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Breaking News: China Airlines Ac On Fire At Naha

Mon Aug 20, 2007 11:05 am

http://www.nhk.or.jp/english/

Headline news banner stating CI120 TPE-OKA, should be B738, on fire at Naha Airport. 155 passengers onboard.

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RE: Breaking News: China Airlines Ac On Fire At Naha

Mon Aug 20, 2007 11:11 am

"All 155 passengers aboard have been safely evacuated."

Thank God. This could have been horrible.  pray 
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RE: Breaking News: China Airlines Ac On Fire At Naha

Mon Aug 20, 2007 11:12 am

Definitely a B737-800, with winglets, as seen a moment ago on CNN International...Completely destroyed, smoldering. If reports are true, all 155 onboard and crew escaped safely...

Glad to see that it appears to be no fatalities, but this will mark the second NG to be w/o (after the GOL 738/W).

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RE: Breaking News: China Airlines Ac On Fire At Na

Mon Aug 20, 2007 11:15 am

Quoting A340Spotter (Reply 2):
but this will mark the second NG to be w/o (after the GOL 738/W).

3rd A Kenya Airways 738 was the second w/o.

I wish for the best and hope everyone got out okay.
 
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RE: Breaking News: China Airlines Ac On Fire At Naha

Mon Aug 20, 2007 11:15 am

Quoting A340Spotter (Reply 2):
Definitely a B737-800, with winglets, as seen a moment ago on CNN

Yup, 737-800 it is. Saw it a minute ago too.

Great to hear everybody made it out safe.

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RE: Breaking News: China Airlines Ac On Fire At Naha

Mon Aug 20, 2007 11:20 am

Quoting Asuflyer (Reply 3):
3rd A Kenya Airways 738 was the second w/o.

And you would be right. I completely forgot about that one (as has the news, what's happened with this investigation?)...

B-18616 was what it looked like, reg. wise, from the CNN I pictures they were showing. Plane was at the hard stand already and folks were already deplaned, according to this news report:

http://www.chinapost.com.tw/sports/2007/08/20/119129/Taiwanese-jet.htm

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RE: Breaking News: China Airlines Ac On Fire At Naha

Mon Aug 20, 2007 11:51 am

Quoting DM (Reply 4):
Great to hear everybody made it out safe.

Apparently there are four crew members unaccounted for  Sad .

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=287706

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RE: Breaking News: China Airlines Ac On Fire At Na

Mon Aug 20, 2007 11:51 am

Very good news that the passengers were evacuated safely, here's hoping for the aircraft crew since the media reports aren't entirely clear.

[Edited 2007-08-20 04:53:47]
 
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RE: Breaking News: China Airlines Ac On Fire At Naha

Mon Aug 20, 2007 11:52 am

Picture and video here:

http://www3.nhk.or.jp/news/2007/08/20/k20070820000071.html

[Edited 2007-08-20 04:58:06]
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RE: Breaking News: China Airlines Ac On Fire At Naha

Mon Aug 20, 2007 11:54 am

Quoting A340Spotter (Reply 5):

B-18616 was what it looked like, reg. wise, from the CNN I pictures they were showing. Plane was at the hard stand already and folks were already deplaned, according to this news report:


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RE: Breaking News: China Airlines Ac On Fire At Naha

Mon Aug 20, 2007 12:11 pm



Damn, that must've been scary.
 
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RE: Breaking News: China Airlines Ac On Fire At Naha

Mon Aug 20, 2007 12:15 pm

Nice Trip Report!!! Great Pics, thanks for posting!!!! B747Forever
 
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RE: Breaking News: China Airlines Ac On Fire At Naha

Mon Aug 20, 2007 12:40 pm

Wow... these last couple of days have been lucky for Aviation. (Considering.) First, the attempted hijacking, now this... Who says there is NO hope for survival? I'll just direct them to this incident!

[Edited 2007-08-20 05:47:23]
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RE: Breaking News: China Airlines Ac On Fire At Naha

Mon Aug 20, 2007 12:43 pm

Quoting HowSwedeitis (Reply 13):
Wow... these last couple of days have been lucky for Aviation. (Considering.) First, the attempted hijacking, now this... Who says if there is a plane crash there is NO hope for survival? I'll just direct them to this incident!

This is not a plane crash.

Shame to see another 737NG W/O, such a waste of a great bird. Fingers crossed that nobody was hurt though.
 
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RE: Breaking News: China Airlines Ac On Fire At Na

Mon Aug 20, 2007 12:47 pm

THANKFULLY everyone got out safely. Kudos to the crew!

Quoting HowSwedeitis (Reply 13):
Who says if there is a plane crash there is NO hope for survival? I'll just direct them to this incident!

this one comes to mind too...

http://www.twaflight843.com/

[Edited 2007-08-20 05:48:04]
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RE: Breaking News: China Airlines Ac On Fire At Naha

Mon Aug 20, 2007 12:55 pm

Does anyone know how old this bird was?
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RE: Breaking News: China Airlines Ac On Fire At Naha

Mon Aug 20, 2007 1:02 pm

Taiwan news says the plane was 5 years old.
 
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RE: Breaking News: China Airlines Ac On Fire At Naha

Mon Aug 20, 2007 1:04 pm

If it is B-18616, then it was delivered 7(july)/26/2002.

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RE: Breaking News: China Airlines Ac On Fire At Naha

Mon Aug 20, 2007 1:06 pm

"The plane's left engine exploded minutes after it was parked, a transport ministry official said. "

http://news.monstersandcritics.com/a...fire_at_Okinawa_airport__2nd_Lead_


How does an engine explode on the ground @ idle? Is that possible, AME's?
 
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RE: Breaking News: China Airlines Ac On Fire At Naha

Mon Aug 20, 2007 1:12 pm

Taiwan news reports say that the pilot didn't know about the fire until the ground staff told him. Also passengers say that before landing they had smelled something burning.
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RE: Breaking News: China Airlines Ac On Fire At Naha

Mon Aug 20, 2007 1:19 pm

Seeing a video of that plane burning brings a tear to my eye since I spend every day looking at brand new 737s being built and rolling out of the factory. It's so sad to see one be destroyed.

Two injured crew members, but that seems to be about it. Good work to the cabin crew if the passengers were in fact on board when it happened! They deserve the same praise of the AF cabin crew that successfully evacuated the A340 in YYZ. If only crew members were hurt then you must assume they were going above and beyond the call of duty to make sure everyone was safe. It's sketchy now whether they were on board at the time, but the forward and rear exit doors are open with slides deployed, but the overwing exits appeared not to be deployed.

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RE: Breaking News: China Airlines Ac On Fire At Naha

Mon Aug 20, 2007 1:50 pm

Quoting BlueSkys (Reply 19):
How does an engine explode on the ground @ idle? Is that possible, AME's?

The engine wouldn't be idling minutes after being parked at the gate - either the APU or GPU would be in use.
 
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RE: Breaking News: China Airlines Ac On Fire At Naha

Mon Aug 20, 2007 2:05 pm

Quoting BlueSkys (Reply 19):
How does an engine explode on the ground @ idle? Is that possible, AME's?

a fuel leak can only effectively pool in/under the engine when parked. in flight, it would drip/blow out. even taxiing, it might not collect.

so if it was a fuel leak problem, I would expect it to become most dangerous once the jet has parked for a few minutes and a critical volume of flammable liquid/vapor has collected.

just a guess, no evidence it was a fuel leak, but it is one possibility.
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RE: Breaking News: China Airlines Ac On Fire At Naha

Mon Aug 20, 2007 3:06 pm

Glad no one was injured.
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RE: Breaking News: China Airlines Ac On Fire At Naha

Mon Aug 20, 2007 3:10 pm

Wow, this has been a bad year for the B738... no write-offs in its first eight (or so) years in service and all of a sudden 2007 brings three write-offs.
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RE: Breaking News: China Airlines Ac On Fire At Naha

Mon Aug 20, 2007 3:17 pm

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 20):
It's sketchy now whether they were on board at the time, but the forward and rear exit doors are open with slides deployed, but the overwing exits appeared not to be deployed

You would not open the Over Wing exits if not safe (as is the case in this instance) The crew have done a very FINE job... and training at CI is obviously top notch!

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RE: Breaking News: China Airlines Ac On Fire At Naha

Mon Aug 20, 2007 3:17 pm

So to those of you who thinks that FA job is just to serve peanuts and coke, I hope this would shut you up! Our primary job is your safety. To get your A** out of a burning plane!

So if you don't think we deserve better treatments from managements, then be my guess, take a bus/boat!
 
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RE: Breaking News: China Airlines Ac On Fire At Naha

Mon Aug 20, 2007 3:25 pm

awesome show of destruction to the aircraft. Glad everyone made it out alright. This along with the AF A340 show how fast and destructive fires are to aircraft.
 
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RE: Breaking News: China Airlines Ac On Fire At Naha

Mon Aug 20, 2007 3:36 pm

Great that everyone got out ok. According to Norwegian media, the only injury was on one of the crew members and not seriously, so this would be an example of a "textbook" evacuation. Great job by the crew!!

Anyone know how far it parked from the emergency services? Seems a bit strange that an A/C parked on the tarmac, would burn so badly without ES putting it out sooner. So much for 90 seconds I guess...

The 3 737-800 W/O so far this year, rather strange as the first eight, or so, went by without a single one...

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RE: Breaking News: China Airlines Ac On Fire At Naha

Mon Aug 20, 2007 3:40 pm

Since the other thread is not seen I will post the links to Japanese video news. (in Japanese)

Yahoo Japan Video news

JNN Video Click on 56 or 300

NNN Video Click on 56 or 300

JNN (TBS) Click on 56 or 300

JNN (TBS) v2 Click on 56 or 300

Quite the impressive video
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RE: Breaking News: China Airlines Ac On Fire At Naha

Mon Aug 20, 2007 3:41 pm

Two successful evacuations from flaming aircraft in two years, if only all accidents were like this. Thank God! Pity about the plane though.
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RE: Breaking News: China Airlines Ac On Fire At Naha

Mon Aug 20, 2007 3:49 pm

Any more news or video details of what actually went wrong?
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RE: Breaking News: China Airlines Ac On Fire At Naha

Mon Aug 20, 2007 3:59 pm

From the Japanese news.

The following information is known.

The NAHA tower controller did verify that the left engine was smoking during the landing. The Captain also notified the tower that there is abnormal indication from the left engine.
 
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RE: Breaking News: China Airlines Ac On Fire At Naha

Mon Aug 20, 2007 4:23 pm

Quoting SASDC8 (Reply 28):
The 3 737-800 W/O so far this year, rather strange as the first eight, or so, went by without a single one

Not to be pedantic but the GOL accident was on 29 Sept 2006, so this is the 3rd W/O "in a year" (the last 12 months) but the 2nd W/O "this year" (2007).
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RE: Breaking News: China Airlines Ac On Fire At Naha

Mon Aug 20, 2007 4:26 pm

CNN's last sentence in their article

Quote:
This incident is the latest in a series of accidents involving China Airlines. Jetliners for the air carrier crashed in 2002, 1999, 1998 and 1994, killing more than 1,000 people.

The 1994 one was at old NGO. 246 died when the CI A300-600R crashed and went off the runway. There is a memorial at the end of that runway. My wife lost a friend and a neighbor who were coming back from Taiwan. She refuses to fly CI just because of this flight.
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RE: Breaking News: China Airlines Ac On Fire At Naha

Mon Aug 20, 2007 4:34 pm

It does remind me when a TG 737-400 on March 3rd 2001 at BKK burst in flames. One died.
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RE: Breaking News: China Airlines Ac On Fire At Naha

Mon Aug 20, 2007 4:36 pm

The survival of the passengers and crew undoubtedly have something to do with the enhancements made to the B737 after the Manchester Air Disaster. Glad everyone got out alright.

I'm particularly impressed that despite the proximity to the flames, the slides did not deflate, again thanks to safety enhancements during the past 20 years.

Quoting SASDC8 (Reply 28):
So much for 90 seconds I guess...

I've always thought the 90 second rule was something to do with flashover occuring-- rather than emergency services responding.
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RE: Breaking News: China Airlines Ac On Fire At Naha

Mon Aug 20, 2007 4:55 pm

This might be a stupid question but is there a possibility that there was a bird strike in the engines? Since the control tower says that there was smoke coming out of the engine.
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RE: Breaking News: China Airlines Ac On Fire At Naha

Mon Aug 20, 2007 5:12 pm

Quoting BRxxx (Reply 37):
is there a possibility that there was a bird strike in the engines

BRxxx, it's possible -- I would say very little can be ruled out at this point. However, it would have to be a pretty hefty bird I would imagine -- engines are designed to ingest birds with minimal damage.

I guess we'll just have to wait and see what the investigation turns up.
 
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RE: Breaking News: China Airlines Ac On Fire At Naha

Mon Aug 20, 2007 5:18 pm

Link in the original post has a good video of it including the evac from the plane. Good video quality...amazing seeing the explosion just after the last pax slide down and get about 50yds away.
 
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RE: Breaking News: China Airlines Ac On Fire At Naha

Mon Aug 20, 2007 5:21 pm

Hey MarkHKG, I think your signature works quite well on this thread!!  Wink

Quoting Brenintw (Reply 38):
it would have to be a pretty hefty bird I would imagine --

Crane maybe?
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RE: Breaking News: China Airlines Ac On Fire At Naha

Mon Aug 20, 2007 5:35 pm

First off all, everybody escaped with no major injuries.

Aircraft don't spontaneously combust or explode. There has to be some igniter and ignitee.
Here's one hypothesis being considered.
There was a typhoon, remnants there of, in the vicinity and there could have been some crosswind, which during the landing the engine came in contact with the ground causing some damage to the engine struts and starting a fuel leak.
It just happens that the ignition of the leaking fuel occurred once the aircraft was parked at its stand.

Lastly, whether this accident is by just chance or luck, this goes to show the abysmal safety record of China Airlines.
They have managed to destroy every type of aircraft they have operated in recent years and the list just long longer by one. Fortunately, they have yet to wreck their A340/330-series.
 
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RE: Breaking News: China Airlines Ac On Fire At Naha

Mon Aug 20, 2007 5:35 pm

http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=20070820-0
Was just going thu this site & noticed it.

Quoting BlueSkys (Reply 18):
How does an engine explode on the ground @ idle? Is that possible

Surprising.

Quoting BRxxx (Reply 19):
Taiwan news reports say that the pilot didn't know about the fire until the ground staff told him

& no fire warning.

Something is not adding up.Whats the official report say.

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RE: Breaking News: China Airlines Ac On Fire At Na

Mon Aug 20, 2007 5:41 pm

This incident really baffles me.



The 737 looks as if it would suffer from pain.

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RE: Breaking News: China Airlines Ac On Fire At Naha

Mon Aug 20, 2007 5:48 pm

 
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RE: Breaking News: China Airlines Ac On Fire At Naha

Mon Aug 20, 2007 5:49 pm

Quoting A340Spotter (Reply 5):
http://www.chinapost.com.tw/sports/2007/08/20/119129/Taiwanese-jet.htm

I really, really hope that this report is in the wrong section of the China Post. Hardly a sport is it ?
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RE: Breaking News: China Airlines Ac On Fire At Na

Mon Aug 20, 2007 5:49 pm

Everyone is evacuated, according to the ETTV News... the crew members reported missing were safe... eight of them in total (two cockpit crew and 6 F/As - five TW based and one Japanese F/A)... China Airlines has officially confirmed that all passengers and crew members are safe, but there are two passengers (one young girl and one middle age men) reporting sickness after the evacuation not related to the process but due to high blood pressure and previous health problems. There is "report" that one of the ground crew, who was servicing a nearby plane got hurt...

There were lots of accounts, but I won't take it very seriously for now... one passenger reported that the captain made an announcement 15 minutes prior to arrival, and then they heard a "thump" sound and smelt something burning... they made an emergency landing and did the emergency evacuation... the afternoon OKA flight was upgraded to a 333 to accommodate some of the earlier passengers, who were stranded at OKA for obvious reason) and the CEO of CI and some safety folks were heading to OKA on the afternoon flight to see what is going on. All the TW-based 738s (12 CI, 3 Mandarin Airlines AE, and 1 TW Air Force (actually their air force one) will undergo special checks.

ETTV News seem to provide mostly correct information, but it is interesting that they really bring out any pieces of aviation incidents for the past few years. They try to link it to a May incident, when one of the engines of a CI A330-300 from KHH to HKG shut down, and then quote a bunch of not so related incidents, like a BA 737 incident in 2005 when one of the engines was on fire during takeoff, and the Kenya Airways 737NG crash... some made sense like the Kenya's incident, but some seem a bit unrelated like the A330 incident, which has no relation to the Boeing 737NG... They also quote a bunch of incidents in Japan lately, including a near runway crash at Sapporo Chitose (a Skymark 767 also crashed into an ANA 763) and couple Dash 8 Q400s incidents... very unrelated and I am sure it really has nothing to do with the Japanese Aviation authority... They should hire a real airline expert... or at least have someone on standby. But the eyewitness account seems pretty scary and the explosion is very real...

Also each passenger is given TWD$20,000 for all the luggage damage... (obviously mostly destroyed... except maybe some of the luggages in the front...

According to the video, the explosion came from the center of the a/c, near the fuel tank.

Thank goodness everybody was safe, and both the F/As and pilots remained calm and facilitated evacuation... they did their jobs very well (excellent service in the air and also performed the safety duties in perfection)... so folks, don't ever complaint that the Asian airlines' F/As just look beautiful and can't do safety duties. They are just as well-trained, and as professional as any F/As based anywhere in the world, which are to provide excellent service in the air and to take care of the passengers when there are safety situations - excellence both in service and in safety (not only on one of them).

Thanks god that everyone got out safe and thank the crews from doing a good job in this kind of difficult situation!

Carfield

PS. However, there are just way too many accounts... we need to wait before more "accurate" news is reported.
But for China Airlines, it is definitely another setback after a five year of "no incident"... they just launched a new campaign in April... this incident definitely raises concern again for its safety record and related matter. But I don't think we should make any judgment till we hear more info.
 
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RE: Breaking News: China Airlines Ac On Fire At Naha

Mon Aug 20, 2007 5:49 pm

I'm curious-- is it typical for a China Airlines B738 to have 8 crew members (6 cabin crew)? I'm only use to seeing WN and B6 planes that have a cabin crew of only 3, albeit the aircraft are smaller. I wonder if there were any dead-heading (non-rev) flight attendants on board.

(I'm just saying this because studies have shown, consistently, that assertive cabin crew are one of the most important reasons why passengers get off a plane alive. The TWA accident, as noted above, had 5 off-duty flight attendants on board, contributing to the rapid evacuation.)
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RE: Breaking News: China Airlines Ac On Fire At Naha

Mon Aug 20, 2007 5:53 pm

Evacuation was partially caught on video: http://www.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/index.html

Click this link and select the appropriate video player.

Apologies if this link is a dupe - I didn't see any english-language links to NHK above.
 
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RE: Breaking News: China Airlines Ac On Fire At Naha

Mon Aug 20, 2007 5:56 pm

Quoting Carfield (Reply 46):
According to the video, the explosion came from the center of the a/c, near the fuel tank.

Does anyone know if this aircraft had a fuel tank inerting system installed? (For some reason, I'm thinking it does because it is a 737NG plane.) One of the safety studies that I read indicated that such a system would protect passengers in such a situation (in the very least, delaying the onset of an explosion) after a post-crash fire.

Is anybody also curious if this new technology might have saved lives during this accident?
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