA?

I am not sure what you said but you may have asked if there is another city besides Lima where a carrier is flying to the US from.
When I was in LIM last week (missed the earthquake by 4 days, whew), I read an article where the person in charge of Spirit's operations in LIM was mentioning a possible flight from FLL to Chiclayo (don't know the airport code for that one) because they wanted to serve the market to northern Peru and southern Ecuador.
My friend who works for AA told me she was offered 2/3 of what she currently makes at AA to become the manager at the airport for NK. She didn't take the offer.

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RE: Spirit South America Expansion

Mon Aug 20, 2007 8:30 pm

Quoting SkyyMaster (Reply 5):
I've been on other 319s, and it would seem a long flight on a smallish aircraft.

From a passenger's perspective, do you think that comfort would be more important than aircarft size?
I flew an A319 on AF this past June and to my surprise I found the aircraft to be comfortable.

I wonder if NK will add larger aircraft in the future for possible further expansion. Does anyone know?
 
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RE: Spirit South America Expansion

Tue Aug 21, 2007 8:11 am

Quoting FLY2LIM (Reply 11):
I read an article where the person in charge of Spirit's operations in LIM was mentioning a possible flight from FLL to Chiclayo

Chiclayo (IATA code: CIX) has some daylight domestic operations from/to TRU and LIM.
However, NK operates in LIM departing at 22:55 to FLL.
Is CIX open 24 hours?

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Quoting FLY2LIM (Reply 11):
because they wanted to serve the market to northern Peru and southern Ecuador.

Passengers from some Ecuadorian southern regions may find an easiest way through GYE…
Let´s see what happen...
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RE: Spirit South America Expansion

Tue Aug 21, 2007 11:18 am

Quoting PPVRA (Reply 10):
Would be nice to have them at MAO, but I know that's a long shot. . .

BEL or FOR might be more interesting (and easy to get from Brazilian ANAC) for NK than MAO, but those 2 destination will really push the range of NK's A319.
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RE: Spirit South America Expansion

Tue Aug 21, 2007 3:15 pm

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 13):
Chiclayo (IATA code: CIX) has some daylight domestic operations from/to TRU and LIM.
However, NK operates in LIM departing at 22:55 to FLL.
Is CIX open 24 hours?

You have a good point, and I doubt that CIX is open 24 hours, though it's next to a military base. I just repeated what I read in the article.

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RE: Spirit South America Expansion

Tue Aug 21, 2007 11:58 pm

Quoting NA747 (Reply 12):
From a passenger's perspective, do you think that comfort would be more important than aircarft size?
I flew an A319 on AF this past June and to my surprise I found the aircraft to be comfortable.

I think they have to go hand in hand. An airline can put the most comfortable seat made on an aircraft. Say a passenger wishes to stretch their legs and walk to a restroom at the far end of the a/c as opposed to one 5 feet away. A narrowbody, 150 +/- seat aircraft really does not offer that opportunity. Look at the number of threads on a.net about people complaining about the use of the 757 on trans-Atlantic flights. IMO, unless you make it an all premium seating ala Privatair, it is going to feel claustrophobic after a while. I too have flown the 319 numerous times and find it as comfortable as any other similarly sized a/c; but never on a 6-8 hour flight. That was the point I was trying to make.
 
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RE: Spirit South America Expansion

Wed Aug 22, 2007 7:01 am

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 9):
RTB has an interesting leisure market:
TA: RTB-MIA and RTB-IAH. Once a week each.
CO: RTB-IAH. Twice a week.
DL: RTB-ATL. Once a week.
Some of them maybe summer seasonal.

RTB-IAH on CO is actually three times per week. RTB-ATL on DL was twice weekly for the summer.

I think it would be difficult to profitably offer more than one or two weekly FLL-RTB flights, given that most of the divers headed to RTB are on week-long packages. That said, if NK can become the preferred operator for the travel agents/package tour operators who offer dive packages in the Bay Islands, they could make themselves some nice money on the route.

Quoting Luisca (Reply 2):
I would assume that FLL-PTY would be high up on the list of new Central American Destinations, it is probably the only major Central American city with no NK service.

Along with SAL, TGU, and BZE...

[Edited 2007-08-22 00:19:29]
 
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RE: Spirit South America Expansion

Wed Aug 22, 2007 8:38 am

Quoting RICARIZA (Reply 3):
CTG, BAQ and BOG in Colombia are in their plans but they depend on the agreement with the Colombian airline "Aires" or the lift of frequencies restrictions by the bilateral agreement...

They were already denied the permission to fly to/from BOG. These frecuencies where assigned to AA

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RE: Spirit South America Expansion

Wed Aug 22, 2007 8:48 am

Quoting Avianca (Reply 7):
welcome Alberto, nice to see another Venezulean guy on board!



Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 9):
Welcome !

Thanks a lot guys! I´ve actually been coming to the site about a year ago and finally decided to join last week. Hope to see you guys around!

I really hope INAC´s approval comes sometime soon, we do need this kind of flights. Its also good to see that NK is looking at a good bunch of our cities down south.... Ahhh the consequences of globalization haha...
 
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RE: Spirit South America Expansion

Thu Aug 23, 2007 4:13 am

Quoting ScottB (Reply 17):
RTB-IAH on CO is actually three times per week

I have not found any sources that confirm. In fact, all departures to the USA seem to be Saturdays and Sundays.

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Quoting ScottB (Reply 17):
I think it would be difficult to profitably offer more than one or two weekly FLL-RTB flights,

It´s a good point. Consider NK has been doing "redeyes" operations in SAP and MGA, scheduling no more than three flights a week with A319.
On the other hand, it is questionable if RTB is open 24 hours in order to follow a similar pattern as they are doing in Central America.
NK is operating (GUA, SAP, MGA, SJO)--FLL as a response to AA and other carriers that are flying to MIA. This is not the situation of RTB where AA does not operate as far as I know.
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RE: Spirit South America Expansion

Thu Aug 23, 2007 4:28 am

Quoting ScottB (Reply 17):
RTB-IAH on CO is actually three times per week.

Yes. You´re right: three flights a week.
Regards.
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