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Qantas 747's

Wed Aug 22, 2007 8:59 am

My second attempt to broach this subject as apparently the first offended the moderators!

Qantas for a while only operated 747's.

Does anyone know what time period this was?
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RE: Qantas 747's

Wed Aug 22, 2007 9:13 am

You are right, Qantas received their first B747 in 1971, then in 1979 they phased out the 707's becoming the world's only all-747 airline. This changed in 1985 when QF introduced the Boeing 767.

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RE: Qantas 747's

Wed Aug 22, 2007 9:23 am

Quoting Max Q (Thread starter):
Does anyone know what time period this was?

From memeory it was the late 70's early 80's until they received the first of the 767's

Not much to go on but some should be able to go further from there

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RE: Qantas 747's

Wed Aug 22, 2007 9:40 am

For this reason it will be a little sad when the last 747 leaves the Qantas fleet, especially if they never purchase a 748. I think many people associate Qantas with 747's.
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RE: Qantas 747's

Wed Aug 22, 2007 9:45 am

Quoting Mal787 (Reply 2):
Quoting Max Q (Thread starter):
Does anyone know what time period this was?

From memory it was the late 70's early 80's until they received the first of the 767's

QF's last 707-320C was retired March 30, 1979 and their first 767-200 was delivered July 3, 1985, so QF operated only 747s for just over 6 years.
 
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RE: Qantas 747's

Wed Aug 22, 2007 9:52 am

and of course QF operates the 744ER for its long flights and has 6 of them in the fleet... I think only freight companies have ER versions of their 744F
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RE: Qantas 747's

Wed Aug 22, 2007 9:53 am

Quoting Allrite (Reply 3):
For this reason it will be a little sad when the last 747 leaves the Qantas fleet, especially if they never purchase a 748. I think many people associate Qantas with 747's.

i still think 748's will be coming to their fleet, if not there will be a big gap between the 787 and A380's, they will need to fill that gap with something
 
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RE: Qantas 747's

Wed Aug 22, 2007 10:11 am

Quoting DL767captain (Reply 6):
Quoting Allrite (Reply 3):
For this reason it will be a little sad when the last 747 leaves the Qantas fleet, especially if they never purchase a 748. I think many people associate Qantas with 747's.

i still think 748's will be coming to their fleet, if not there will be a big gap between the 787 and A380's, they will need to fill that gap with something

As much as I'd like to see that, I doubt it... A380 will be taking over many 747 routes... the remaining will be operated by the newer 747s for some time or changed to have 2x787 operate. QF has about 12 years at least of life remaining out of its 744ER so by then I'm sure Boeing will have come out with Y3 (be that a new aircraft or redesigned 777).
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RE: Qantas 747's

Wed Aug 22, 2007 10:11 am

Quoting DL767captain (Reply 6):
still think 748's will be coming to their fleet, if not there will be a big gap between the 787 and A380's, they will need

Part of the gap could be A350......10?
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RE: Qantas 747's

Wed Aug 22, 2007 10:56 am

Oasis HongKong is a current all 747 operator. How many do they have in their fleet right now and aren't they getting more soon? Any other such operators?
 
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RE: Qantas 747's

Wed Aug 22, 2007 11:10 am

I would be surprised if QF went for the 748i. They have already been pretty definite in saying they do not see an obvious space for one and view the technology as being old-hat compared with the A380 and 787.

QF's new strategy sees premium routes served by the A380 with lesser routes served by the newer 744ERs, A333s and eventually 787s. Any route that does not sustain significant business travel will be moved from the mainline airline to Jetstar's 787s.

The remaining gap in QF's int'l fleet is the aircraft that can do LHR-SYD non-stop. This will either be a long range 787 or the A350 once QF are satisfied that the preferred aircraft has the capability of operating the route and remaining economically viable.
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RE: Qantas 747's

Wed Aug 22, 2007 11:55 am

Quoting DL767captain (Reply 6):
i still think 748's will be coming to their fleet

I hope so too, but at current list prices the A380 is actually cheaper
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RE: Qantas 747's

Wed Aug 22, 2007 1:26 pm

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 4):
QF's last 707-320C was retired March 30, 1979 and their first 767-200 was delivered July 3, 1985, so QF operated only 747s for just over 6 years.

I would love to have been an Qantas Pilot in those 6 years, because the only jet you could fly was a 747. That's good stuff! Big grin
 
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RE: Qantas 747's

Wed Aug 22, 2007 1:34 pm

Quoting Jetfuel (Reply 11):
I hope so too, but at current list prices the A380 is actually cheaper

Are you serious? How can that be, if the -8 is a derivative and smaller? It has lower R + D costs, and it must be cheaper to build. I don't understand.
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RE: Qantas 747's

Wed Aug 22, 2007 1:47 pm

The 748 is listing at 285.5 -- 300.0 million $US

I know QF paid no where near this for their A380, so even with a discount from Boeing I am not sure that the 748 is going to be any cheaper.

According to the Financial Times Deutschland, the list price of the A380 rose by 4.7% to between $295.6m and $316min 2007. General prices on the A380 are around $300m at list.

Reality is I think the A380 is selling at a discount
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RE: Qantas 747's

Wed Aug 22, 2007 2:12 pm

Quoting AA7295 (Reply 1):
You are right, Qantas received their first B747 in 1971, then in 1979 they phased out the 707's becoming the world's only all-747 airline. This changed in 1985 when QF introduced the Boeing 767.

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Did Qantas fly any domestic flights in that time? I suppose they didn't have many since they only had 747s.
 
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Wed Aug 22, 2007 2:22 pm

Quoting HMan (Reply 16):
Did Qantas fly any domestic flights in that time? I suppose they didn't have many since they only had 747s.

they operated domestic tags on international flights but they could only carry international traffic , no local SYD-MEL pax for example , real domestic ops had to wait until the acquisition of TN* circa 1991 IIRC



*the 'old' TN was Australian Airlines before the code was acquired by Air Tahiti Nui
 
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RE: Qantas 747's

Wed Aug 22, 2007 2:30 pm

Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 17):
they operated domestic tags on international flights but they could only carry international traffic , no local SYD-MEL pax for example , real domestic ops had to wait until the acquisition of TN* circa 1991 IIRC



*the 'old' TN was Australian Airlines before the code was acquired by Air Tahiti Nui

Yup think it was the same with Ansett as well, could only operate certain routes at certain times, then came deregulation.

I know there was East West Airlines, Air New South Wales etc which im 100% sure all merged into Ansett after Dereg in the 80's.

Theres a good book on Google Books about the deregualtion period in Aussie.
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RE: Qantas 747's

Wed Aug 22, 2007 3:48 pm

Quoting Pilotdude09 (Reply 18):
know there was East West Airlines, Air New South Wales etc which im 100% sure all merged into Ansett after Dereg in the 80's.

Short history lesson for the wipper snappers!  Smile

East West founded 1949 (or there abouts) was the only one acquired by Ansett just before dereg.

In the 1950s after R. M. Ansett acquired Australian National Airlines (ANA) to form AnsettANA he acquired MOST airlines in Australia (EastWest (Tamworth, NSW) and Connellian(sp) (Alice Springs, NT) were the main exceptions) and consolidated them into Airlines of New South Wales, Airlines of South Australia, Queensland Airlines(QAL), MacRobertson Miller Airlines ( in WA) and Ansett Mandated Airlines (MAL) was his internal PNG airline, which was merged into PX on independance. QAL was consolidated into AnsettANA in the 1960s. Airlines of NSW had a subsidiary Ansett Flying Boat Services. AnsettANA was the mainline carrier and operated mainly interstate services and services to/from Papua New Guniea and after the QAL merger Queensland routes). The others were all regional airlines, basically within their states.

In the run up to dereg Ansett accquired EastWest basically so no one else could use it as the basis of a third airline. After R. M. Ansetts death and the takeover battles all this changed climaxing of course in the bankruptcy of Ansett.

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RE: Qantas 747's

Wed Aug 22, 2007 4:23 pm

Quoting Gemuser (Reply 19):
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Thanks for that puts it all into perspective. Sad to see all the Airlines gone! Seen a few pics from the 80's of East West, Ansett WA, Air NSW etc. Sadly wasnt alive that long ago!

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RE: Qantas 747's

Wed Aug 22, 2007 9:36 pm

Quoting Tullamarine (Reply 10):
I would be surprised if QF went for the 748i. They have already been pretty definite in saying they do not see an obvious space for one and view the technology as being old-hat compared with the A380 and 787.

Do you have a quote or source? I thought the 748i was adopting the technologies present in the 787 and applying it to a 747 frame. Isn't the 787 more advanced than the A380?

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RE: Qantas 747's

Thu Aug 23, 2007 1:23 am

Quoting Allrite (Reply 3):
For this reason it will be a little sad when the last 747 leaves the Qantas fleet, especially if they never purchase a 748. I think many people associate Qantas with 747's.

The 747 is the image, the picture of Qantas to me, I know. Then again, I feel the same way about British. To me 747 is just such a regal looking aircraft, it's like the quintessential flagship - and the definitive aircraft for such longhaul standards as Qantas.

Quoting HMan (Reply 15):

Did Qantas fly any domestic flights in that time? I suppose they didn't have many since they only had 747s.

Weren't they state owned or such, because i remember stories of Qantas flying 1/3 full 747s around on some routes during the all 747 days.
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RE: Qantas 747's

Thu Aug 23, 2007 7:38 am

Quote:
Do you have a quote or source

It was a comment from Geoff Dixon when asked about 748i. I am trying to find a copy of it on the web.

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Weren't they state owned or such, because i remember stories of Qantas flying 1/3 full 747s around on some routes during the all 747 days.

QF was state owned during this time (as was TAA/Australian Airlines) but QF was not allowed to operate domestic services but it did operate routes between Australian ports but only for int'l services. I flew MEL-SYD several times during this period but only as a part of an onward int'l service to SIN/DPS etc.
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RE: Qantas 747's

Thu Aug 23, 2007 7:55 am

Most of my flying as a child was done in those days. I remember the connections of international flights between Melbourne and Sydney on the 747! One flight in 1984 saw my family and I (5 pax) share the whole main deck with 7 other pax! It was awesome. we had the crew at our beckon call, and didn't we love it!

I, especially, enjoyed this period as I was a newly found aviation freak and to ride on VH-ECA "The City of Sale" (My hometown) from Tahiti to Melbourne in 1984 was the highlight of my early days of flight. (Hence the tribute for my username!)

Correct me if I am wrong, but during that time, there was a big push for Qantas being Australia's International Airline (With Ansett, TAA and East-West doing the domestic) so the biggest and best was the 747. With the isolation of Australia from the rest of the world and the distances to travel, the solution was indeed this jet.

The days of QF 747's at Rome, Athens, Amsterdam, Kuala Lumpur just to name a few will be just a memory to me and many others out there! Good memories, but only memories!

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RE: Qantas 747's

Thu Aug 23, 2007 7:59 am

Quoting ABpositive (Reply 9):
Oasis HongKong is a current all 747 operator. How many do they have in their fleet right now and aren't they getting more soon?

3 744s in service now and 2 more due by the end of the year, according to their website.
 
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RE: Qantas 747's

Thu Aug 23, 2007 8:51 am

Back in the day's of ultra light loads I remember my family getting an upgrade to Business flying to the UK, My Brothers and I snuck back into Economy so we could sleep across a row of seats instead of upright in Business Class.

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RE: Qantas 747's

Thu Aug 23, 2007 9:19 am

Where is Oasis getting their second hand 747s from? I know that they picked up some ex SQ birds. Are they coming from MH? What about All Nippon's dwindling 744 fleet?
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Thu Aug 23, 2007 9:45 am

Quoting CX747 (Reply 26):
Where is Oasis getting their second hand 747s from? I know that they picked up some ex SQ birds. Are they coming from MH? What about All Nippon's dwindling 744 fleet?

The first two were ex-SQ. The other 3 (one of which already in service) are from All Nippon. Related press release re the ANA deal:
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RE: Qantas 747's

Thu Aug 23, 2007 12:48 pm

Quoting QF772 (Reply 25):
Back in the day's of ultra light loads I remember my family getting an upgrade to Business flying to the UK, My Brothers and I snuck back into Economy so we could sleep across a row of seats instead of upright in Business Class.

I remember these as well! Lying flat across rows of seats. Any window seat that you wanted (depending on the terminal!) Yup, light loads and non existent codeshare alliances! Memories!

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RE: Qantas 747's

Thu Aug 23, 2007 7:31 pm

Quoting AA7295 (Reply 20):
o you have a quote or source? I thought the 748i was adopting the technologies present in the 787 and applying it to a 747 frame. Isn't the 787 more advanced than the A380?

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