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Feds Clear PFN To Build New $330 Million Airport

Thu Aug 23, 2007 3:51 am

A good friend of mine and co-worker travels to Panama City, Florida now and then. He has told me through the years of the on going struggle to get this task done. After doing a search here on A-Net it appears that last year about this time the FAA approved this project. This announcement I believe has to do with the final go ahead from the federal government.

"The U.S. Army Corps of Engineers late last week issued the final federal permit necessary for construction to begin on the $330 million facility, which will be located between Fla. 77 and Fla. 79, about 10 miles from the nearest beaches."


Courtesy: JIM THARPE; Staff - The Atlanta Journal-Constitution

Feds Clear PFN To Construct New $330 Million Airport

http://www.airportbusiness.com/onlin...article.jsp?siteSection=1&id=13889
 
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RE: Feds Clear PFN To Build New $330 Million Airport

Thu Aug 23, 2007 4:15 am

Seems a bit unnecessary. If they need a longer runway to accomidate mainline jets, how about extending the existing one out into the bay 1000 feet or so. That's gotta be cheaper than a whole new airport.

Plus, Murphy's law says the day after the new airport gets finished, the feds will decide to close Tyndall AFB and turn it over to civillian use.
 
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RE: Feds Clear PFN To Build New $330 Million Airport

Thu Aug 23, 2007 4:21 am

I sincerely hope it brings much new economic development to the area. Is there any chance an LCC like AirTran would want to schedule service into the area??
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RE: Feds Clear PFN To Build New $330 Million Airport

Thu Aug 23, 2007 4:23 am

Quoting 48V (Reply 1):
Seems a bit unnecessary. If they need a longer runway to accomidate mainline jets, how about extending the existing one out into the bay 1000 feet or so. That's gotta be cheaper than a whole new airport

Have you looked at the airport?

1) The Runway 14 end does not have the required 1,000 ft safety area, so really ud need to build 2,000 ft of runway to get your desired length

2) The runway 14 end with no safety area justs out into the bay, the other end, where you now need to extend 2,000 ft plus 1,000 ft of safety area, plus tree and obstruction clearning is all DENSE residential. Not only is that a problem on its own, but it will also require sound profing and noise insulation for 100's of houses.

Exending a runway by 2,000 ft at PFN would easily take 10 years in battles with the residents and cost over 50,100 million dollars, all to have an airport with no hope for expansion afterward that one project is done.
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RE: Feds Clear PFN To Build New $330 Million Airport

Thu Aug 23, 2007 4:26 am

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 3):
1) The Runway 14 end does not have the required 1,000 ft safety area, so really ud need to build 2,000 ft of runway to get your desired length

An alternative to the 1,000 ft. safety area is an EMAS installation, is it not? Those are what, 300-400 feet?
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RE: Feds Clear PFN To Build New $330 Million Airport

Thu Aug 23, 2007 4:38 am

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 4):
An alternative to the 1,000 ft. safety area is an EMAS installation, is it not? Those are what, 300-400 feet?

Depends on the design aircraft, probably in that ballpark for PFN, plus located 200 ft from the runway end. still talking about 500ft of pavement plus the 1,000 ft in question. The EMAS also would cost between $10 - 20 million alone.

Also i did not factor in the Runway Protection Zone (RPZ) which the FAA would prefer to heave clear of any houses, and that extends up to 2,500 ft beyound the runway end.

Essentially if you want to see what would have to be cleared for a 1,500-2,000 ft extension at PFN clear out a 1 mile long, 1,0000 ft wide swath, southeast from the existing runway end. and all of that is residential neighborshoods.
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RE: Feds Clear PFN To Build New $330 Million Airport

Thu Aug 23, 2007 4:44 am

Quoting 48V (Reply 1):
Seems a bit unnecessary. If they need a longer runway to accomidate mainline jets, how about extending the existing one out into the bay 1000 feet or so. That's gotta be cheaper than a whole new airport.

Haha, I'm originally from PFN. There are a few reasons that will never happen. First of all, get that through all the environmental issues? good luck. Secondly you'd never find local support to build out 1/3 mile into the bay (that's how far you'd need to go to get another 1,000 ft and a safety zone). Residents won't want their waterfront and property in the way of this destroyed. That and the actual airport at PFN isn't that nice. It's a growing tourist location, the airport serves that beach region of the panhandle, the new airport is the only good option.

It would not be better, and doubtfully even cheaper, once you factor in all the legal and environmental issues, to extend the runway of the current airport. Putting a new one inland is just smarter.

I'm happy to see it done.
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RE: Feds Clear PFN To Build New $330 Million Airport

Thu Aug 23, 2007 4:53 am

The Panama City Bay County Airport and Industrial District is going to get a big chunk of change  dollarsign  for their existing waterfront property once the new airport is completed......

..... condos, marinas, etc.....
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RE: Feds Clear PFN To Build New $330 Million Airport

Thu Aug 23, 2007 4:58 am

The current PFN facility was fine before that part of the "Redneck Riviera" started to get redeveloped into condo towers. Quite a few of the old family-owned motels and hotels are now the site of multi-million dollar condo towers. The demographics of the typical tourist to the area has changed, and the non-seasonal population in the area is continuing to grow as well. The area has become popular with the Snowbird Set as well. Even VPS has had to expand their airport in the last few years (they're lucky that they share facilities with Eglin AFB) and there's talk of another expansion to keep up with demand.
 
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RE: Feds Clear PFN To Build New $330 Million Airport

Thu Aug 23, 2007 5:05 am

are they going to keep the airport open to GA traffic? I flew in there on a Citation once (my 1st biz jet travel experience) and it was easy in/ out from the general aviation perspective, hopefully they can keep it open for them.
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RE: Feds Clear PFN To Build New $330 Million Airport

Thu Aug 23, 2007 5:11 am

I wonder if Skybus will consider serving the airport as Columbus' connection to the panhandle
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RE: Feds Clear PFN To Build New $330 Million Airport

Thu Aug 23, 2007 7:34 am

Quoting Srbmod (Reply 8):
The current PFN facility was fine before that part of the "Redneck Riviera" started to get redeveloped into condo towers. Quite a few of the old family-owned motels and hotels are now the site of multi-million dollar condo towers. The demographics of the typical tourist to the area has changed, and the non-seasonal population in the area is continuing to grow as well. The area has become popular with the Snowbird Set as well. Even VPS has had to expand their airport in the last few years (they're lucky that they share facilities with Eglin AFB) and there's talk of another expansion to keep up with demand

very true, PNS as well has grown tremendously too over the years, my parents winter down in that area (in neighboring Orange Beach, AL). Having flown here for the past 11 years, I have seen alot of growth in the airport, they have expanded PNS once and are doing it again. Not to mention all the building at the beaches with the condo high rises, etc. Definitely not a sleepy area anymore. Traffic in the panhandle and Alabama beaches can rival that of Tampa and Orlando at times...

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