swatpamike
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WN Goes ZED

Thu Aug 23, 2007 11:35 am

Hello All

Well hell has finally frozen over.

Southwest is now taking part in ZED fare agreements. Goodbye ID90 & ID75 BS.

Now the question is, what is the best web based resources to find info on what airlines charge for ZED fares??

If you have any suggestions please feel free.

Cheers

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RE: WN Goes ZED

Thu Aug 23, 2007 11:44 am

mike,
try this site...


http://www.flyzed.com




your user id is the 3 letter code...in ure case i think it is swa....the password is the iata airline nbr you have..ua-016 aa-001 and so on.....i priced out 2 tickets den-fra on lh and they came out to $58.00 o/w...


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RE: WN Goes ZED

Thu Aug 23, 2007 11:57 am

Zed tickets are stand-by correct?
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RE: WN Goes ZED

Thu Aug 23, 2007 12:03 pm

Uhhh, I thought we have ZED ONLY with American Airlines (Medium Fare) and US Airways (Low Fare)?

Plus LH correct?

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RE: WN Goes ZED

Thu Aug 23, 2007 12:04 pm

Quoting Whappeh (Reply 2):
Zed tickets are stand-by correct?

 checkmark  Yes, they are. NRSA.
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RE: WN Goes ZED

Thu Aug 23, 2007 12:12 pm

What is a "ZED fare agreement"?
 
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RE: WN Goes ZED

Thu Aug 23, 2007 12:15 pm

Let me get this straight. SW has NO agreements with other airlines for things like baggage transfers, or rebooking
passengers if one of its flights goes MX...but does have agreements to let its employees travel at greatly reduced rates?
Hmmmmmm  Yeah sure
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RE: WN Goes ZED

Thu Aug 23, 2007 12:17 pm

Quoting TPAnx (Reply 6):
SW has NO agreements with other airlines for things like baggage transfers, or rebooking
passengers if one of its flights goes MX...but does have agreements to let its employees travel at greatly reduced rates?

It has a codeshare agreement/baggage agreement with ATA.
 
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RE: WN Goes ZED

Thu Aug 23, 2007 12:31 pm

DL supposedly looking at ZED as well.....maybe a decision by year-end. Some ID90's/75's are no better than sale fares these days.
 
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RE: WN Goes ZED

Thu Aug 23, 2007 1:04 pm

Southwest has had pass exchange agreements with other carriers since day one. It has nothing to do with interlining, baggage transfer, code share, or CYA in the event of mechanical type situations.

Initially, the only carrier that exchanged passes with Southwest was American....although Southwest offered any employee of any airline a space-available (NRSA) pass for $7.00 one way.

The joke used to be that Southwest could fill up the flight with NRSA passengers at seven dollars a head and make money. Back in 1972, the cost of running a flight between Dallas & Houston was roughly $680 on a full cost allocated basis. The 737-200s had 112 seats at the time, so $7 x 112 = $784.

Despite all the wrath and enmity and vitriol thrown at Southwest by Braniff management, a goodly number of Braniff hostesses would present their company ID and get a $7 ticket and fly...in their Pucci uniforms no less....from SAT or HOU to Dallas.

In those days Southwest sold their tickets out of a cash register and there was actually a key labelled "NRSA" that generated the $7 ticket.

The cash registers bring up another interesting tales....like "Keep management away from them!!!" When Southwest inaugurated the service to Harlingen, a former Harlingen mayor, motel owner, and Chamber of Commerce guy named George Young basically camped out wanting to buy the "First Southwest ticket for Valley service." (In fact, Mr. Young's motel served as Southwest's crew quarters for many, many years). Finally, Southwest's VP-Ground Ops agreed to sell Mr Young a ticket so he could go about his business.

The fare on the flight was $15.00 ----- unfortunately, the VP was much better at managing than he was at running a cash register --- because the ticket he sold from Harlingen to Houston came ut of the cash register for fifteen cents.
 
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RE: WN Goes ZED

Fri Aug 24, 2007 2:49 am

Quoting Uadc8contrail (Reply 1):
mike,
try this site...

flyzed is for the following airlines only...

Austrian
Blue1
Condor
Lufthansa
Thai
Finnair
LOT
SAS
Swiss
Wideroe

It shows other airline ans thier schedules, but you can only list on the above ones.
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RE: WN Goes ZED

Fri Aug 24, 2007 3:22 am

Quoting Swatpamike (Thread starter):
Hello All

Well hell has finally frozen over.

Southwest is now taking part in ZED fare agreements. Goodbye ID90 & ID75 BS.

Now the question is, what is the best web based resources to find info on what airlines charge for ZED fares??

If you have any suggestions please feel free.

Cheers

swatpamike

Maybe we haven't updated our agreement, but it still shows as $25 SA)">OW for SA travel on WN. I've worked for other airlines and for the last 10 or so years its been $25 +tax each way
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RE: WN Goes ZED

Fri Aug 24, 2007 3:25 am

AA has had a ZED agreement with WN for along time
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RE: WN Goes ZED

Fri Aug 24, 2007 3:28 am

Quoting RDUDDJI (Reply 11):
Maybe we haven't updated our agreement, but it still shows as $25 SA)">OW for SA travel on WN. I've worked for other airlines and for the last 10 or so years its been $25 +tax each way

I'm an HP/US employee here in PHX, and aside from any station agreements, I read that on Aug 15 (not quite sure) that SWA went ZED, and it specifically stated the $25 ow was out the window.

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RE: WN Goes ZED

Fri Aug 24, 2007 4:44 am

Quoting Yflyer (Reply 5):
What is a "ZED fare agreement"?

Zone Employee Discount. It's a fare calculated according to a mileage zone (i.e. LAX-NYC is the same zone and fare than LAX-MIA despite any difference in published fares). It's for staff of airlines that wants to offer that to their employees. It is always stand-by and the family of the staff can usually travel at the same conditions.
 
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RE: WN Goes ZED

Fri Aug 24, 2007 4:59 am

25 one way was better than ZED in some ways especially Coast to Coast, now will be maybe 35 or so but a short hop flight could be 15 with a ZED, but 25 priceed from an WN Id90 did work better with longer routes vs a ZED
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RE: WN Goes ZED

Fri Aug 24, 2007 5:06 am

Well I would have to say that WN has been very liberal with its local station agreements since day 1. As for the $25 o/w fare, that came in very handy to fall back on, and will be missed. However most ZED fares are not that painful, compared to ID90s and ID75s. Everywhere I fly, I always have a WN backup pass in my possession. Even if Im overseas, and cant get back to my planned gateway city, I can land almost anywhere in the US and catch WN. The ZED fare change for WN is just a smart business move.

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RE: WN Goes ZED

Fri Aug 24, 2007 5:07 am

Quoting CV880 (Reply 8):
DL supposedly looking at ZED as well.....maybe a decision by year-end. Some ID90's/75's are no better than sale fares these days.

Delta has had a ZED fare agreement with NWA for years, but I do have to admit that very feww Delta employees know about it
 
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RE: WN Goes ZED

Fri Aug 24, 2007 7:29 am

Quoting Bobnwa (Reply 17):
Delta has had a ZED fare agreement with NWA for years, but I do have to admit that very feww Delta employees know about it

Well all I used was ID95 with NW

Id just route it all via BKK as the origin and connect via NRT to get a really cheap fare to just NRT from the US Big grin
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RE: WN Goes ZED

Fri Aug 24, 2007 9:02 am

Quoting Uadc8contrail (Reply 1):

With ICAO and IATA accounting codes being publicly available, might as well have given him the exact logon he needed, rather than attempt to obfuscate it. Took me 10 seconds to look up CO's code from a recent ticket to get in, just for kicks.
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RE: WN Goes ZED

Fri Aug 24, 2007 9:25 am

But not ALL ZED agreements are available for WN, only certain ZED agreements are available for each specific airline pass bureau.

FLYZED is just a listing site for LH and some others, but that does not mean you are allowed to fly on them unless your airline has an actual agreement. I dont think WN can fly ZED on TG, cause I beleive TG has no agreement between WN for pass travel.
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RE: WN Goes ZED

Fri Aug 24, 2007 10:11 am

Quoting Bobnwa (Reply 17):
Delta has had a ZED fare agreement with NWA for years, but I do have to admit that very feww Delta employees know about it

That's nice to hear, since DL publishes the reduced rate agreements on the employee website and about the closest thing to a ZED fare that shows up is the agreement with WN. There is an ID95 or 96 w/ NW & CO.
 
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RE: WN Goes ZED

Fri Aug 24, 2007 10:20 am

Our list of airlines we have ZED agreements with is HUGE!!! I think us at skywest have the best flight benefits out of anyone out there.
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RE: WN Goes ZED

Fri Aug 24, 2007 10:26 am

Quoting Bobnwa (Reply 17):
Quoting CV880 (Reply 8):
DL supposedly looking at ZED as well.....maybe a decision by year-end. Some ID90's/75's are no better than sale fares these days.

Delta has had a ZED fare agreement with NWA for years, but I do have to admit that very feww Delta employees know about it

DL does not yet participate in the ZED program although, as was mentioned, the program is being evaluated and it is expected to be implemented soon. DL only has an ID96 agreement in place with NW at this time.

[Edited 2007-08-24 03:42:03]
 
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RE: WN Goes ZED

Fri Aug 24, 2007 10:52 am

Quoting Pdxcof9 (Reply 22):
Our list of airlines we have ZED agreements with is HUGE!!! I think us at skywest have the best flight benefits out of anyone out there.

Not really, you dont have full mainline privileges, which does hurt (lower priority than main DL or UA staff)
My friends at skywest say the benefits are very limited and also you cannot get sameday tickets at your own counter for other airline ZEDS, which is not very convenient (must wait for pass bureau to send you tickets)

my airline has over 90 airlines practically in agreements and its growing every day.
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RE: WN Goes ZED

Fri Aug 24, 2007 12:00 pm

How do you login to the ZED webpage? Thanks for your time!
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RE: WN Goes ZED

Fri Aug 24, 2007 12:24 pm

Quoting BlueFlyer (Reply 19):
With ICAO and IATA accounting codes being publicly available, might as well have given him the exact logon he needed, rather than attempt to obfuscate it. Took me 10 seconds to look up CO's code from a recent ticket to get in, just for kicks.

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RE: WN Goes ZED

Fri Aug 24, 2007 1:16 pm

My Login

USER NAME = AAL

PASSWORD = 001
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RE: WN Goes ZED

Fri Aug 24, 2007 3:05 pm

For the US people, SW has moved to ZED low, United to ZED (don't remember if it's low or medium), and Air New Zealand is now ID90.
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RE: WN Goes ZED

Fri Aug 24, 2007 8:38 pm

Quoting DL Widget Head (Reply 23):
DL does not yet participate in the ZED program although, as was mentioned, the program is being evaluated and it is expected to be implemented soon. DL only has an ID96 agreement in place with NW at this time.

I have purchased ZED tickets on DL quite a few times. Maybe at this time it is only for NW to fly on DL and not the reverse.
 
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RE: WN Goes ZED

Fri Aug 24, 2007 10:35 pm

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 28):
and Air New Zealand is now ID90

Not very good especially if it comes from another Star Alliance member in my opinion
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RE: WN Goes ZED

Sat Aug 25, 2007 2:27 am

Where can we buy ZED fares at, I remember in training they told us only at a USAirways ticket counter. Malaysia how did you get a login on the site? Thanks for it though.
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RE: WN Goes ZED

Sat Aug 25, 2007 2:40 am

Quoting ExpressJet_ERJ (Reply 31):
Where can we buy ZED fares at

You buy ZED fares through your pass bureau.

The logon for the flyzed site is your airlines (or any airlines, for that matter) three letter code (AAL=AA, UAL=UA, etc.) and the password is three digit ticketing code number it is assigned (AAL=001, COA=005, etc.)

http://www.siber.com/sib/travel/airline-codes.txt
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RE: WN Goes ZED

Sat Aug 25, 2007 5:22 am

Quoting ExpressJet_ERJ (Reply 31):
Where can we buy ZED fares at, I remember in training they told us only at a USAirways ticket counter. Malaysia how did you get a login on the site? Thanks for it though.

If you work for a legacy US Airline

you can buy OAL tickets at your regular ticket counter in just 5-10 minutes and refund in just 5-10 minutes at
the counter

But if you work for an LCC like Fronteir, Jetblue, or Southwest, you have submit a request to the Pass Bureau at the main airline office and 2 weeks later, they send you the ticket in the mail to your home or via comat upon request. But for refunds, some LCC are very cheap and offer Nonrefundable OAL passes, you must use or lose the money before it expires. but if refunding is allowed, then you must mail it back to the passbureau and wait 5-6 weeks for a refund.

while working for legacy carrier, you can quickly credit it back to your CC at any counter almost immediately.
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RE: WN Goes ZED

Sat Aug 25, 2007 6:06 am

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 32):
You buy ZED fares through your pass bureau.

Also your ticket counter or however else you get offline passes, too.
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