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What's Between Swiss Intl And Novartis?

Wed Aug 22, 2007 6:37 am

Yesterday I saw a Swiss Intl A330 with the Novarits title logo painted on its nose. I saw the same one a week ago as well (not sure if they are the same aircraft).

So what does Swiss Intl have to do with a leading Swiss Pharma company? Are Novartis investing in Swiss Intl?
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RE: What's Between Swiss Intl And Novartis?

Wed Aug 22, 2007 6:52 am

I dont know specifics as to why an aircraft is painted, however Novartis is a large corporate account for LX and is one of the primary drivers of Swiss and previous Swissair providing services at EWR.
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RE: What's Between Swiss Intl And Novartis?

Mon Aug 27, 2007 4:20 pm

Novartis has given a lot of money when Swiss was in need of money, especially during the start up. One of the payments was 100 mio. CHF in cash.

The corporate account today is nothing special as they have corporate accounts with several airlines. Today Novartis flies easyJet out of BSL whenever possible (employees need a special permission to fly on other carriers when EZY is available), however Lufthansa is the main airline for longhaul flights (Novartis today is the largest customer of Lufthansa in Switzerland). Of course they use other carriers too...BA, SK, AF and OS see many passengers as well...

The LX production in Basel today is small and cannot be compared to the one they had during Swissair/Crossair times, the connections between Novartis and Swiss therefore are small. However Swiss could gain back passengers with expanding services. According to well informed sources, Swiss indeed is planning to base another aircraft in BSL next spring...we will see!

As for a direct BSL-EWR flight. Demand is there but Novartis and the other big companies in BSL at the same time are demanding big discounts so a direct flight is wishful thinking as long as the big companies have a somehow ridiculous idea of how much they should pay for a biz flight across the atlantic...

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RE: What's Between Swiss Intl And Novartis?

Mon Aug 27, 2007 5:41 pm

Maybe the aircraft had been chartered by Novartis, or simply carrying a number of Novartis guests. Land Rover and Jaguar have previously had logos on aircraft in a non advertising manner.
 
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RE: What's Between Swiss Intl And Novartis?

Mon Aug 27, 2007 6:09 pm

Quoting RJ100 (Reply 2):
As for a direct BSL-EWR flight. Demand is there but Novartis and the other big companies in BSL at the same time are demanding big discounts so a direct flight is wishful thinking as long as the big companies have a somehow ridiculous idea of how much they should pay for a biz flight across the atlantic...

That is not correct. LX had made made a rather attractive offer to the local enterprises of the trirhena area. All SWISS would have needed would have been a commitment for a minimum of eight seat per flight to launch the service offering a corporate deal. The price was never a real issue. Planning for the flight was actually already far advanced. Once SWISS failed to obtain a commitment for eight seats though, the issue was dropped. Contrary to what some people seem to believe, there simply is not enough demand to sustain a service between BSL and the New York area.
 
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RE: What's Between Swiss Intl And Novartis?

Mon Aug 27, 2007 6:52 pm

Quoting Wolverhampton (Reply 3):
Maybe the aircraft had been chartered by Novartis, or simply carrying a number of Novartis guests. Land Rover and Jaguar have previously had logos on aircraft in a non advertising manner.

No, its been marked Novartis for years now... not just a single flight.


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RE: What's Between Swiss Intl And Novartis?

Mon Aug 27, 2007 7:42 pm

Quoting Knightsofmalta (Reply 4):
That is not correct. LX had made made a rather attractive offer to the local enterprises of the trirhena area. All SWISS would have needed would have been a commitment for a minimum of eight seat per flight to launch the service offering a corporate deal. The price was never a real issue. Planning for the flight was actually already far advanced. Once SWISS failed to obtain a commitment for eight seats though, the issue was dropped. Contrary to what some people seem to believe, there simply is not enough demand to sustain a service between BSL and the New York area.

The reason why they did not guarantee 8 seats is in my opinion because they have a good deal with LH. I don't know how much money LX wanted for each seat but hardly they could beat LH's still valid contract. Seeing that Novartis currently once again sends letters to employees to tell them they should save money on travelling, no airline will ever see a guarantee unless the price is lower than anything seen before...it's Novartis...they spend money for prestigeous things but when it comes down to the normal employee they save every Rappen.

Good move by LX however and interesting to here your comment.

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RE: What's Between Swiss Intl And Novartis?

Mon Aug 27, 2007 7:46 pm

Quoting RJ100 (Reply 6):

LH vs. LX, somehow that doesn't sound right, after all, they're the same company  Silly So wether the deal was signed with LH or LX doesn't matter anymore, as it stayed in the same company.
 
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RE: What's Between Swiss Intl And Novartis?

Mon Aug 27, 2007 9:37 pm

The deal was signed with Lufthansa when airlines were in urgent need of customers...times in aviation change and Lufthansa today would never again do such a deal again. You can say about Novartis what you want but they are not stupid...they are extremely hard in negociating with airlines (and not only with airlines) and they will always make a deal that is in favour of them. There are people flying BSL-FRA-ORD and back EWR-FRA-BSL in biz including a United domestic flight in biz for around 2500 Francs, including taxes and a fee for the travel agency (bti Kuoni, Carlson Wagonlit etc.). As long as they receive these prices they will never switch to another carrier nor will they guarantee a fixed amount of seats to another airline.
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RE: What's Between Swiss Intl And Novartis?

Tue Aug 28, 2007 5:03 am

The Privatair wetlease for LX ZRH=EWR is known as the Novartis express.................
 
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RE: What's Between Swiss Intl And Novartis?

Tue Aug 28, 2007 5:11 am

Quoting RJ100 (Reply 8):
they are extremely hard in negociating with airlines (and not only with airlines) and they will always make a deal that is in favour of them.

As if they couldnt afford it  Yeah sure
 
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RE: What's Between Swiss Intl And Novartis?

Tue Aug 28, 2007 6:01 am

Another reason I forgot to tell is that Novartis USA has a long term agreement with CO. They fly all pax on CO to ZRH while the BSL staff mainly uses LH. There's only little room for a direct LX service as long as Novartis and the other companies don't get their act together.

Quoting SandroZRH (Reply 10):
As if they couldnt afford it

The philosophy of many large companies...big money for some few ones but at the same time saving where they can with the normal employee...

As I'm a shareholder of this company I should speak up on the next shareholder meeting. Big grin Would actually be quite funny to hear the reaction to this complete off topic matter. Big grin
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RE: What's Between Swiss Intl And Novartis?

Tue Aug 28, 2007 1:01 pm

I flew HB-IQA on a ZRH - ORD flight in July and noticed the Novartis sticker upon boarding... found the advertising quite interesting.

Also noticed that HB-IQO, which I flew from ORD to ZRH, does not have the Novartis sticker...

So, is IQA the only Swiss bus to have the sticker?
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RE: What's Between Swiss Intl And Novartis?

Tue Aug 28, 2007 9:24 pm

HB-IQA and HB-IQJ have those Novartis titles. Perhaps it's worth mentioning, that they are only on the left side of the aircraft.

Why the aircraft wear thos titles has been explained above.

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