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CO 46 To AMS From Terminal C?

Thu Aug 23, 2007 8:21 am

I'm writing this from the North Presidents Club in Terminal C at IAH, waiting to board CO 46 to AMS. Why am I in C, you ask? Because the departure gate is C-14. Yes, C-14. That's a 764 to Europe, one of only 3 CO routes from IAH to Europe, parked at C-14, while Terminal E is filled with 737s heading to such exotic locales as Dallas, Baton Route, Detroit and Oklahoma City. No flagship Terminal E and its Presidents Club for us AMS folks; no shiny new jetways with divided lanes for BusinessFirst and coach. Nosiree Bob. Nice way for CO to make use of its flagship terminal for one of its (supposedly) flagship flights. Sarcasm aside, I really don't get this, so maybe one of you CO insiders can help me out. Why would CO run this flight out of C? (The flight has been scheduled for C-14 since at least this morning, so it wasn't a last-minute gate change.) What possible "scheduling" issue could justify dumping this flight onto C? How hard could it be to re-position the aircraft to E? I happen to fly CO all the time and love the airline, so it's really not that big a deal to me, but what if someone were trying CO to Europe from IAH for the first time? Why give them a second-class airport experience while all those small flights to domestic markets are clogging up the gates at E? The worst part is, when I checked in on-line -- and even when I got my trip alert 3 hours before the flight -- I was instructed to check in at Terminal E. I didn't bite because I'm based in Houston and know better, so I checked in at C. But what about someone who doesn't use CO regularly or who doesn't know the airport? He or she would be directed to E and then would have faced a verrrrrrry long walk to C-14. Anyway, enough of my rant. They just called the flight, and at least I'm in BusinessFirst, so soon I'll be enjoying that patented CO service!
 
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RE: CO 46 To AMS From Terminal C?

Thu Aug 23, 2007 8:27 am

C can handle outbound departures international. Inbounds go to D and E.
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RE: CO 46 To AMS From Terminal C?

Thu Aug 23, 2007 8:32 am

Ask the ISM when you board the plane, or one of the agents wearing a red jacket at the gate.
 
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RE: CO 46 To AMS From Terminal C?

Thu Aug 23, 2007 8:56 am

a/c came from the hangar...........so probably not knowing what time it would be towed up they put it on the C gates so there would be no disruption for the inbound widebodies of 47, 35, 11.
 
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RE: CO 46 To AMS From Terminal C?

Thu Aug 23, 2007 9:54 am

My wife and I flew on 46 in May and it was on C-14 as well. WE also saw it there another day we flew thru IAH months earlier. In both cases the aircraft was at the gate hours before departure. It's probably on the C concourse because it sits so long and they can load cargo more easily.
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RE: CO 46 To AMS From Terminal C?

Thu Aug 23, 2007 1:46 pm

That plane always leaves from C14 - and its a plane that sits on the tarmac a really long time.
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RE: CO 46 To AMS From Terminal C?

Thu Aug 23, 2007 3:08 pm

Quoting St530 (Thread starter):
Why give them a second-class airport experience while all those small flights to domestic markets are clogging up the gates at E?

Flights to south america, new york and los angeles often arrive/depart E, which are not any more or less important than AMS.

CO must have a reason they use C-14, possibly because they can be assured it will always be available to them.

Also, there are only so many gates at E that can take a 764 or 777. The other gates are for 737s and 757s, so while it might anger you to see them parked over there, that's where they fit...  Wink
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RE: CO 46 To AMS From Terminal C?

Thu Aug 23, 2007 3:43 pm

Most of the time 46 will depart from E20. Bot now and then it will be elsewhere.. including C14 or 16. This will most often occur during Wx days when gate space is tighter... a 76/77 at E20 will block E19. The aircraft comes in early morning as CO 92 GRUIAH and spends the day at the Mx pad or hanger. There have been times when the plane subs for a 757 and does a turn to somewhere; usually getting back just in time for AMS.
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RE: CO 46 To AMS From Terminal C?

Fri Aug 24, 2007 1:39 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 6):
Flights to south america, new york and los angeles often arrive/depart E

I am not sure about this because on my flight from IND to IAH on May 4th. My airplane arrived terminal C and I would see that my plane would continued to LAX. So I am sure they rotation the gates everyday for all of different routes. Yes I has notice that a lot of NY flights arrival and departure from Terminal E.
 
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RE: CO 46 To AMS From Terminal C?

Fri Aug 24, 2007 1:52 am

As someone said above, terminal E only has so many widebody gates... I don't remember that number, but it's disappointingly small. Point being, if things get iffy, I can see how they wouldn't hesitate to put an outbound at C, considering the flight originated at... the maintenance hanger. That way, all the inbounds can go to E, as C can't handle inbound Int'l arrivals. And D space is often used by the other big boys (Lufty, Brit, Frogs, Dutch).

And, come on, since they remodelled, C isn't nearly as bad as it used to be. Better than some other airport terminals I can think of... Like DFW's A and C (cough... 2E and 3E) which haven't changed much since 1974.
 
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RE: CO 46 To AMS From Terminal C?

Fri Aug 24, 2007 2:26 am

Things like this are due to occur even more often as Terminal B gets remodelled. Loss of RJ gate-space is pushing some operations into terminal D. Additionally, Continental is using D gates increasingly more, with the 6:45 LGW flight occasionally using one of the gates in terminal D. I believe this summer Continental has been using gates in every terminal at IAH (A through E).
 
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RE: CO 46 To AMS From Terminal C?

Fri Aug 24, 2007 2:28 am

Quoting St530 (Thread starter):
No flagship Terminal E and its Presidents Club for us AMS folks; no shiny new jetways with divided lanes for BusinessFirst and coach. Nosiree Bob. Nice way for CO to make use of its flagship terminal for one of its (supposedly) flagship flights

If it helps, you AMS folk will be getting Terminal E 'flagship' service for your arrival. The only thing 'flagship' about Terminal E is for international arrivals. Other than that, CO makes good use, for any of its destinations, with the terminals they use.

Just like in EWR, we have our new terminal extension (C-3 - gates 120's-130's) for our international arrivals but we schedule international departures from both C-2 (gates 100's) and C-1 (gates 70's-90's), as well as Terminal A.
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RE: CO 46 To AMS From Terminal C?

Fri Aug 24, 2007 3:52 am

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 11):
If it helps, you AMS folk will be getting Terminal E 'flagship' service for your arrival. The only thing 'flagship' about Terminal E is for international arrivals.

Actually, I was thinking about the Presidents Club, the shops, Pappadeaux, etc., none of which are accessible on arrival (unless you're connecting). But you're right, it's nice to look longingly at the inside of the terminal as you walk to immigration.  Wink
 
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RE: CO 46 To AMS From Terminal C?

Fri Aug 24, 2007 5:47 am

Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 9):

E2, 4, 5, 7, 9, 10, 15, 18, 20
 
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RE: CO 46 To AMS From Terminal C?

Fri Aug 24, 2007 6:04 am

Check out google earth for IAH and you'll see a 764 pulling into C14!

Quoting Boeing743 (Reply 8):
I am not sure about this because on my flight from IND to IAH on May 4th.

First, what part of the word "often" are you objecting to? Second, how does your experience negate the fact that Los Angeles OFTEN arrive depart E?

I live in LA, and fly CO a lot, and while in the past the LAX flights tended to be out of C gates (routinely out of the same few gates C24-27), they now do a lot of turns out of E. I've been at E4 quite a bit for LAX, both arriving and departing.

Today, a lot of the IAH-LAX flights are leaving out of E, and the bulk of the rest are leaving out of C-43 through C-45, which are on the concourse connecting E to C (and not too far from the E presidents club).

Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 9):
I don't remember that number, but it's disappointingly small.

From Google Earth, looks to be 6 that can take a long widebody like 764 or 777.

Quoting CALMSP (Reply 13):
E2, 4, 5, 7, 9, 10, 15, 18, 20

Does parking a widebody at any of those gates interfere with the next gate?
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RE: CO 46 To AMS From Terminal C?

Fri Aug 24, 2007 6:29 am

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 11):
Just like in EWR, we have our new terminal extension (C-3 - gates 120's-130's) for our international arrivals but we schedule international departures from both C-2 (gates 100's) and C-1 (gates 70's-90's), as well as Terminal A.

Some international arrivals are going to Terminal B too now. My mother arrived on CO 51 from FRA today, and arrived at Terminal B. It wasn't a last-minute switch either - it was listed as the arrival gate when I checked the flight status.

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RE: CO 46 To AMS From Terminal C?

Fri Aug 24, 2007 7:31 am

Quoting CALMSP (Reply 13):
E2, 4, 5, 7, 9, 10, 15, 18, 20



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 14):
Does parking a widebody at any of those gates interfere with the next gate?

E4, 7 & 18  no  E2, 5, 8, 10, 15 & 20  yes 
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RE: CO 46 To AMS From Terminal C?

Fri Aug 24, 2007 8:29 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 14):

I do not flying very often but I sometimes would check gates/arrival info few time but not often. When I was get off the airplane, I always look at gate screen to see where it going next and I notice it said LAX. I am sure they change to E now since a lot of planes go thru E than C due to some of RJ are going to use C or D due to remodel of Terminal B
 
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RE: CO 46 To AMS From Terminal C?

Fri Aug 24, 2007 8:31 am

Maybe it's a positioning issue. Do you know what port your aircraft came to IAH from? It may be coming from HNL...
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RE: CO 46 To AMS From Terminal C?

Fri Aug 24, 2007 8:38 am

Quoting CXA330300 (Reply 18):
Maybe it's a positioning issue. Do you know what port your aircraft came to IAH from? It may be coming from HNL...

I think someone said it comes in from GRU and sits all day over at MX. Every time I see CO46 its over at C14 2-3 hrs before departure to AMS, of course unless its doing a sub until then.
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RE: CO 46 To AMS From Terminal C?

Fri Aug 24, 2007 9:01 am

Quoting Spyderz (Reply 10):
I believe this summer Continental has been using gates in every terminal at IAH (A through E).

I have yet to see a CO aircraft at IAH Terminal A, connection operated by Colgan yes, otherwise no. At time you'll find a few 73's at Terminal B but most of the time that happens with weather delays or a huge bank.

Quoting St530 (Thread starter):
He or she would be directed to E and then would have faced a verrrrrrry long walk to C-14.

Not true.....and based in Houston you should know the that past the Terminal E security turn left, follow signs to Terminal A,B,C, & D, then up the escalator to the above ground tram to Terminal C, down the escalator, turn left and bingo, C14 is about 150 yards ahead on the right! Not a verrrrrrry long walk!  Smile

Quoting St530 (Thread starter):
at least I'm in BusinessFirst, so soon I'll be enjoying that patented CO service!

And even better service/trip if one was a fortunate as we were last week from MXP to EWR with EWRCabincrew onboard as the ISM!  bigthumbsup 
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RE: CO 46 To AMS From Terminal C?

Fri Aug 24, 2007 6:26 pm

Don't worry St530....

Today 8/24 flight 46 is on E20.... OK?
 
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RE: CO 46 To AMS From Terminal C?

Fri Aug 24, 2007 10:29 pm

Quoting IAHFLYR (Reply 20):
Quoting St530 (Thread starter):
He or she would be directed to E and then would have faced a verrrrrrry long walk to C-14.

Not true.....and based in Houston you should know the that past the Terminal E security turn left, follow signs to Terminal A,B,C, & D, then up the escalator to the above ground tram to Terminal C, down the escalator, turn left and bingo, C14 is about 150 yards ahead on the right! Not a verrrrrrry long walk!

Shame on me, I did not know that -- never took the tram to or from E! Good to know.

Quoting ADXMatt (Reply 21):
Don't worry St530....

Today 8/24 flight 46 is on E20.... OK?

Yep, for those flying on CO 46 today.
 
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RE: CO 46 To AMS From Terminal C?

Sat Aug 25, 2007 12:07 am

Quoting Mir (Reply 15):
Some international arrivals are going to Terminal B too now.

I knew I should have elaborated on this, but, alas, I didn't. Yes, we use Terminal B for a few of our international arrivals. Just for arrivals.
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RE: CO 46 To AMS From Terminal C?

Sat Aug 25, 2007 2:00 am

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 23):
I knew I should have elaborated on this, but, alas, I didn't. Yes, we use Terminal B for a few of our international arrivals. Just for arrivals.

I arrived CDG 777 into B and preferred it to C. As long as it's not the peak arrival time, it's better in my opinion.

Quoting IAHcsr (Reply 16):
E4, 7 & 18    E2, 5, 8, 10, 15 & 20   

So are you shaking your head for the gates the interfere, or the ones that don't interfere. I confoozed...
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RE: CO 46 To AMS From Terminal C?

Sat Aug 25, 2007 2:04 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 24):
I arrived CDG 777 into B and preferred it to C. As long as it's not the peak arrival time, it's better in my opinion.

Crews do too, especially if we park in the 50's (closer to the crew line). Drawback is if other airline's crews are there. They process crews a tad slower than passengers (it seems). I have been in queue with 85 (we counted) flight attendants and pilots.
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RE: CO 46 To AMS From Terminal C?

Sat Aug 25, 2007 6:50 am

E4, 7 and 18 are the non-interfering gates.So the  no  means no problem with overlapping aircraft  Smile

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