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July, 2007 Top U.S. Airports By Operations

Tue Aug 21, 2007 9:04 am

......................................Itinerant Operations................... Local Operations
RANK OPS FACILITY Air Carrier Air Taxi Gen.AV. Military Gen. Av. Military
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1..... 87936.... ATL...... 64713.... 22218..... 923.........82......... 0.......... 0
2..... 80570.... ORD..... 53442.... 26214..... 878........ 36......... 0.......... 0
3..... 60730.... LAX....... 41443.... 17342.... 1615...... 330......... 0.......... 0
4..... 59412.... DFW.... 42578.... 16298..... 478........ 58......... 0........... 0
5..... 55012.... DEN..... 40029.... 14446..... 524........ 13......... 0...........0
6..... 51787.... IAH....... 25396..... 25302.... 1057....... 32..........0...........0
7..... 51677.... LAS..... 34506..... 12600.... 4442......129......... 0.......... 0
8..... 44519.... PHX..... 34079...... 7254..... 2204......196........ 781........ 5
9..... 43800.... CLT...... 25312.... 15758..... 2578......152......... 0...........0
10... 42714.... PHL...... 24274..... 16362.... 1889.......189......... 0.......... 0

Obviously no surprise at #1 and #2. LAX beat DFW largely on DL/XE adds, and seasonal summer additions effective beginning of July. Also, DFW affected by weather during 1st half of July. DEN will be interesting to watch - continued F9 and WN schedule adds; Ramp up of Lynx operations - may be vying for #4 spot by this time next year. LAS' growth in ops beginning to flatten a bit with US scale back. Still up year-over-year though. Surprising to find that PHX still has local gen. av. (i.e. 'touch-and-gos') operations. CLT and PHL both benefitting from US.

Not listed at #11, JFK, which logged better than 40,000 ops during the month. It continues its torrid year-over-year growth as AA, B6 and DL battle.

[Edited 2007-08-21 02:16:06]
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RE: July, 2007 Top U.S. Airports By Operations

Tue Aug 21, 2007 9:39 am

I was very surprised to see CLT beating out PHL this time around. PHL just seems like a bigger, busier airport to me.
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RE: July, 2007 Top U.S. Airports By Operations

Tue Aug 21, 2007 9:47 am

Quoting Aaway (Thread starter):
Not listed at #11, JFK, which logged better than 40,000 ops during the month. It continues its torrid year-over-year growth as AA, B6 and DL battle.

Yes, LAX should be lower in the list since the data is a little skewed.

I find it hard to believe that JFK is even in the Top 20. DTW, MSP, LGA etc. etc. are all busier than JFK unless I'm missing something.

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RE: July, 2007 Top U.S. Airports By Operations

Tue Aug 21, 2007 10:57 am

I am suprised at CLT as well. Even though it's a big US airport, I always thought PHL had many more ops then CLT especially with US and WN having huge presences there.
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RE: July, 2007 Top U.S. Airports By Operations

Tue Aug 21, 2007 11:18 am

What does "air taxi" mean, anyway? I can't figure why there would be 10 to 30 times as many of them as of GA. Are fractional-ownership bizjets "air taxi"?

This is all fixed-wing only?
 
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RE: July, 2007 Top U.S. Airports By Operations

Tue Aug 21, 2007 11:19 am

Quoting Bond007 (Reply 2):

The only LAX stat line a bit skewy is the 'military ops' stat line, with an average of about 10.5 movements p/day during the month.

LAX has had a good deal of "permanent' rather than 'seasonal' frequency growth this year. It appears that the bulk of the DL/XE adds will stick, at least short term. Considering the aggressiveness with which DL/XE is scheduling LAX, even those markets that do fail will likely be quickly usurped by new markets.

VA's entry will facilitate additional movement growth. On the international front, MX added frequency at the beginning of the year. And, some of what historically had been summer seasonal adds for other carriers will stick for the winter schedule.

Yet, LAX is still approximately 10% below its peak ops years of 2000 through summer, 2001.

Regarding JFK, yes you've missed the boat there. Here's a year-over-year comparison for JFK aircraft movements:

Month...............2007 ops..........2006 ops..........2005 ops
July....................40147...............35167.............32817
June...................38896...............32041.............30723
May...................39098...............30916.............30928
April...................37764...............30719.............29645
March................38432...............30479.............30171
February............31959................25938.............26449
January..............37108................29272............28368

Simply a battle royale among AA, B6, and DL that will, barring the unforseen, last through 2008. Of course, JFK is choking on its success as a focus for multiple carriers. The runway configuration, coupled with sharp spikes in peak period scheduling activity during the evening, has become problematic at JFK.

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RE: July, 2007 Top U.S. Airports By Operations

Tue Aug 21, 2007 11:23 am

Quoting Timz (Reply 4):
What does "air taxi" mean, anyway?

In FAA parlance, an "air taxi" is an air carrier aircraft with a seating capacity of less than 70.
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RE: July, 2007 Top U.S. Airports By Operations

Tue Aug 21, 2007 11:27 am

Quoting Aaway (Reply 5):
Regarding JFK, yes you've missed the boat there. Here's a year-over-year comparison for JFK aircraft movements:

Month...............2007 ops..........2006 ops..........2005 ops
July....................40147...............35167.............32817
June...................38896...............32041.............30723
May...................39098...............30916.............30928
April...................37764...............30719.............29645
March................38432...............30479.............30171
February............31959................25938.............26449
January..............37108................29272............28368

Simply a battle royale among AA, B6, and DL that will, barring the unforseen, last through 2008. Of course, JFK is choking on its success as a focus for multiple carriers. The runway configuration, coupled with sharp peak period activity during the evening, has become problematic at JFK.

Wow, almost 9 and a half more flights per hour (assuming a 17 hour ops day) average at JFK, no wonder the delays are getting worse... anyone know the numbers for LGA and EWR? or a link where I can find them? I'm curious what the Y-O-Y increase is for the NY airspace as a whole...
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RE: July, 2007 Top U.S. Airports By Operations

Tue Aug 21, 2007 11:47 am

Quoting Aaway (Reply 6):
In FAA parlance, an "air taxi" is an air carrier aircraft with a seating capacity of less than 70.

Well, "air taxi" would be Part 135, and GA would also include Part 91 I presume. So biz/corporate are split between them. GA is not just light aircraft in this context.

Quoting Aaway (Reply 5):
Regarding JFK, yes you've missed the boat there.

Looking at actual data, as opposed to DOT reported, JFK is lower down the list (LAS, DTW, MSP, EWR all in contention)... but I guess we'll agree to discuss your figures  Smile


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RE: July, 2007 Top U.S. Airports By Operations

Tue Aug 21, 2007 12:48 pm

Quoting Bond007 (Reply 8):
Looking at actual data, as opposed to DOT reported, JFK is lower down the list (LAS, DTW, MSP, EWR all in contention)... but I guess we'll agree to discuss your figures

Just as an FYI, the movement date is courtesy of this website .

For July, 2007, DTW reported 39807 ops, EWR reported 37935 ops, and MSP reported 39279 ops

Quoting Bond007 (Reply 8):
Well, "air taxi" would be Part 135, and GA would also include Part 91 I presume. So biz/corporate are split between them. GA is not just light aircraft in this context

This is indeed correct which causes me to edit my previous answer. First, an "air taxi" is 60 seats or less (edit: keystroke), OR, or a maximum payload capacity of 18,000.pounds or less carrying passengers or cargo for hire or compensation . (edit: emphasis to elaborate on your point.)
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RE: July, 2007 Top U.S. Airports By Operations

Wed Aug 22, 2007 12:58 am

Quoting PITops (Reply 3):
I am suprised at CLT as well. Even though it's a big US airport, I always thought PHL had many more ops then CLT especially with US and WN having huge presences there.

US has over 100 more flts at CLT than PHL. Even with a strong WN presence at PHL, they end up about the same. I don't know what the figures have been in the past
 
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RE: July, 2007 Top U.S. Airports By Operations

Wed Aug 22, 2007 1:06 am

Quoting DeltaAVL (Reply 1):
I was very surprised to see CLT beating out PHL this time around. PHL just seems like a bigger, busier airport to me.



Quoting Usairways85 (Reply 10):
US has over 100 more flts at CLT than PHL. Even with a strong WN presence at PHL, they end up about the same.

Yes, I think it's all perception. Whenever I quote CLT figures, I get the same response. The difference is that PHL is often in the news because of delays, and CLT rarely ... so folks think PHL is this big, busy, airport, on the East Coast, and CLT in the Carolinas .. how can it be THAT busy!

Of course, CLT is a dream to connect in ... as opposed to PHL.


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RE: July, 2007 Top U.S. Airports By Operations

Wed Aug 22, 2007 2:57 am

Oh, I remember when MSP always used to be in Top 10 busiest US airports list. It makes me sad.  Sad

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RE: July, 2007 Top U.S. Airports By Operations

Wed Aug 22, 2007 7:26 am

Quoting Usairways85 (Reply 10):
US has over 100 more flts at CLT than PHL. Even with a strong WN presence at PHL, they end up about the same. I don't know what the figures have been in the past



Quoting Bond007 (Reply 11):
Yes, I think it's all perception. Whenever I quote CLT figures, I get the same response. The difference is that PHL is often in the news because of delays, and CLT rarely ... so folks think PHL is this big, busy, airport, on the East Coast, and CLT in the Carolinas .. how can it be THAT busy!

Of course, CLT is a dream to connect in ... as opposed to PHL.

Actually, here is a more comprehensive annual listing for all of 2006:
http://www.airports.org/cda/aci_comm..._c.jsp?zn=aci&cp=1-5-54-57_666_2__

Regarding CLT and PHL. Although the annual "aircraft movements" are close, the airports themselves have very different characteristics.

CLT is heavily supported by connecting traffic via US. in fact for the 12 month period ending March 2007, of all domestic flying, only 27% of passengers originated at or had CLT as their final destination. PHL's same statistic is 67%. Consequently, approximately 73% of all arriving/departing passengers at CLT never set foot outside of the airport. This does not include the annual international (less U.S. Caribbean) airport originating/departing passengers, which is 4.9M for PHL (heavily Europe) and 1.8M for CLT (heavily Caribbean).

The officially reported US Airways passenger percentages is 66.43% for CLT and 46.4% for PHL (US) & 12.6% (WN) - this includes supporting US Commuter services. A very different situation for PHL. It becomes very obvious which airport is a "destination" airport and which is primarily a "connecting" hub. Of the approx. 44,000 PHL movements for May 2007, WN had about 4030 - not a relatively significant contributor to "movements". Although, they intend to increase that number when more gates are available later this year.

What all of this appears to illustrate is how dependent CLT is on US, versus PHL and if US where to exit CLT, it would likely quickly revert to significantly less "movements" to primarily support it's relatively small O&D. Whereas PHL would likely stabilize much quicker, not only because of much larger O&D, but also because it currently supports many more airlines, which would likely expand their services. I do agree however, CLT is today an easier airport for connections. This may have a lot to do with both the obvious airport infrastructure and physical size differences and the complexity and busyness of processing many more originating passengers at PHL.
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RE: July, 2007 Top U.S. Airports By Operations

Wed Aug 22, 2007 7:38 am

Quoting Vega (Reply 13):
only 27% of passengers originated at or had CLT as their final destination. PHL's same statistic is 67%. Consequently, approximately 73% of all arriving/departing passengers at CLT never set foot outside of the airport.

Although I'm not sure what this means as far as the perception of one being 'busier'. You could actually argue that those connecting, actually see a bigger effect as far as delays and cancellations, but it's still PHL that's thought of as the most busy ... perhaps being #30 in line for takeoff at PHL is a good reason  Wink

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RE: July, 2007 Top U.S. Airports By Operations

Wed Aug 22, 2007 8:06 am

Quoting SESGDL (Reply 12):
MSP always used to be in Top 10 busiest US airports list.

When?
 
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RE: July, 2007 Top U.S. Airports By Operations

Wed Aug 22, 2007 8:47 am

Quoting Bond007 (Reply 14):
Although I'm not sure what this means as far as the perception of one being 'busier'. You could actually argue that those connecting, actually see a bigger effect as far as delays and cancellations, but it's still PHL that's thought of as the most busy ... perhaps being #30 in line for takeoff at PHL is a good reason

First it was not my intent to denigrate CLT in any way - I very much like the airport. I think originating passengers tend to be located in and congregate in many more areas of the airport (TSA, ticketing, baggage check, etc.) making it appear very busy, which it usually is. Whereas, connecting passengers usually just move from gate to gate. Also, US has much more TO and Landing flexibility at CLT than it does at PHL because of competing airline traffic. I mean the tower doesn't have a lot of priority decisions to make when 70+% of a departure/arrival slot is US Airways (CLT).
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RE: July, 2007 Top U.S. Airports By Operations

Wed Aug 22, 2007 8:53 am

Quoting Vega (Reply 16):
I think originating passengers tend to be located in and congregate in many more areas of the airport (TSA, ticketing, baggage check, etc.) making it appear very busy, which it usually is. Whereas, connecting passengers usually just move from gate to gate

Yes, I actually wasn't thinking that ... good point. Although my concept of 'busy' meant more from an air traffic sense (since we were talking movements), rather than people.

Quoting Vega (Reply 16):
I mean the tower doesn't have a lot of priority decisions to make when 70+% of a departure/arrival slot is US Airways (CLT).

Well, the tower shouldn't have many (or any) priority decisions to make even if there were 10 airlines.

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