CX747
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Alitalia's 747-400 And Possible Order Switch?

Wed Aug 16, 2000 5:17 am

I was wondering about Alitalia's 747-400 order. If the 747-400X is offered, will Alitalia opt for the new version?
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steman
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RE: Alitalia's 747-400 And Possible Order Switch?

Wed Aug 16, 2000 5:31 am

I don't think so because I read Alitalia is about to order up to 10 B777-300ER. Besides they need the new 747s as soon as possible ( the first is scheduled for next march) and if they would buy a Superjumbo they would probably buy the A3xx for political reasons
 
Udo
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RE: Alitalia's 747-400 And Possible Order Switch?

Wed Aug 16, 2000 5:36 am

Yes exactly, if AZ wants a SuperJumbo they have to order the A3XX...otherwise France and we Germans would kick Italy out of the EU...

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Udo
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Hamlet69
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RE: Alitalia's 747-400 And Possible Order Switch?

Wed Aug 16, 2000 5:41 am

I believe CX747 was talking about the upgraded 747-400, not the new 747X planes. However, Steman is right, in that the first AZ 744's are already entering production, and the -400X is not even launched yet, so a revised order isn't possible at this time.

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cedarjet
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RE: Alitalia's 747-400 And Possible Order Switch?

Wed Aug 16, 2000 6:31 am

Italy wouldn't get kicked out of the EU. That's absolute bollocks.
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RE: Udo

Wed Aug 16, 2000 6:32 am

So if the Itallians do not buy the european the french threaten to withhold them from the diplomatic ties of the EU so therefor the french and germans control the EU and domanate the other nations. what happened to the global econamy? does it only refer the the U.S. why does the wourld get so upset about the russian wars when bigger opresion goes on in Europe?
 
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RE: Alitalia 747-400

Wed Aug 16, 2000 8:41 am

Yes I agree with Steman and the others, Alitalia will stick with it's -400 orders because it does need them/expects to have them relatively quickly.
The wait for the new ones would not go along with Alitalia's fleet renewal plans.

About the superjumbo-Yes political heat is very intence in the aviation world at the moment, however everyone has to keep in mind that Alitalia's current fleet is a very good example as how balanced it represents aircraft from "both" manufactures, thus Alitalia has never considered the country/ies, but how well built aircraft are, and that they suit (Alitalia's) needs.

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Trvlr
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RE: Alitalia's 747-400 And Possible Order Switch?

Wed Aug 16, 2000 8:45 am

Didn't the EEC or even members of the British parliament once criticize British Airways into buying more A320s by saying they were not being aupportive to BAe and Europe by having pretty much an all-Boeing fleet?
 
Udo
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RE: Alitalia's 747-400 And Possible Order Switch?

Wed Aug 16, 2000 9:10 am

Wow, I cannot believe you took my irony for serious...wow...IRONY, it's IRONY...don't be that gullible...
Of course nobody would ever kick Italy out of the EU for that...

Be more relaxed people...!


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steman
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RE: Alitalia's 747-400 And Possible Order Switch?

Wed Aug 16, 2000 4:36 pm

Don't worry Udo, I know you were joking.
As 747Alitalia said Alitalia has a well balanced fleet of Airbus and Boeing. In my opinion they will upgrade the short haul fleet with the A320's family, replacing the MD-80 gradually as the MDs are quite young.
The long haul fleet will be probably an all Boeing fleet except perhaps the A3XX which, in my opinion, Alitalia won't buy early but maybe in some years, ten at least.
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RE: Alitalia's 747-400 And Possible Order Switch?

Thu Aug 17, 2000 5:52 am

Hi all,

On the political front, I think it is fair to say that quite a lot of political pressure would be piled on Alitalia to buy European, but they have bought Boeings in the past. What surprises me is that are one of the last major carriers to opt for the 744; I was expecting this quite a while ago. If they do go for the 777 - which is still a possibility, despite the break with KLM - this aircraft will have quite a lot of commonality with the 747-400X.

However, I would see (and agree with a previous poster) the long haul fleet being pretty much Boeing and the short haul fleet pretty much Airbus dominated.
 
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RE: Alitalia's 747-400 And Possible Order Switch?

Thu Aug 17, 2000 10:18 am

While this is definately looking into the future, possibly Alitalia could convert their 3 747-400 options into 747-400Xs. Operate a seemless fleet of 3-5 747-400s, 3-5 747-400Xs and 10 777-300ERs. All of the pilots carrying one qualification for all of the aircraft.
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steman
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RE: Alitalia's 747-400 And Possible Order Switch?

Thu Aug 17, 2000 5:29 pm

the best thing Alitalia could do is to take many options of the B777 without specifiing the version in order to get the desired type at the right time: first the 777-300er to implement the long haul fleet, then the -200er and -200LR to replace the MD-11.
Anyway there would be a gap between the 211/227 seats B767 and the 295 seats B772 so a possible choice could be the A330/340, using the croos crew qualification with the huge A320s fleet.
I don't think Alitalia would be interested in the B767-400 and an Airbus order could respond to the political pressure.
The 747-400 is a necessity and even a status symbol while the A3XX at the moment isn't necessary, even because Alitalia hasn't long haul routes that needs a 550 seats aircraft.
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RE: Alitalia's 747-400 And Possible Order Switch?

Thu Aug 17, 2000 9:23 pm

I know this is annoying and probably a chore, but could someone list their long-haul fleet right now. They don't have as big a networks as other flag carriers in Europe, and have a mix of MD-11, 747-200 and 767-300 right? How many and stuff? Sorry to ask...
 
pcancelli
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RE: Alitalia's 747-400 And Possible Order Switch?

Thu Aug 17, 2000 10:06 pm

Alitalia has in its fleet 11 747-200s, 8 MD 11s and 12 767 - 300s (3 operated by Eurofly)
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