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Air France Long Haul Schedule Winter 2007/2008

Tue Aug 21, 2007 12:39 am

Here is the Air France Long Haul program for the next winter season 2007/2008.

- Only flights operated by Air France itself are listed.

- All flights are NONSTOP unless indicated.

FLIGHTS FROM PARIS-CDG

*NORTH AMERICA*

YUL : 1 x Daily A343 + 1 x Daily B77W

YYZ : 1 x Daily A343

SFO : 1 x Daily A343

LAX : 16 x Weekly = 1 x Daily B772ER + 3 x Weekly B772ER + 5 x Weekly B77W + 1 x Weekly A343

IAH : 2 x Daily (B772ER + A332)

MIA : 1 x Daily B744

ATL : 1 x Daily A343

IAD : 2 x Daily (B772ER + B772ER)

ORD : 6 x Weekly A332

SEA : 5 x Weekly A332

DTW : 5 x Weekly A332

BOS : 1 x Daily B744

PHL : 5 x Weekly A332

JFK : 4 x Daily (B772ER + B772ER + A332 + B77W)

EWR : 1 x Daily A332

MEX : 1 x Daily B772ER + 5 x Weekly B772ER

*SOUTH AMERICA & CARIBBEAN*

CCS : 1 x Daily B744

BOG : 1 x Daily A343

GRU : 2 x Daily (A332 + B77W)

GIG : 2 x Daily (A332 + B744)

EZE : 1 x Daily B772ER

SCL : 1 x Daily B772ER

HAV : 1 x Daily B744

PUJ : 5 x Weekly B744

SDQ : 3 x Weekly B744

SXM : 1 x Daily A343

*AFRICA*

DKR : 1 x Daily B772ER

NKC : 5 x Weekly A319ER

CKY : 4 x Weekly A343

BKO : 1 x Daily A332

ABJ : 1 x Daily A343

NIM : 3 x Weekly A343

OUA : 6 x Weekly = 3 x A332 + 3 x A343 - 1 STOP NIM -

LFW : 3 x Weekly A343

COO : 5 x Weekly 4 x A343 + 1 x A332

BGF : 1 x Weekly A332

NDJ : 6 x Weekly A319ER

LOS : 1 x Daily A332

PHC : 4 x Weekly = 3 x A332 + 1 x A332 - 1 STOP COO -

DLA : 1 x Daily = 3 x A343 + 4 x A332

NSI : 3 x Weekly A343 - 1 STOP DLA -

LBV : 4 x Weekly B772ER

FIH : 3 x Weekly A332

BZV : 3 x Weekly A332

SSG : 5 x Weekly A319ER

PNR : 3 x Weekly A319ER

LAD : 1 x Weekly B77W

JNB : 2 x Daily (B77W + B77W)

TNR : 4 x Weekly A343

MRU : 1 x Daily B744

JIB : 1 x Weekly A332

*MIDDLE EAST*

BEY : 1 x Daily B77W

CAI : 10 x Weekly = 2 x Weekly B772ER + 5 x Weekly A332 + 3x Weekly A332

RUH : 6 x Weekly A319ER

JED : 4 x Weekly A319ER

AMM : 1 x Daily A320

DAM : 4 x Weekly A320

THR : 4 x Weekly A343

DXB : 1 x Daily B772ER + 6 x Weekly A332

EVN : 3 x Weekly A320

*ASIA*

SEL : 1 x Daily B77W

NRT : 1 x Daily B772ER + 1 x Daily B77W + 6 x Weekly A332

KIX : 1 x Daily B77W

PEK : 1 x Daily B77W + 3 x Weekly B772ER

CAN : 3 x Weekly A343

PVG : 1 x Daily B772ER + 5 x Weekly B772ER

HKG : 1 x Daily B772ER + 5 x Weekly B772ER

BKK : 1 x Daily B744

SGN : 4 x Weekly B744 - 1 STOP BKK -

HAN : 3 x Weekly B744 - 1 STOP BKK -

SIN : 1 x Daily B77W

DEL : 1 x Daily B744

BOM : 1 x Daily B77W

BLR : 1 x Daily B772ER

MAA : 4 x Weekly A343

FLIGHTS FROM PARIS-ORLY

RUN : 1 x Daily B77W + 2 x Weekly B77W

CAY : 1 x Daily A343

FDF : 2 x Daily (B77W + B77W)

PTP : 2 x Daily (B77W + B77W)



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A343 = Airbus A340-300 – 19 aircraft - 36J/236Y or 30J/261Y -
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B744 = Boeing 747-400 – 13 aircraft - 40J/396Y or 17J/460Y -
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B772ER = Boeing 777-200ER – 25 aircraft - 4P/49J/211Y -
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B77W = B777-300ER – 23 aircraft - CDG = 8P/67J/235Y , ORY = 14J/36S/422M -
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RE: Air France Long Haul Schedule Winter 2007/2008

Tue Aug 21, 2007 12:51 am

Thanks for information.

What about PPT from LAX ?
Next trip : BOD - LPA - FNC - LIS - BOD - YUL - YBG - YUL - BOD - CDG - JNB - WDH - JNB - MRU - RRG - MRU - CDG - BOD
 
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RE: Air France Long Haul Schedule Winter 2007/2008

Tue Aug 21, 2007 12:56 am

Regarding CAY from ORY, I thought that is has been turned to B777-300 ER from this spring. So they return to A 340-200 from end of October ?
Next trip : BOD - LPA - FNC - LIS - BOD - YUL - YBG - YUL - BOD - CDG - JNB - WDH - JNB - MRU - RRG - MRU - CDG - BOD
 
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RE: Air France Long Haul Schedule Winter 2007/2008

Tue Aug 21, 2007 12:59 am

PPT : 4 x Weekly via LAX - B77W on CDG-LAX, then A343 on LAX-PPT.
 
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RE: Air France Long Haul Schedule Winter 2007/2008

Tue Aug 21, 2007 1:04 am

Is Yerevan considered Middle East by AF or you have listed it as such?
 
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RE: Air France Long Haul Schedule Winter 2007/2008

Tue Aug 21, 2007 1:08 am

Quoting 777way (Reply 4):

On AF Website, they consider Yerevan as an East European destination like Kiev or Moscow.
Next trip : BOD - LPA - FNC - LIS - BOD - YUL - YBG - YUL - BOD - CDG - JNB - WDH - JNB - MRU - RRG - MRU - CDG - BOD
 
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RE: Air France Long Haul Schedule Winter 2007/2008

Tue Aug 21, 2007 1:11 am

Quoting AF777300ER (Reply 5):

And on a geographical point of view, Armenia is in Europe, the border between Europe and Asia is normally Ural Mountains I think. And when you discribe a white people face, for example for police, you speak of Caucasian face, so I think it's really considered European...
Next trip : BOD - LPA - FNC - LIS - BOD - YUL - YBG - YUL - BOD - CDG - JNB - WDH - JNB - MRU - RRG - MRU - CDG - BOD
 
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RE: Air France Long Haul Schedule Winter 2007/2008

Tue Aug 21, 2007 1:12 am

Air France Long Haul operations are divided into 6 "Sectors" :

FRA = Domestic
EUR = Europe/North Africa
APE = Asia/Pacific
AME = Americas
AMO = Africa/Middle East
COI = Caribbean/Indian Ocean

Unlike TLV, Managed by the "sector" EUR and is considered as a "European fligh", EVN was attributed to the AMO sector as it is considered long haul for the Crew management/rules, but operated by an A320 "Europe config", like AMM and DAM.
 
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RE: Air France Long Haul Schedule Winter 2007/2008

Tue Aug 21, 2007 1:14 am

Thank you for this really good fact

Does AFs 1x weekly services make any good profit.
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RE: Air France Long Haul Schedule Winter 2007/2008

Tue Aug 21, 2007 1:21 am

Quoting B747forever (Reply 8):
Does AFs 1x weekly services make any good profit.

1 x Weekly to LAD is very profitable. AF, just like other airlines would like to add more frequencies, but is restricted by the Angola Government.

The 1 x Weekly flight to JIB is also profitable because JIB has an important French Military Base.
 
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RE: Air France Long Haul Schedule Winter 2007/2008

Tue Aug 21, 2007 1:33 am

Note that with 97,61% of its long haul flights being NONSTOP, Air France is the European airline offering the most nonstop flights.
 
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RE: Air France Long Haul Schedule Winter 2007/2008

Tue Aug 21, 2007 2:51 am

Quoting FlySSC (Thread starter):
ATL : 1 x Daily A343

Next summer, Air France will bring its First Class product back to Atlanta after a couple of seasons of absence as the single AF operated flight will feature the B772ER rather than the B744, which is operating the route this summer.

Quoting FlySSC (Thread starter):
PVG : 1 x Daily B772ER + 5 x Weekly B772ER

Also next summer, AF will finally increase CDG PVG to twice daily, for a total of 14 weekly B772ER roundtrips.

Quoting FlySSC (Thread starter):
BKK : 1 x Daily B744

SGN : 4 x Weekly B744 - 1 STOP BKK -

HAN : 3 x Weekly B744 - 1 STOP BKK -

If and when the Vietnamese government lifts its ridiculous restrictions on the AF service there, forcing the airline to serve both SGN and HAN, I could envisage a return of the nonstop CDG SGN services, at least during winter time. The B744 via BKK isn't the best of solutions and it is often very hard to find seats on these services.
 
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RE: Air France Long Haul Schedule Winter 2007/2008

Tue Aug 21, 2007 2:55 am

HB-IWC,

Anything on AF's 4th YULCDG proposal?
 
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RE: Air France Long Haul Schedule Winter 2007/2008

Tue Aug 21, 2007 2:59 am

Quoting Flyyul (Reply 12):

Anything on AF's 4th YULCDG proposal?

4th what? flight per day in summer? with the A380 coming next summer i doubt it...
 
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RE: Air France Long Haul Schedule Winter 2007/2008

Tue Aug 21, 2007 3:25 am

Quoting FlySSC (Thread starter):
ATL : 1 x Daily A343

Wow.. I didnt know that Atlanta demand drops so much in the Winter Time vs Summer Time

Summer 2007

2x Delta Air Lines 767-400
1x Air France 747-400

vs
1x Delta Air Lines 767-400
1x Delta Air Lines 767-300
1x Air France A340-300

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RE: Air France Long Haul Schedule Winter 2007/2008

Tue Aug 21, 2007 3:36 am

YULYMX,

Firstly the A380 is not comingtill 2009 or later (prolly 2010)

Secondly, AF's mentionned to its employees the possibility of a 4th flight.
 
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RE: Air France Long Haul Schedule Winter 2007/2008

Tue Aug 21, 2007 4:24 am

FLYSSC great JOB. Very nice and through!!!!

Seems like there is a reduction in service to JFK for the winter. Is that permanent or just for the winter times.
 
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RE: Air France Long Haul Schedule Winter 2007/2008

Tue Aug 21, 2007 4:39 am

Quoting FlySSC (Thread starter):
BLR : 1 x Daily B772ER

So BLR gets upgraded from A332 to B772ER? good move!
 
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RE: Air France Long Haul Schedule Winter 2007/2008

Tue Aug 21, 2007 5:08 am

Quoting YULYMX (Reply 13):
4th what? flight per day in summer? with the A380 coming next summer i doubt it...

The A380 was initially planned for the summer 2008 but is delayed to summer 2009, so a 4th Daily frequency to YUL was planned for the summer 2008. To be confirmed ....

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 11):
If and when the Vietnamese government lifts its ridiculous restrictions on the AF service there, forcing the airline to serve both SGN and HAN, I could envisage a return of the nonstop CDG SGN services, at least during winter time. The B744 via BKK isn't the best of solutions and it is often very hard to find seats on these services.

AF wanted to serve SGN Nonstop from CDG, but not HAN.
The Vietnamese Gov. said : "OK for SGN nonstop ONLY if HAN is served also nonstop". That's why AF served both Nonstop for one season only, as the money made on SGN was lost on the much less popular HAN.

BKK should be one of the first destination to receive the new B77W 2 Class that will replace the B744 starting 2009.
 
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RE: Air France Long Haul Schedule Winter 2007/2008

Tue Aug 21, 2007 5:30 am

Quoting FlySSC (Reply 7):
Air France Long Haul operations are divided into 6 "Sectors" :

FRA = Domestic

That must be the shortest long haul ever!
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RE: Air France Long Haul Schedule Winter 2007/2008

Tue Aug 21, 2007 5:36 am

Quoting FlySSC (Thread starter):
B77W = B777-300ER – 23 aircraft - CDG = 8P/67J/235Y , ORY = 14J/36S/422M -

Why the difference in class codes between CDG and ORY based a/c? I assume M is equivalent to Y (coach/economy class) but what about S-class? is it equivalent to premium economy? If so, I didn't know AF offer an intermediate product between J and Y
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RE: Air France Long Haul Schedule Winter 2007/2008

Tue Aug 21, 2007 5:39 am

Quoting UPPERDECKFAN (Reply 20):

It's Alizée Class, an upgraded economy class only available on DOM-TOM (French Overseas Territories) flights from ORY.
Next trip : BOD - LPA - FNC - LIS - BOD - YUL - YBG - YUL - BOD - CDG - JNB - WDH - JNB - MRU - RRG - MRU - CDG - BOD
 
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RE: Air France Long Haul Schedule Winter 2007/2008

Tue Aug 21, 2007 5:42 am

Quoting AF777300ER (Reply 21):

Can you describe what features are upgrade? seat pitch? width? meal service? leg rest?.........
744,742,741,772,773,762,732,735,738,752,727,717,DC10,DC9,M82,M87,319,320,321,343,346,L1011,CRJ2,CRJ9,E190,ATR42,DSH8,
 
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RE: Air France Long Haul Schedule Winter 2007/2008

Tue Aug 21, 2007 5:48 am

Quoting AF777300ER (Reply 2):
Regarding CAY from ORY, I thought that is has been turned to B777-300 ER from this spring. So they return to A 340-200 from end of October ?

It is been a long time since AF does not operate A340-200 anymore ...

I think you mistyped and you wanted to say "A340-300" ...

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RE: Air France Long Haul Schedule Winter 2007/2008

Tue Aug 21, 2007 5:50 am

Quoting LePousson (Reply 23):

Right. It's A343.
Next trip : BOD - LPA - FNC - LIS - BOD - YUL - YBG - YUL - BOD - CDG - JNB - WDH - JNB - MRU - RRG - MRU - CDG - BOD
 
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RE: Air France Long Haul Schedule Winter 2007/2008

Tue Aug 21, 2007 5:54 am

Thank you FlySSC and HB-IWC for your always very interesting information  Smile

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 11):
If and when the Vietnamese government lifts its ridiculous restrictions on the AF service there, forcing the airline to serve both SGN and HAN, I could envisage a return of the nonstop CDG SGN services, at least during winter time. The B744 via BKK isn't the best of solutions and it is often very hard to find seats on these services

Agreed but I think it's nice having AF serving both cities. It would be bad if AF stops to serve HAN just to have SGN non-stop. Or could it be a CDG-SGN-HAN-CDG 4x weekly and CDG-HAN-SGN-CDG 3x weekly ?

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 11):
The B744 via BKK isn't the best of solutions and it is often very hard to find seats on these services.

I just booked a CDG-BKK round trip on AF in january in J class and I was amazed to see on the seat map that, on the days I'm travelling, about half of the J seats were already booked 5 months before. The loads on these flights are very high every time I fly this route
 
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RE: Air France Long Haul Schedule Winter 2007/2008

Tue Aug 21, 2007 5:58 am

Quoting UPPERDECKFAN (Reply 22):
Quoting AF777300ER (Reply 21):


Can you describe what features are upgrade? seat pitch? width? meal service? leg rest?.........

From AF website:
http://www.airfrance.us/US/en/local/...=cccfaddljglmgdgcefecekedgfndgfo.0
 
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RE: Air France Long Haul Schedule Winter 2007/2008

Tue Aug 21, 2007 5:59 am

Quoting UPPERDECKFAN (Reply 22):

Alizée Class : priority check-in and arrival, more FB miles, front of the aircraft, 36 seats, larger seats, more space for the legs, 123° angle, a better travel kit, a welcome punch, choice of meals between traditionnal or creole ones, fine dishes.

It's available on all flights to PTP, FDF, CAY till the end of summer it seems, RUN, HAV, Punta Cana and Santo Domingo. I think it's not available to SXM, I've already gone there and I've been upgraded to Business from Economy, no Alizée.
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RE: Air France Long Haul Schedule Winter 2007/2008

Tue Aug 21, 2007 5:59 am

Thanks for the update!

Quoting FlySSC (Thread starter):
GRU : 2 x Daily (A332 + B77W)

GIG : 2 x Daily (A332 + B744)

FlySSC, last month seems that GRU would receive 3 to 4 times a week the A343 replacing the A332 during the IATA winter. AF changed this ?

And the second daily service to GIG seems to continue during the IATA summer but as a 5x weekly flight. Any comments about when the 744 will be replaced ?

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RE: Air France Long Haul Schedule Winter 2007/2008

Tue Aug 21, 2007 5:59 am

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 11):
Next summer, Air France will bring its First Class product back to Atlanta after a couple of seasons of absence as the single AF operated flight will feature the B772ER rather than the B744, which is operating the route this summer.

wow, that's quite a drop in capacity, isn't it? I thought the 744 was nearly always full....
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RE: Air France Long Haul Schedule Winter 2007/2008

Tue Aug 21, 2007 6:23 am

Quoting UPPERDECKFAN (Reply 22):
Can you describe what features are upgrade?

I just flew the M class on a 773ER ORY-NCE : the seat looks sort of similar to a regular AF eco seat, except for the headrest which is more comfy and the color/fabric scheme that looks more sophisticated; the screen of the PTV is much bigger and so is the footrest.
you have to keep in mind that on the french overseas network the standard eco seats are smaller: config is 3-4-3 on the French overseas network specially designed 773ER
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RE: Air France Long Haul Schedule Winter 2007/2008

Tue Aug 21, 2007 6:32 am

Quoting FlySSC (Thread starter):
Here is the Air France Long Haul program for the next winter season 2007/2008.

- Only flights operated by Air France itself are listed.

- All flights are NONSTOP unless indicated.

Thanks for the informations mate !

As always it's crystal clear  Wink

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RE: Air France Long Haul Schedule Winter 2007/2008

Tue Aug 21, 2007 6:39 am

Quoting FlySSC (Thread starter):
BOG : 1 x Daily A343

It seems that BOG is stuck with the A343. Even though AF's loads on the route are 88.4% in the first half of this year (90% in June alone), and that will only increase as the the year progresses. I have also heard complaints from business passengers about them being downgraded for lack of J capacity on some flights.

But a 747 might be too big, and I cannot see any other suitable aircraft, as those with too large a business section, or P would probably not be appropriate.

Quoting FlySSC (Thread starter):
B77W = B777-300ER – 23 aircraft - CDG = 8P/67J/235Y , ORY = 14J/36S/422M -

When are the 77Ws configued in 2 classes materialising? Do we know the J/Y split? Or what can we expect?

[Edited 2007-08-20 23:51:36]
 
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RE: Air France Long Haul Schedule Winter 2007/2008

Tue Aug 21, 2007 7:00 am

I worked for Air France Cargo in Amsterdam until last February and i'm very surprised to see this much aircraft changes. If I remember correctly, the following destinations were served differently.

YUL : was at least served with one 747 daily

ORD : was a daily service, AF050 if i remember correctly

SEA : all new!!

BOS : A340 instead of Daily B744 and at least 10 x weekly

PHL : daily AF366

JFK : 6 x Daily and now only 4 (B772ER + B772ER + A332 + B77W)

EWR : was served at least 10 x weekly AF016 + AF018



*SOUTH AMERICA & CARIBBEAN*

GRU : 2 x Daily (at least with one B747 daily)

GIG : was 1 x Daily (B747)

* AFRICA *

NKC : before February also served with AF332?

BKO : changed from 4 x weekly to daily service

ABJ : is 1 x Daily A343, was 6 x weekly

BGF : is 1 x Weekly A332, was 2 or 3 x weekly

FIH : is 3 x Weekly A332, was at 4 x weekly also with AF340-300

JNB : is 2 x Daily (B77W + B77W), was served with at least

THR : is 4 x Weekly A343, was at least 5 x weekly


*ASIA*

BOM : is 1 x Daily B77W, was AF340-300 or B744


Remarkable:
I really miss a lot of pax B744 in this new scheme; is that true and are those giants replaced by especially B77W??



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RE: Air France Long Haul Schedule Winter 2007/2008

Tue Aug 21, 2007 7:20 am

Yup, very surprising to see JFK going down from 6 to 4 flights, and losing the 747!
 
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RE: Air France Long Haul Schedule Winter 2007/2008

Tue Aug 21, 2007 9:13 am

Great to see they kept the lovely 77W on the CDG-BEY route!

Had the chance to fly this aircraft twice in J and once in Y, impeccable service and the planes were new at the time (2006).

How is the BEY route doing. Apparently this year even during the summer period, loads were not at 100% and they didn't bring in a single additional flight despite MEA swapping the A321 with an A332 on the AF568/ME 210 flight.

FLYSSC, any info on this?
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RE: Air France Long Haul Schedule Winter 2007/2008

Tue Aug 21, 2007 10:35 am

Quoting CuriousFlyer (Reply 34):
Yup, very surprising to see JFK going down from 6 to 4 flights, and losing the 747!

AF 747s aren't configured with a high-density premium layout, so it's a better sign for AF to be operating 777s than 747s to JFK...
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RE: Air France Long Haul Schedule Winter 2007/2008

Tue Aug 21, 2007 10:45 am

Quoting CuriousFlyer (Reply 34):
Yup, very surprising to see JFK going down from 6 to 4 flights, and losing the 747!

I mentioned this would probably happen in a previous post in another similar thread. They'll probably get the 747 back in the spring or summer and bring JFK back to 6X daily as this happened last year, to answer Planetime's question. I thought AF only had 3X daily CDG-JFK last winter alongside DL's daily 763.
 
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RE: Air France Long Haul Schedule Winter 2007/2008

Tue Aug 21, 2007 11:07 am

Quoting FlySSC (Thread starter):
YUL : 1 x Daily A343 + 1 x Daily B77W

I assume then the 3rd daily is only during the summer?
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RE: Air France Long Haul Schedule Winter 2007/2008

Tue Aug 21, 2007 11:59 am

Quoting BA (Reply 38):
I assume then the 3rd daily is only during the summer?

BA,

AF does drop the 3rd daily flight around September 15 and bring it back late in May or beginning of June. So does AC with the second flight (AC884-AC885) unless they change their mind recently. Correct me if I'm wrong.

YUL is still well serve to CDG during the low season period with Air Canada, Air France, Zoom and Air Transat. Can any of you tell me what the loads look like on these flights during the low season period?

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RE: Air France Long Haul Schedule Winter 2007/2008

Tue Aug 21, 2007 12:37 pm

Quoting Goldorak (Reply 25):
It would be bad if AF stops to serve HAN just to have SGN non-stop. Or could it be a CDG-SGN-HAN-CDG 4x weekly and CDG-HAN-SGN-CDG 3x weekly ?

I believe AF would opt for a scheme in which SGN would be served nonstop, at least in winter, whereas HAN would continue to be served as a tag on to BKK. The Vietnamese government, however, is forcing AF to offer nonstops to both destinations, which is just not profitable for the airline.

Quoting KL1291 (Reply 33):
I really miss a lot of pax B744 in this new scheme; is that true and are those giants replaced by especially B77W??

Compared to last winter, three B744 frames will be removed from the schedules next winter, for a total of 13 vs last year's 16 aircraft operational in the passenger fleet. F-GISA/B/E have been or will be converted to cargo configuration.
 
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RE: Air France Long Haul Schedule Winter 2007/2008

Tue Aug 21, 2007 1:56 pm

Quoting FlySSC (Thread starter):
ORD : 6 x Weekly A332

....oohhh..I can't wait to see the A332 @ ORD.. yes 
"Up the Irons!"
 
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RE: Air France Long Haul Schedule Winter 2007/2008

Tue Aug 21, 2007 4:21 pm

Hi,

What about SFO for April 2008?

Pierre j'ai perdu votre adresse électronique, pouvez vous me contacter SVP.

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RE: Air France Long Haul Schedule Winter 2007/2008

Tue Aug 21, 2007 4:36 pm

Quoting Flying Belgian (Reply 31):

Thanks a lot FLYSSC , I agree with Flying Belgian, "It is Crystal Clear" .

For me next september it will be CDG-SFO by B744 and next october
LAX-CDG by B773ER Yesss .

Have all a very good day,

Pat747
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RE: Air France Long Haul Schedule Winter 2007/2008

Tue Aug 21, 2007 5:21 pm

Quoting FlySSC (Reply 18):

BKK should be one of the first destination to receive the new B77W 2 Class that will replace the B744 starting 2009

Is there any info available on whether this plane will match the cabin config of the new KLM 2-class 77W?
Are there such plans?
 
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RE: Air France Long Haul Schedule Winter 2007/2008

Tue Aug 21, 2007 8:50 pm

Quoting FlySSC (Reply 18):
BKK should be one of the first destination to receive the new B77W 2 Class that will replace the B744 starting 2009.

Will this continue to be seasonal with a mix of a smaller aircraft operating the European Summer services (A343), or could it be year round?

Quoting Goldorak (Reply 25):
I just booked a CDG-BKK round trip on AF in january in J class and I was amazed to see on the seat map that, on the days I'm travelling, about half of the J seats were already booked 5 months before. The loads on these flights are very high every time I fly this route

AF seems to have high loads on the CDG-BKK routes, I wonder if a upgrade in services could be viable, perhaps more services in the European Winter?

Off to Asia again Goldorak, Good stuff  Smile

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RE: Air France Long Haul Schedule Winter 2007/2008

Tue Aug 21, 2007 9:45 pm

Quoting Haggis79 (Reply 29):



Quoting Blrsea (Reply 17):
So BLR gets upgraded from A332 to B772ER? good move!

Does most of the BLR/ Indian operations depend on the US market or is there a large enough market in Frace/EU to justify this route.
 
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RE: Air France Long Haul Schedule Winter 2007/2008

Tue Aug 21, 2007 10:24 pm

Quoting IAHFLYER (Reply 19):
That must be the shortest long haul ever!

Don't forget France's DOMs and TOMs. Regions that belong to France. Maybe those are considered as domestic flights even though they are longhaul flights.
Why is 10 afraid of 7? Because 7 8 9.
 
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RE: Air France Long Haul Schedule Winter 2007/2008

Tue Aug 21, 2007 11:01 pm

Quoting IAHFLYER (Reply 19):
That must be the shortest long haul ever!

Sorry .. FRA & EUR are of course the 2 Short/Medium Haul sectors.

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 28):
FlySSC, last month seems that GRU would receive 3 to 4 times a week the A343 replacing the A332 during the IATA winter. AF changed this ?

On all routes, the A332 are regularly swaped for an A343 and vice versa, according the loads or aircraft availabilities. That's one of the interest of operating the two types : same cockpit and cabin crew.
I just come back from OUA, the flight back was supposed to be with an A332, and we were informed on the day of departure that it was changed for an A343 due to the high loads in Y.

Quoting KL1291 (Reply 33):
PHL : daily AF366

Never been DAILY during the winter season

Quoting KL1291 (Reply 33):
EWR : was served at least 10 x weekly AF016 + AF018

That was a very long time ago, in the early 2000.

Quoting KL1291 (Reply 33):
JFK : 6 x Daily and now only 4 (B772ER + B772ER + A332 + B77W)

As usual. From summer to winter season.

Quoting KL1291 (Reply 33):
NKC : before February also served with AF332?

NKC was served 3 x Weekly with an A332, as an intermediate stop on the CDG-CKY flight.

Quoting KL1291 (Reply 33):
THR : is 4 x Weekly A343, was at least 5 x weekly

THR was 5 x Weekly A332, now 4 x Weekly A343

Quoting KL1291 (Reply 33):
BGF : is 1 x Weekly A332, was 2 or 3 x weekly

Also as an intermediate stop to NDJ.

Quoting Planetime (Reply 46):
Does most of the BLR/ Indian operations depend on the US market

Most PAX are connecting at CDG to/from U.S and Canada.

Quoting PHKLM (Reply 44):
Is there any info available on whether this plane will match the cabin config of the new KLM 2-class 77W?
Are there such plans?

No info yet on the seat number configuration, probably something around 42J/365Y with a 2x3x2 seating in J and 3x3x3 in Y.

Quoting GoMEA (Reply 35):
How is the BEY route doing. Apparently this year even during the summer period, loads were not at 100% and they didn't bring in a single additional flight despite MEA swapping the A321 with an A332 on the AF568/ME 210 flight.

As you said, the additional capacity nedded on CDG-BEY for the summer was provided by MEA; replacing the A321 by a second A332 on the night flight arriving early morning at Paris. This flights actually offers much more connections possibilities than the AF flight itself, arriving at 7:00PM.

The loads were kept high on the AF flight during the summer, AF changing sometimes the B77W for a B772ER but if the Lebanese kept returning to Lebanon for the summer holidays, the situation in the country of course cased a big drop of tourism.
 
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RE: Air France Long Haul Schedule Winter 2007/2008

Tue Aug 21, 2007 11:27 pm

Quoting KL1291 (Reply 33):
SOUTH AMERICA & CARIBBEAN*

GRU : 2 x Daily (at least with one B747 daily)

GIG : was 1 x Daily (B747)

GRU does not receive B747 daily, only GIG. I believe you made reference to the weekly cargo service that nowadays on a non-regular basis also goes to GIG.

Quoting FlySSC (Reply 48):
On all routes, the A332 are regularly swaped for an A343 and vice versa, according the loads or aircraft availabilities. That's one of the interest of operating the two types : same cockpit and cabin crew.
I just come back from OUA, the flight back was supposed to be with an A332, and we were informed on the day of departure that it was changed for an A343 due to the high loads in Y.

Thanks for the explanation, very informative, as usual.

Felipe
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