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Thu Aug 23, 2007 9:04 am

It seems he enjoyed the debate on A.net about his blog on airplane noise levels.

http://boeingblogs.com/randy/
 
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Thu Aug 23, 2007 9:09 am

But see, if he had been following a.net for a bit longer, he'd have seen it was a "double post" since I brought up the same topic months ago.

I guess I would have had to suggest deletion for his blog...  Wink
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Thu Aug 23, 2007 9:15 am

Along these lines, I really heard you loud and clear with the Sound of silence post - here in the comments and on forums such as Airliners.net. Thanks for the great feedback. Most of you got the point that when it comes to what we hear inside the cabin, it’s about both the quality of the sound and the level of the noise. (Emphasis his)

A tad condescending, don't you think? Is he now trying to imply that the quality of 787 noise will be better than the quality of A380 noise?!
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Thu Aug 23, 2007 9:28 am

As much as I previously thought that Randy was taking wild swings at the A380, I have come to conclude that he does have a point; the noise levels and sounds are something taken for granted when flying. I compare it to the awkward silence that prevails when stopped at a red light in the back of a hybrid-vehicle taxi, when every swallow, snort, and breath is discernible. I tremble when I think of this in conjunction with the fears of cell phone use on airplanes becoming common.

Whether or not this should be used to take shots at the A380 is still debatable, but at least Randy is keeping things interesting.
 
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Thu Aug 23, 2007 9:34 am

"Along these lines, I really heard you loud and clear with the Sound of silence post - here in the comments and on forums such as Airliners.net. Thanks for the great feedback."

Now Randy: show your colors... What is your call sign on these boards?

Its probably Keesje to hide who he really is  duck 

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Thu Aug 23, 2007 12:29 pm

Quoting Iwok (Reply 4):
Its probably Keesje to hide who he really is  duck 

I thought he was Leahy!  duck 
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Thu Aug 23, 2007 5:19 pm

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 2):
Is he now trying to imply that the quality of 787 noise will be better than the quality of A380 noise?!

No, he's pointing out that measuring absolute sound level doesn't tell the whole picture...what the sound is also matters.

Tom.
 
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Thu Aug 23, 2007 5:27 pm

Quoting Tdscanuck (Reply 6):
No, he's pointing out that measuring absolute sound level doesn't tell the whole picture...what the sound is also matters.

Yes. American sound is much better than a socialist surrender weaselish freedom sound !!!
 
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Thu Aug 23, 2007 5:53 pm

Quoting Sebolino (Reply 7):
Yes. American sound is much better than a socialist surrender weaselish freedom sound !!!

 biggrin 

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Thu Aug 23, 2007 5:57 pm

Quoting Sebolino (Reply 7):
Yes. American sound is much better than a socialist surrender weaselish freedom sound !!!

 laughing 
I hope it was a joke, if so, really funny. The important point is of course that the continous humming sound of the engines and wind is a more relaxing sound than the sound of people talking and babies crying at the same noise level. I can understand that, but it doesn't bother me, because I'm usually reading/playing games or something with my ipod in my ears, or watching tv. If I'm going to sleep, I also listen to music, so either way it doesn't matter to me how quiet the aircraft is. An eitherway, the sound of people talking in the background doesn't really bother me. It's not like aircraft are so quiet that you can hear conversations from the front of the cabin to the back. I doubt the a380 will be that quiet as well, especially in the back. Even the a340 is pretty loud in the back.
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Thu Aug 23, 2007 6:00 pm

I was just on a 737 flight in Europe that had several young children on board with the associated noise. The background noise (engine or other flight/aircraft associated noise) needed to drown out those kids would need to be rather substantial in order for someone not to notice them. I'd rather just have the plane be as quiet as possible and deal with the other sounds as they are. You're going to hear most of it anyway, so you might as well have the aircraft itself be as quiet as possible and hope that you get lucky with the other noise. Anyway, you can always pass notes back and forth like we used to do in primary school. Maybe we can start a new a.net sign language and really throw the airliner world for spin by making signals to each other from across the aisles. How about in-seat text messaging/IM at each seat so that you can have conversations with people sitting anywhere in the cabin. Certainly would make long flights more interesting I would think!
 
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Thu Aug 23, 2007 6:05 pm

Quoting PVG (Reply 10):
How about in-seat text messaging/IM at each seat so that you can have conversations with people sitting anywhere in the cabin.

Believe this is offered on Virgin America. Neat feature.
 
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Thu Aug 23, 2007 6:05 pm

Quoting Sebolino (Reply 7):

Yes. American sound is much better than a socialist surrender weaselish freedom sound !!!

Going by that, we must only conclude that the 787 will be LOUD!

People, please. The A380 is still a tube with wings and engines - there's going to be a certain amount of noise no matter what they do. Unless Airbus comes up with a propulsion system based on flying fairies and an air speed equivalent to a genle gallop, I don't think there is such a thing as "too quiet" as all jet travel will lead to noticeable levels of inside noise.
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Thu Aug 23, 2007 6:17 pm

Quoting LaminarFlow (Reply 11):
Believe this is offered on Virgin America. Neat feature.

Didn't know that. Surprised that it took this long for someone to think of it. Sounds like it would be fun. Can you turn it off?
 
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Thu Aug 23, 2007 6:30 pm

Quoting PVG (Reply 13):
Didn't know that. Surprised that it took this long for someone to think of it. Sounds like it would be fun. Can you turn it off?

Probably. Take a look:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=609i-OhFhoQ
 
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Thu Aug 23, 2007 6:31 pm

Quoting Kappel (Reply 9):
I hope it was a joke, if so, really funny.

Well, I could not be more ironic.  Smile  Smile
 
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Thu Aug 23, 2007 6:38 pm

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 2):
Along these lines, I really heard you loud and clear with the Sound of silence post - here in the comments and on forums such as Airliners.net. Thanks for the great feedback. Most of you got the point that when it comes to what we hear inside the cabin, it’s about both the quality of the sound and the level of the noise. (Emphasis his)

Most?

Good to see Randy (and I assume Leahy also) takes the time to read what is written on the site. In fact, I think that airliners.net is a valuble resource for these guys. Where else can they get such informed comsumer opinions on their products?
 
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Thu Aug 23, 2007 8:14 pm

Quoting Tdscanuck (Reply 6):
No, he's pointing out that measuring absolute sound level doesn't tell the whole picture...what the sound is also matters.

Well, not really. He's spinning because the A380 will probably have a quieter cabin than the 787.

You have to bear in mind that reports of A380 noise levels don't come from Airbus SPL figures, but from passengers. This shows that the human subjective measure of noise annoyance is being applied, and the A380 is looked upon favourably. Randy can claim that passengers won't like the noise levels of the A380 as much as noisier aircraft, but that doesn't agree with the comments from passengers, who think the experience is pleasurable.
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Thu Aug 23, 2007 8:44 pm

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 17):
He's spinning because the A380 will probably have a quieter cabin than the 787.

Indeed, all the rest are intellectual excuses to cover this up.

Image what people on this site would have to say if things would have been the other way round, with JL claiming more noise is better.

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 17):
You have to bear in mind that reports of A380 noise levels don't come from Airbus SPL figures, but from passengers. This shows that the human subjective measure of noise annoyance is being applied, and the A380 is looked upon favourably.

A marketeers worst nightmare really.

Not only are the cold numbers of your competitor more favourable, but so is the public perception of the comfort offered by him. As we have seen here with much amazement, it pushes Randy to very desperate claims...

I suggest we officially name him "Comical Randy", after the notorious Iraqi Minister of information who made a fool of himself spinning the truth till he became dizzy of it himself!
 
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Thu Aug 23, 2007 9:02 pm

Quoting Randy (Reply 2):
Along these lines, I really heard you loud and clear with the Sound of silence post - here in the comments and on forums such as Airliners.net. Thanks for the great feedback. Most of you got the point that when it comes to what we hear inside the cabin, it’s about both the quality of the sound and the level of the noise

Didn't Randy take a look at the threads on the 787 first flight debates? Aren't people looking for answers / clarifications / insight on that rather than how quiet the A380 is?
 
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Thu Aug 23, 2007 9:20 pm

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 17):
Well, not really. He's spinning because the A380 will probably have a quieter cabin than the 787.

Maybe, but isn't it a bit hard to say right now what the noise level will be in the 787 cabin? Or can that already be guesstimated fairly accurately at this point?
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Thu Aug 23, 2007 9:24 pm

After Randy Baseler, now we have Randy Baseless ...
 
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Thu Aug 23, 2007 9:26 pm

Quoting Slz396 (Reply 18):
Not only are the cold numbers of your competitor more favourable, but so is the public perception of the comfort offered by him. As we have seen here with much amazement, it pushes Randy to very desperate claims...

Not to much "public" have been able to listen to the noise level, in the 787 cabin yet  Wink

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Thu Aug 23, 2007 9:34 pm

Quoting Kappel (Reply 21):

Maybe, but isn't it a bit hard to say right now what the noise level will be in the 787 cabin? Or can that already be guesstimated fairly accurately at this point?

If the noise levels were as low as the A380, why would the new Randy be making these comments? I think it's clear they'll be higher.

Boeing made a strategic decision to reduce cabin insulation in order to help squeeze another seat in a row. It was the right decision too, Airbus would have made it in the same circumstances. But because of that, cabin noise will be increased.

Airbus have put a lot of effort into reducing cabin noise, although to be fair the large wing of the A380 helps and the upper deck is about a mile from the engines. One of the things nearly all A380 passengers have commented on so far is how quiet it is. It really is a string in the bow of the A380 and if Airbus can keep it up on the A350 then they have the potential for a real passenger experience differentiator between new Airbus aircraft and new Boeing aircraft.

Randy and Boeing would have looked more dignified just shutting up about it, rather than looking a little silly by saying passengers prefer noisier aircraft.
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Thu Aug 23, 2007 10:23 pm

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 24):
Randy and Boeing would have looked more dignified just shutting up about it, rather than looking a little silly by saying passengers prefer noisier aircraft.

I absolutely agree that Randy is spinning to make the 787 look attractive...that's his job.

However, neither he nor Boeing have said passengers prefer noisier aircraft. Everyone (I think) agrees that passengers prefer quieter aircraft. A several post in this thread have correctly noted, what passengers perceive as quiet and what's quiet as measured by a dB meter are not the same thing.

It's definitely true that the A380 is quiet. It's definitely true that's it's quieter than any other commercial airliner out there. It's definitely true that you can hear more of what's going on from other passengers in the A380 cabin exactly because the A380 airframe is quieter. What Randy suggested in his blog is that, because people will hear more noise from other passengers, they may perceive the overall cabin environment as more disruptive.

Early passenger reports for the A380 suggest this won't be the case, and that's a good thing.

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Thu Aug 23, 2007 10:24 pm

I believe that Mr Randy should do some more research.

He might be amazed or probably shocked to find out that Airbus will soon manage to further reduce cabin noise across their portfolio, thanks to a natural and environmentally friendly insulation in which my country (Portugal) is the number one producer.

The use of cork materials will provide better isolation into vibrations, noise and temperature.  Wink
Airbus To Use Cork As Future Insulation Material. (by WINGS Jan 22 2007 in Civil Aviation)

http://www.tonyboon.co.uk/imgs/images/corktree.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/3/33/Corks20.jpg/794px-Corks20.jpg

CORK QUALITIES:

Fire resistant
Very light weight.
Resistant to cold temperature.
Good Insulation
Environmentally friendly and biodegradable.




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Thu Aug 23, 2007 10:28 pm

Quoting Tdscanuck (Reply 25):

It's definitely true that the A380 is quiet. It's definitely true that's it's quieter than any other commercial airliner out there. It's definitely true that you can hear more of what's going on from other passengers in the A380 cabin exactly because the A380 airframe is quieter. What Randy suggested in his blog is that, because people will hear more noise from other passengers, they may perceive the overall cabin environment as more disruptive.

Early passenger reports for the A380 suggest this won't be the case, and that's a good thing.

Yes, and I haven't heard of anyone who's complained that the cabin is too quiet and that the lack of noise is a bad thing. Randy knows this, he's just trying to score cheap points which he doesn't need to do.
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Thu Aug 23, 2007 10:29 pm

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 24):
Boeing made a strategic decision to reduce cabin insulation in order to help squeeze another seat in a row. It was the right decision too, Airbus would have made it in the same circumstances. But because of that, cabin noise will be increased.

I dont think you can jump to that conclusion. How do you know they didnt find a different material that produces the same sound insulating effect that is less thick.

Owens Corning did it for houses.....the price for this is a few less "R" rating numbers. It is possible whoever makes it has made similar advances in the past decade or two.
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Thu Aug 23, 2007 10:30 pm

Quoting DeltaDC9 (Reply 28):
I dont think you can jump to that conclusion

Yes, I think I can. Randy wouldn't be suggesting the A380 cabin is too quiet if the 787 cabin sound pressure levels were the same.
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Thu Aug 23, 2007 10:49 pm

I always marvel at how some A.Netters take offense at Randy's Blog. Such innocuous comments, from a salesman, don't deserve this much commentary. Nice to see that he reads A.Net though! smile 

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 2):
A tad condescending, don't you think? Is he now trying to imply that the quality of 787 noise will be better than the quality of A380 noise?!

Condescending? He used the word "quality" in the sense of classification or type of noise.

Quoting Sebolino (Reply 7):
American sound is much better than a socialist surrender weaselish freedom sound

Funny, but it's "surrender monkey", not weasel. biggrin 

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 24):
Boeing made a strategic decision to reduce cabin insulation in order to help squeeze another seat in a row. It was the right decision too, Airbus would have made it in the same circumstances. But because of that, cabin noise will be increased.

Agreed, except that I'm not sure the thinner insulation means greater cabin noise. It depends on what we consider the noise baseline - do we compare the noise to the B767 that it is intended to replace, or to a speculative B787 with thicker insulation?

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 24):
Randy and Boeing would have looked more dignified just shutting up about it, rather than looking a little silly by saying passengers prefer noisier aircraft.

Salesmen do not make a living by shutting up, as the equivalent Mr. Leahy at Airbus has amply demonstrated. As to whether their profession is dignified...to say otherwise is a bit harsh, isn't it?

Randy does have a point - I prefer to sleep with white noise, and conversations around me do keep me awake. Whether that means that I would prefer the A380 or B787 cabin environment remains to be seen. It'll be fun to give each of them a try and then we can debate the facts rather than speculate. airplane 
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Thu Aug 23, 2007 11:34 pm

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 27):
Randy knows this, he's just trying to score cheap points which he doesn't need to do.

Just like you try to score cheap points here by putting words in his mouth?

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 24):
Randy and Boeing would have looked more dignified just shutting up about it, rather than looking a little silly by saying passengers prefer noisier aircraft.
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Thu Aug 23, 2007 11:47 pm

Quoting WINGS (Reply 31):
Cork in the wine industry is still very strong and without a doubt the preferred choice.

...er, in Portugal which (I think I'm right in saying) is the leading producer thereof.

Unfortunately, you are whistling in the dark. Swiss wine (little known outside the cantons but often extremely good) is routinely sold with screw tops and I find them more and more often on bottles from other countries such as Italy. Within the past hour I've opened an excellent Italian Sangiovese (hic!) from which I extracted a plastic cork. I'd say that only one in three bottles I open these days have corks.

I'm a traditionalist (in many ways) and rather lament the passing of the cork but I can't honestly say I notice a damn bit of difference in the wine.

Er, is this perhaps off topic?  frown 
 
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Fri Aug 24, 2007 12:26 am

Quoting Slz396 (Reply 18):
Image what people on this site would have to say if things would have been the other way round, with JL claiming more noise is better.

But haven't you heard? Boeing's declared noisy the new quiet. If Airbus wants to avoid mass cancellations in the A380 programme, they better start removing insulation and re-designing the fuse to be noisier, otherwise they just won't be able to compete with Boeing.
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Fri Aug 24, 2007 12:35 am

Quoting PM (Reply 32):
Quoting WINGS (Reply 31):
Cork in the wine industry is still very strong and without a doubt the preferred choice.

...er, in Portugal which (I think I'm right in saying) is the leading producer thereof.

Unfortunately, you are whistling in the dark. Swiss wine (little known outside the cantons but often extremely good) is routinely sold with screw tops and I find them more and more often on bottles from other countries such as Italy.

Pretty much all NZ wine is screw cap. Many other vineyards are switching too. No difference in the taste.
 
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Fri Aug 24, 2007 1:23 am

Quoting EI321 (Reply 19):
Wow, these guys even look alike!

EI321 - nice job - very funny.

Everyone loves Bagdad Bob/Comical Ali.

Wikipedia sez he's living in the UAE.
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Fri Aug 24, 2007 2:47 am

shucks! this is nothing new. this has been on virgin atlantic's v-port system since they installed it. i have myself used it several times going back at least 2 years

Believe this is offered on Virgin America. Neat feature.
 
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Fri Aug 24, 2007 4:04 am

Quoting BoomBoom (Reply 31):

Just like you try to score cheap points here by putting words in his mouth?

Christ, not you again. I refer you back to the previous thread where you tried (and failed) to make the same point.

Quoting TeamAmerica (Reply 30):

Condescending? He used the word "quality" in the sense of classification or type of noise.

Yes, condescending. To imply that the only people who understood his point were the ones who agreed with him is condescending.

Quoting TeamAmerica (Reply 30):
Agreed, except that I'm not sure the thinner insulation means greater cabin noise. It depends on what we consider the noise baseline - do we compare the noise to the B767 that it is intended to replace, or to a speculative B787 with thicker insulation?

That's nice, but why would Randy make such a strange point if the 787 was as quiet or quieter than the A380?

Quoting TeamAmerica (Reply 30):

Salesmen do not make a living by shutting up, as the equivalent Mr. Leahy at Airbus has amply demonstrated. As to whether their profession is dignified...to say otherwise is a bit harsh, isn't it?

The new Randy is in marketing, I don't think he's directly involved with sales? The only Randy never made silly comments like this, and was always dignified and well respected by Boeing as well as Airbus fans.
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Fri Aug 24, 2007 4:44 am

What...? I can't hear you because the noise, (or perhaps lack of it), is deafening.
What the...?
 
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Fri Aug 24, 2007 4:47 am

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 36):
why would Randy make such a strange point if the 787 was as quiet or quieter than the A380?

He wouldn't, and didn't. He is trying to spin white noise on an aircraft as a good thing. spin 

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 36):
The new Randy is in marketing, I don't think he's directly involved with sales? The only Randy never made silly comments like this, and was always dignified and well respected by Boeing as well as Airbus fans.

 spit Maybe this is a regional thing, but here in the USA "marketing" and "sales" are the same thing. As for the old Randy being different...a read of past A.Net threads shows lots of people saying otherwise. Silly then, silly now.
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Fri Aug 24, 2007 4:56 am

I understand the comments against a pretty bad blog by Randy (the new Randy, the old Randy seemed to have it down on how to do it with class). But both his and everyone else's comments here seem almost stupid since we have no actual sound data from a 787. Hell the damn thing isn't even together yet, its in pieces all around the Boeing plant! Once it is together and has a passenger interior THEN we can start to make some real comments and comparisons and even then it won't be until the public/press begins to fly on it that we'll really have anything to argue about.

But hey, once it does fly with people I'm sure we'll have LOTS of interesting threads comparing the "quality" of travel in each plane.

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Fri Aug 24, 2007 5:29 am

...And in other news, a new invention was announced today that promises to revolutionize air travel, both for those traveling on quiet Airbi suffering from screaming babies, and for those traveling on noisy Boeing's, suffering from white noise. This new invention, to be know as "The Ear Plug" is too be sold in pairs, for approximately 20 cents. Airlines are considering subsidizing the cost for their high revenue business class passengers...

Quoting TeamAmerica (Reply 29):
Such innocuous comments, from a salesman, don't deserve this much commentary.

Well, when Leahy says "hi" we get 130 post threads about that, so why not one about Randy's words? Randy must have been feeling left out of all the love John gets, so decided to be a little more outspoken...  Smile
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Fri Aug 24, 2007 5:45 am

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 36):
Christ, not you again. I refer you back to the previous thread where you tried (and failed) to make the same point.

No need to get profane.

Please show us where Randy said "passengers prefer noisier aircraft".

You've never been able to do it. You have to "reduce' infer and spin.

Isn't that what you are criticizing Randy of doing?
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RE: Randys Latest Blog Mentions Airliners.net

Fri Aug 24, 2007 5:59 am

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 2):
Along these lines, I really heard you loud and clear with the Sound of silence post - here in the comments and on forums such as Airliners.net. Thanks for the great feedback. Most of you got the point that when it comes to what we hear inside the cabin, it’s about both the quality of the sound and the level of the noise. (Emphasis his)

A tad condescending, don't you think? Is he now trying to imply that the quality of 787 noise will be better than the quality of A380 noise?!

I think his point is simple and plain. White noise can make a crowded passenger aircraft more comfortable. I would agree. With that many people that closely packed together, the sheer loose odds and ends sounds would be terrible without the white noise. Babies 8 rows away, loud talkers six seats over, the conversations on all sides of you. A good level of white noise drowns some of that out. I think his point is that you need to find the happy medium, where the white noise of the aircraft drowns out a desirable amount of more obnoxious sounds, but isn't so loud as to be obnoxious itself.

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 5):
Quoting Iwok (Reply 4):
Its probably Keesje to hide who he really is duck

I thought he was Leahy! duck

haha, me too!

Quoting PM (Reply 31):
Quoting WINGS (Reply 31):
Cork in the wine industry is still very strong and without a doubt the preferred choice.

...er, in Portugal which (I think I'm right in saying) is the leading producer thereof.

More and more california wines - as well as some australian I've seen have been coming with rubber corks, and I'm not going to lie, I like them better. The screw top still seems too untraditional, I'd have to get used to that. Screw tops make me think of things like MD 20/20....
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RE: Randys Latest Blog Mentions Airliners.net

Fri Aug 24, 2007 7:58 am

I have to say the "quality" of noise is a new distinction to me. What is important is that the headphones on the A380 will be at a considerably lower volume to those on other airplanes. I will be happier with that.

Also if it is possible to have "quiet zones" on both A380 and 787, I wonder which one would win the "quality of noise" test?  smirk 
 
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RE: Randys Latest Blog Mentions Airliners.net

Fri Aug 24, 2007 11:06 am

Quoting EbbUK (Reply 43):
What is important is that the headphones on the A380 will be at a considerably lower volume to those on other airplanes. I will be happier with that.

We may be able to dispense with expensive noise-cancellation headsets. That's a plus, if it's really that quiet. praise 

Quoting EbbUK (Reply 43):
Also if it is possible to have "quiet zones" on both A380 and 787, I wonder which one would win the "quality of noise" test?

That may be subjective. I prefer to sleep in a relatively noisy room, with white noise drowning out the neighbor's barking dog and my wife's soap opera playing on the TV in the next room. Other people desire near silence in their bedroom, and are not disturbed by the murmuring from outside. It depends on the individual.

I might well prefer a daytime flight on an A380, and yet sleep better on an B787. shhh 
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RE: Randys Latest Blog Mentions Airliners.net

Fri Aug 24, 2007 12:58 pm

Quoting TeamAmerica (Reply 38):
Maybe this is a regional thing, but here in the USA "marketing" and "sales" are the same thing.

Actually, they are separate yet intertwined entities. For example, its the Marketing guys who came up with the Pontiac Aztec design, and its the Sales guys who had to convince dealers to bless their parking lot with the butt ugly cars  yuck 

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RE: Randys Latest Blog Mentions Airliners.net

Fri Aug 24, 2007 3:02 pm

Quoting Iwok (Reply 4):
Now Randy: show your colors... What is your call sign on these boards?

Come on, he's smarter than that if he made it to VP marketing. Posting anonymously on a.net would get him in about the same trouble as the CEO of Whole Foods. Short of actually posting, there's got to be a guilty pleasure to reading about yourself on these boards, though...  wave 

Quoting BoomBoom (Reply 41):
Please show us where Randy said "passengers prefer noisier aircraft".

He didn't, and that's precisely the art of it. He wouldn't have mentioned this item if he wasn't trying to infer something about the competition. Don't get hung up on the literal sense of what he said, which is true; there is more meaning to be found in why he said it. Like anyone skilled in the art of public relations, he wouldn't come out and tell us that, so we are reduced to arguing... probably to his delight.  Big grin
 
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RE: Randys Latest Blog Mentions Airliners.net

Fri Aug 24, 2007 3:18 pm

If noise is so wonderful, why don't they move C and F to the back of the plane to take full advantage of the beneficial health effects noise imparts? If it were me, I would let Y suffer in silence at the front - but I'm just cruel like that...
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RE: Randys Latest Blog Mentions Airliners.net

Fri Aug 24, 2007 3:23 pm

Wings, I just lit a cork on fire, and it was not very hard. I'm not sure that the cork we use in wine bottles should be the same that Airbus uses.
 
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RE: Randys Latest Blog Mentions Airliners.net

Fri Aug 24, 2007 3:27 pm

Quoting JTR (Reply 48):
Wings, I just lit a cork on fire, and it was not very hard. I'm not sure that the cork we use in wine bottles should be the same that Airbus uses.

I think the question is not whether it will burn or not, but rather will it keep burning after the source is removed. Did it burn like a sheet of paper or go out once you took the flame away?
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