a380us
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Are Alaska Flight Tours Safe?

Wed Aug 22, 2007 4:38 am

Hi im going to alaska next week and i was wondering if u think these tours (helicopter and sea plane) are safe
considering there have been 2 accidents in the past month

thanks for your help
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Are Alaska Flight Tours Safe?

Wed Aug 22, 2007 4:40 am

Quoting A380US (Thread starter):
Hi im going to alaska next week and i was wondering if u think these tours (helicopter and sea plane) are safe
considering there have been 2 accidents in the past month

Yes. They are safe. End of.
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Are Alaska Flight Tours Safe?

Wed Aug 22, 2007 4:43 am

No. They are not safe. Your plane will crash and burn, and all hope will be lost.

 sarcastic 

Of course they are safe. Alaska is a part of the United States you know... thereby subjecting them to FAA regulations.
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Are Alaska Flight Tours Safe?

Wed Aug 22, 2007 5:02 am

Quoting JetsGo (Reply 2):
No. They are not safe. Your plane will crash and burn, and all hope will be lost

 rotfl   rotfl   rotfl   rotfl   rotfl 

Yes they are safe.
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Are Alaska Flight Tours Safe?

Wed Aug 22, 2007 5:23 am

Yes! One of the highlights of my Alaska trip with the family was a sea-plane tour to Taku from Juneau w/ Wings of Alaska Airlines.

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Are Alaska Flight Tours Safe?

Wed Aug 22, 2007 5:40 am

Avoid them at all cost! Be very careful, take no chances so you can live long enough to develop one of those painful, degrading, untreatable diseases that will drain your family fortunes before you inevitably die.

On second thought, live a little, take a chance.

Alaska is paradigm-shifting gorgeous and just far too grand to be seen from the ground. One of those things that makes me happiest is the fact that I got to see (more than once) the great massif behind Yakutat, that includes Mount St. Elias, Mount Logan and others. It is above 15000' for something like fifty miles. Try sightseeing that from a cruise ship.

I'd like to take the open-cockpit ride out of Merrill Field some time. Newly minted Waco bipes. Nothing between you and H. Slartibartfast' finest work but some goggles.
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Are Alaska Flight Tours Safe?

Wed Aug 22, 2007 5:43 am

well im doing a helicopter tour and then dog sledding in Junea i was jsut nervouse
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Are Alaska Flight Tours Safe?

Wed Aug 22, 2007 6:04 am

Quoting A380US (Reply 6):
dog sledding

Oh, well now...

Dog sleds are unregulated. Who knows what they feed those things? Maybe poor tippers!
Actually this sounds pretty cool.
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Are Alaska Flight Tours Safe?

Wed Aug 22, 2007 6:13 am

I am always skeptical of those tour helo's. They are always crashing in the canyon or hawaii. I would do the fixed wing tours and only twin engine helicopter tours. No Astars or 206's thank you. I've seen too many helicopters that have crashed.
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Are Alaska Flight Tours Safe?

Wed Aug 22, 2007 6:15 am

I flew out of Talkeetna (sp) about three years ago and did a sight-seeing tour of Mt. Denali. I believe the carrier was K2 Aviation. The plane was a DHV-Beaver. It was probably one of the coolest things that I have ever done.
 
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RE: Are Alasaka Flight Tours Safe?

Wed Aug 22, 2007 6:33 am

I'd answer but you spelled Alaska wrong in the Thread Title . . . . .  wink 

I fixed it for you . . .  biggrin 





Yes, the things are safe. THousands of people a year fly all over Alaska on Beavers, Cubs, Otters, and the like . . . thousands of them.
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RE: Are Alasaka Flight Tours Safe?

Wed Aug 22, 2007 6:35 am

Quoting Fumanchewd (Reply 8):
They are always crashing in the canyon or hawaii.

Daily? Semi Daily?
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RE: Are Alaska Flight Tours Safe?

Wed Aug 22, 2007 6:51 am

Quoting AA61Hvy (Reply 11):
Daily? Semi Daily?

Close to it.  Wink


Here are the rules the FAA implemented because they were dropping like flies in Hawaii.
http://rgl.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Gu...256c920059f228!OpenDocument&Click=

We were trying to work with the PHNL FSDO about three months ago, but it was difficult because they were all wrapped up working on the series of helo crashes they had this spring.
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RE: Are Alaska Flight Tours Safe?

Wed Aug 22, 2007 7:07 am

If you do get in a vehicle crash, chances are its going to be on the drive to the airport/heliport/seaplane base.

I am a believer in the safety of these things, but I do my research first. I also confirm that the pilot's done the preflight and kind of watch over his/her shoulder to see how they fly. Maybe a tad bit paranoid, but I'm writing this now, so they must have done their job correctly. I won't complain about their flying style, and will only mention things that I think are really dangerous.
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RE: Are Alaska Flight Tours Safe?

Wed Aug 22, 2007 7:57 am

Of course they are safe!


You know, Homer loved Alaska that much he's never going back to America  Wink
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RE: Are Alaska Flight Tours Safe?

Wed Aug 22, 2007 8:17 am

dont be nervouse when you go to Junea jsut do it ull be fine

im more nervouse about punctuations than sea planes
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RE: Are Alaska Flight Tours Safe?

Wed Aug 22, 2007 9:05 am

Quoting A380US (Reply 6):
well im doing a helicopter tour and then dog sledding in Junea i was jsut nervouse

I did both of those when I wen't to Alaska this summer. I'm still alive.
 
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RE: Are Alaska Flight Tours Safe?

Wed Aug 22, 2007 9:32 am

I did a tour with Rusts Flying Service out of Lake Hood in Anchorage and had a great time. K2 does fly out of Talkeetna as mentioned in a previous post.

I have a great picture of 4 float planes on Chelatna Lake - but can't get it to upload - happy to e-mail a copy if you send me a note.
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RE: Are Alaska Flight Tours Safe?

Wed Aug 22, 2007 10:06 am

Yes they are safe.

But.....I will add a caveat.

Flying in a floatplane will always be riskier then landing on a runway. A water surface is less defined and more turbulent then asphalt.
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RE: Are Alaska Flight Tours Safe?

Wed Aug 22, 2007 2:15 pm

I must say one of the most amazing experiences of my life was on 7/24/2006. My girlfriends family and I went on a flight seeing tour of Mt. McKinley (not Mt. Denali....it is called Denali) that left at 7 a.m. When we took off, there was not a cloud in all of Alaska. The flight through the gorges, cliffs, and glaciers were spectacular. The return flight from Healy was amazing as well but the weather had moved in and the views were not quite as spectacular as earlier that morning.
To answer the question, yes flight seeing tours in Alaska are safe. The pilots are probably as qualified if not more qualified to fly their planes as the pilot that took you up to AK on your 757 or 767 or whatever. Pilots in Alaska are exposed to some of the most harsh conditions on the planet and fly as a way of life. The pilots are qualified (I am sure there are one or two bad apples) and although old, the planes are extremely well maintained. These planes have managed to fly through these harsh conditions for decades and are still able to do the job.
Talkeetna aero services were great if you are in the interior near Talkeetna. Plus you get off the plane, drive one or two hundred yards and get an Alaskan Amber Ale from one of the fine pubs in the area. Have fun. Alaska is the greatest place on Earth and I am jealouse you are going. Have a great trip!
 
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RE: Are Alaska Flight Tours Safe?

Wed Aug 22, 2007 11:30 pm

Having lived in Southeast Alaska for thirteen years and Juneau for ten. The flight seeing excursions are generally safe. Many of the flight seeing pilots have logged hundreds if not thousands of flight hours. Don't be affraid to ask for the pilots credentials. Most of the flights are low altitude.

I encourage you to monitor the weather before you fly. I personally would not fly in a puddle jumper on a day which is socked in with weather or low cloud ceilings. Wind can also play a factor in the channels and in the mountain passes.

You also might want to ask the airline if they are DOD certified/approved, meaning are they allowed to fly DOD personnel. If they are not, I would not fly with them. DOD has strict certification standards/requirements. Ask to see the certification if there is uncertainty

You can also contact the FAA flight service station in the community you want to fly or review Alaska aviation forecast here: http://pafc.arh.noaa.gov/tafobs.php

If you can't fly in Ketchikan because of weather, wait for the next day when you are in Juneau or whereever else your travels might take you. The Misty Fjords outside of Ketchikan are extremely beautiful on a clear day. But you don't want to put yourself in harms way getting there.
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RE: Are Alaska Flight Tours Safe?

Wed Aug 22, 2007 11:37 pm

Sure they're safe, only if you consider all those Las Vegas, Grand Canyon and Hawaii air tours safe. Just as long as you didn't find your pilot standing drunk next you a tree holding a sign you made out of cardboard.
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RE: Are Alaska Flight Tours Safe?

Wed Aug 22, 2007 11:39 pm

Quoting GentFromAlaska (Reply 20):
Having lived in Southeast Alaska for thirteen years and Juneau for ten. The flight seeing excursions are generally safe. Many of the flight seeing pilots have logged hundreds if not thousands of flight hours. Don't be affraid to ask for the pilots credentials. Most of the flights are low altitude.

The pilot will definitely have his or her licenses, but don't expect them to carry a logbook. They aren't legally required to nor are they required to produce it immediately if asked for it from the FAA.

Just having a commercial pilot's license doesn't make a pilot safe.

Quoting GentFromAlaska (Reply 20):
I encourage you to monitor the weather before you fly. I personally would not fly in a puddle jumper on a day which is socked in with weather or low cloud ceilings. Wind can also play a factor in the channels and in the mountain passes.

This is a very good idea. Keep in mind, socked in does not mean simply mean overcast though. Foggy and low ceilings are what you want to watch for.

Quoting GentFromAlaska (Reply 20):

You also might want to ask the airline if they are DOD certified/approved, meaning are they allowed to fly DOD personnel. If they are not, I would not fly with them. DOD has strict certification standards/requirements. Ask to see the certification if there is uncertainty

I'm not sure of the exact requirements. However, my airline is DOD approved and have done DOD charters to destinations where other operators already fly because we are two crew and the other airline is not. Thus, its possible that a sightseeing operator, no matter how safe, cannot receive the DOD "certification" simply because they fly single pilot.

I'd look into the requirements before making a judgment on an operation.

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RE: Are Alaska Flight Tours Safe?

Wed Aug 22, 2007 11:40 pm

The link I provided above is for pilots and may not be understood by the flying public.

Use the public forecast here http://pafc.arh.noaa.gov/pubfcst.php for a plain language snapshot of the weather. I believe the forecast is updated every six hours. The numbers represent zones. I believe Juneau for example is 025
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RE: Are Alaska Flight Tours Safe?

Thu Aug 23, 2007 12:02 am

Quoting CO777ER (Reply 9):
DHV-Beaver

Huh? Just messin :P

Anywho as a floatplane pilot myself, its not bad man. Theyre a blast and they are as safe as the pilots flying and the mechanics who work on them. I have personally dealt with Promech Air outta Ketchikan and have loved their operation. Ive heard good things about Wings of Alaska and TEMCO out of Juneau. I have an old friend who flew for Temco for 3 summers, now he's flying a medevac helicopter in Ohio. (Poor bast***...). Giving up Alaska for ohio...sad.

Anywho no sweat man. Take lots of pictures for us continentals! Someday I'll get back to AK...

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RE: Are Alaska Flight Tours Safe?

Thu Aug 23, 2007 12:03 am

Quoting ATCT (Reply 24):
Anywho as a floatplane pilot myself, its not bad man.

uts a helicoter flightto a glacier
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RE: Are Alaska Flight Tours Safe?

Thu Aug 23, 2007 6:33 am

I would have to say that they are indeed very safe. Those Alaska fly boys and girls are some of the most talented and experienced. Also take into consideration how many flights and tours these companies do per day. I would not pass up the opportunity to experience Alaska and its beauty by air any day. I have not taken the air tours, but I have heard great things about them. Especially the glacier landings. I took a cruise a few years back to Alaska, and I wanted to go so badly. I could not do so due to the fact that I had already paid for my tours ahead of time, and did not even think to do a flight tour in one of our ports. Will I be back? Oh yes, and I will indeed take an air tour!

Are Grand Canyon airlines safe? They sure are. That is another once in a lifetime opportunity you would not want to miss out on!
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RE: Are Alaska Flight Tours Safe?

Thu Aug 23, 2007 7:01 am

Quoting TheGreatChecko (Reply 22):
I'm not sure of the exact requirements. However, my airline is DOD approved and have done DOD charters to destinations where other operators already fly because we are two crew and the other airline is not. Thus, its possible that a sightseeing operator, no matter how safe, cannot receive the DOD "certification" simply because they fly single pilot.

The cases I've heard about were not safety issues per se. In one instance the aircraft company did not carry enough liability insurance to meet DOD requirement.
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