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Japan And U.K., A Similarity?

Thu Aug 23, 2007 10:54 pm

Hey all,

I have been reading posts here and there and looked at airline route maps. I noticed a similar pattern between Japan and the U.K.
Many flights to south Asian countries from the U.S. often seem to stop in Japan and then 2 hours later move on to there final destination. For example.... LAX-KIX-BKK or MSP-NRT-BKK.
On the other side of the country, flight to Southwest Asia, parts of Africa and the Indian Sub-continent often seem to stop in the U.K. for 2 hours and move on to their final destination. For example.... JFK-MAN-Karachi.

What I am wondering is the similarity a coincidence or a planed strategy to better facilitate operations? Finally is there another situation similar to this?
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RE: Japan And U.K., A Similarity?

Thu Aug 23, 2007 11:21 pm

Quoting IAHFLYER (Thread starter):

This route does not exist anymore.

As for he MSP-NRT-BKK, its jus NW that uses fifth freedom rights to fly as the same flight number. I am not sure who does JFK-MAN-Karachi, but can you elaborate and make your question a little bit more clear? Are you just referring to airlines having fifth freedom rights in these two countries?
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RE: Japan And U.K., A Similarity?

Fri Aug 24, 2007 2:28 am

I think you may be right on your observation. When you cross the Pacific the first major city is Tokyo and over the Atlantic it's London. So over the years a lot of Fifth Freedom rights have been developed in those two cities because that's where the big markets are. Those two markets are so big and generate so much O&D traffic that there is enough to spillover to Fifth Freedom carriers. Add to that the fact that United and Northwest operate large hubs at Narita, a remnent of WWII (United acquired PanAm's rights in the Pacific) and that explains why you have to stop couple of hours at those two cities to go further on. Keep in mind that the traffic on some of the destinations you mention is not sufficient to warrant many nonstop flights to Nnorth America.
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RE: Japan And U.K., A Similarity?

Fri Aug 24, 2007 8:25 am

Both countries' main gateway city have a runway capacity crunch. They could easily use two or three runways to immediate effect though one of the cities (Tokyo) is working on the problem.

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