iFLYjets
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Where Did US Get Their Aircraft From?

Tue Aug 21, 2007 12:31 pm

I work for inflight with US West. I was wondering why are some planes configured diff inside. Some airplanes have smaller V1 engines too. Theyre like hair dryers. My question is where have they gotten these airplanes from? Like what airlines? Both A320 and B733. I know some 320's came from BRANIFF, but what about the other? Any info would be great. Ive always been curious about this.
 
bomber996
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RE: Where Did US Get Their Aircraft From?

Tue Aug 21, 2007 1:16 pm

I know US east got their aircraft from Eastern after they went defunct.

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freshlove1
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RE: Where Did US Get Their Aircraft From?

Tue Aug 21, 2007 1:29 pm

This is for the HP aircraft



The 747's that they had back in the day were ex-KLM aircraft

Those Braniff A320's were aquired at a very cheap price so it really didn't matter what the configuration was, price is what they were probably going for

Most of the other HP aircraft (737,757,A319, A320) were either bought/leased straight from Airbus/Boeing or leased through a secondary lease company. You would probably need a registration number to track exactly where each aircraft has been.
 
vega
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RE: Where Did US Get Their Aircraft From?

Tue Aug 21, 2007 2:06 pm

3 x 320-232s From Aero Lloyd
1 x 320-232 From Constellation Int
1 x 320-232 From SAETA (Ecuador)
15 x 320-231s From Braniff
1 x 320-232 From TACA
1 x 320-231 From Midway
5 x 737-3S3s From Air Europe
2 x 737-3B7/3Y0 From Western Pacific
6 x 757-2S7s From Northwest Air
3 x 757-225s From Eastern
I believe all the rest are from direct purchase/lease or from a second source. These are HP aircraft only and do not include the former USAir (US Airways) fleet.
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Sandager
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RE: Where Did US Get Their Aircraft From?

Tue Aug 21, 2007 4:28 pm

Quoting IFLYjets (Thread starter):
I know some 320's came from BRANIFF, but what about the other?

Didn't braniff stop operations in May 1982? The first Airbus A320 entered service in 1988. So how can some A320's come from Braniff to America West, or was it US?. I am a little bit confused.
 
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RE: Where Did US Get Their Aircraft From?

Tue Aug 21, 2007 4:47 pm

Quoting Sandager (Reply 4):
Didn't braniff stop operations in May 1982? The first Airbus A320 entered service in 1988. So how can some A320's come from Braniff to America West, or was it US?. I am a little bit confused.

This was the new Braniff, a reincarnation founded in 1984. They were definitely still around in 1989/90. They were rapidly growing between 1984 and 1989. I can´t remember when exactly they folded?!

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Sandager
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RE: Where Did US Get Their Aircraft From?

Tue Aug 21, 2007 6:25 pm

L1011lover


Thanks.. Didn't know that.....
 
m404
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RE: Where Did US Get Their Aircraft From?

Tue Aug 21, 2007 8:58 pm

. Some airplanes have smaller V1 engines too.

What is a V1 engine?
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iFLYjets
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RE: Where Did US Get Their Aircraft From?

Tue Aug 21, 2007 10:47 pm

well some airplanes like we have been in FLL or ORD and we can only take certain amounts of people and cargo. those planes on a hot day in phx have to leave bags or leave like 15 to 20 people behind. they are smaller V1 engines. dunno why.
 
vapar8
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RE: Where Did US Get Their Aircraft From?

Tue Aug 21, 2007 11:45 pm

A lot of those A320s are from Braniff well the 2nd one. Do a photo search you will see Braniff A320s. They got them cheap. That is when they got there first A320s. The first 6 757 were from Republic or built for them, but when they became Northwest they did not want them because the were RB 211 powered. Those 747 were so old LOL and damn near put them out of business.
 
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RE: Where Did US Get Their Aircraft From?

Tue Aug 21, 2007 11:56 pm

Quoting Vapar8 (Reply 9):
Those 747 were so old LOL and damn near put them out of business.

Those 747s weren't any older than 15 years old at the time HP put them into service.
 
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RE: Where Did US Get Their Aircraft From?

Wed Aug 22, 2007 3:09 am

OK, I think what you mean is that some acft have lower rated thrust available for high-hot field performance. V1 is not an engine type but a take off stage (in layman terms). I know we had the same problem at LAS with some older acft and we'd argue with acft scheduling that in August, if they used that equipment at that time of day we could take pax or bags but not both.
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paladin87
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RE: Where Did US Get Their Aircraft From?

Wed Aug 22, 2007 3:50 am

[quote=Vapar8,reply=9]The first 6 757 were from Republic or built for them, but when they became Northwest they did not want them because the were RB 211 powered.

didn't those 757's also have a loading system in the cargo hold? If so are they still in Use?
 
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RE: Where Did US Get Their Aircraft From?

Wed Aug 22, 2007 3:52 am

On the East side, all 737 models, all Airbus models and all the 767's came factory fresh to either US or Piedmont (767 and 737's). Half of the 767's were delivered to PI before the merger, the others after. The 400's were ordered by PI, but almost all of them were delivered to US post merger. Some were delivered to PI in hybrid US livery. PI also brought 300's with it too.

About 12 of the 757's came from EA after sitting a year or more in the desert. They are the lower tail numbers (600-612) in the old pre-merger numbering system. They have 737-300 style interior sidewalls and PSU's. The last half were ordered factory fresh from Boeing and have 737-400 style interior sidewalls and advanced PSU's.
 
m404
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RE: Where Did US Get Their Aircraft From?

Wed Aug 22, 2007 4:03 am

I seem to remember that those loading systems on the RC 757s were taken out even before NW got them as they were "unreliable" in the test period. Good question.
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paladin87
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RE: Where Did US Get Their Aircraft From?

Wed Aug 22, 2007 4:17 am

Quoting M404 (Reply 14):
I seem to remember that those loading systems on the RC 757s were taken out even before NW got them as they were "unreliable" in the test period. Good question.

Have you seen(or heard )of the "carpet" in NW's 757s now?
 
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RE: Where Did US Get Their Aircraft From?

Wed Aug 22, 2007 4:53 am

No, "the carpet" is a new term to me. Not on "line" anymore but will see what I can find out.
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vapar8
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RE: Where Did US Get Their Aircraft From?

Wed Aug 22, 2007 5:56 am

The 747 were 18-19 years old. I think all have been broken up.
 
paladin87
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RE: Where Did US Get Their Aircraft From?

Wed Aug 22, 2007 6:08 am

Quoting L1011Lover (Reply 5):
I can´t remember when exactly they folded?!

The history say they stopped regular service in 1990 and only operated charters in 91 & 92 then it was over. I flew them in
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ABQopsHP
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RE: Where Did US Get Their Aircraft From?

Wed Aug 22, 2007 6:16 am

The HP 757s had the retractable bin system removed for weight conservation. Those a/c came from RC (old Republic). The original A320s came from Braniff 2 (or was it 3 by then?). I was in the original training class for the delivery of those first 10 A320s in the early 90s. The hair dryer engines you talk about are the IAE Engines AG V2500, and that was what was on the original BN A320s so we went with that on the rest of the fleet, plus HP got a good deal on them via Airbus. They also have had good performance on HOT days, and even at high altitude airports such as ABQ, I almost never took a weight restriction on them. The US Airbus fleet has the CFM-56 powerplants, which are larger in circumference. The 737 fleet is a mix bag of a/c. I remember some having Garuda Indonesian interiors, and signage. The company also got a few 737-200s way way back from CP on lease. A/C 141 thru 147 had those tiny overhead bins, so small a roller bag wouldnt fit in them.
PS. Those 747s from KL were pieces of junk.

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frontierflyer
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RE: Where Did US Get Their Aircraft From?

Wed Aug 22, 2007 7:04 am

Quoting Socalfive (Reply 10):
Those 747s weren't any older than 15 years old at the time HP put them into service.



Quoting ABQopsHP (Reply 19):
Those 747s from KL were pieces of junk.

Does anyone know how long HP kept the 747's? I think KL sold them the one that crashed at Tenerife.LOL
 
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RE: Where Did US Get Their Aircraft From?

Wed Aug 22, 2007 7:17 am

Quoting Frontierflyer (Reply 20):
Does anyone know how long HP kept the 747's?

Between 2 and 3 years, 1989/90 to 1991/92. They were KL's first 4 747-200s, ex-PH-BUA/BUB/BUC/BUD, and became N531AW through N534AW at HP.
 
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RE: Where Did US Get Their Aircraft From?

Wed Aug 22, 2007 7:31 am

It is more than a bit odd that those ancient ex-EA 757's ended up reunited at the "new" US Airways.
 
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RE: Where Did US Get Their Aircraft From?

Wed Aug 22, 2007 7:32 am

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 21):
Between 2 and 3 years, 1989/90 to 1991/92. They were KL's first 4 747-200s, ex-PH-BUA/BUB/BUC/BUD, and became N531AW through N534AW at HP.

Its a good thing HP realized their mistake soon. Flying one passenger to Japan on a 747 does not make good business sense. I wonder if they upgraded him to first class?
 
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RE: Where Did US Get Their Aircraft From?

Wed Aug 22, 2007 11:32 am

Quoting Frontierflyer (Reply 23):
Its a good thing HP realized their mistake soon. Flying one passenger to Japan on a 747 does not make good business sense. I wonder if they upgraded him to first class?

I am sure that it wouldn't even matter where he sat in that regard. The entire crew would be paying sole attention to him whether he was in F or all the way in the back.  Smile

Of course, the seats in F are more comfy and of higher quality... usually anyway. I don't know much about HP's F class from back in the day unfortunately...
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RE: Where Did US Get Their Aircraft From?

Wed Aug 22, 2007 12:31 pm

The retractable bin system that was removed on the HP 757. Does that include the one located in the front bin, aft of the cargo door? I ask because every one of HP's 757's had them in 2004, even the non republic birds.

While I am at it. Last month I flew on an HP 319 N835AW. It had the new style of interior that HP was installing just before they announced the US merger. Most comfortable coach seat I have ever had IMO. Flew back on N821AW that had the green cloth seats. I was disappointed to say the least. Getting back to my query, what style of interiors will the new birds coming in from airbus have? and will they standardize the fleet? I hope the seats are similar to N835AWs. I will even put up with the nasty US service for them. ( a trip report I intend to post from a trip from last month, PHX-DTW DTW-PHX that is both nice and not so nice!)
 
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RE: Where Did US Get Their Aircraft From?

Wed Aug 22, 2007 12:53 pm

Quoting Socalfive (Reply 10):
Quoting Vapar8 (Reply 9):
Those 747 were so old LOL and damn near put them out of business.

Those 747s weren't any older than 15 years old at the time HP put them into service.

Afterwards I believe two or three went to TWA, which were over 20 years old by that time. And we all know how that story ended..  Sad
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RE: Where Did US Get Their Aircraft From?

Wed Aug 22, 2007 1:09 pm

Quoting ScottB (Reply 22):
It is more than a bit odd that those ancient ex-EA 757's ended up reunited at the "new" US Airways.

Yes. What a marriage made in heaven. "You have shitty Eastern 757s." "No, YOU have shitty Eastern 757s." Maybe US had the more dignified fleet than HP, but only barely.

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