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Delta SLC-CDG Now Loaded In The DL Schedule

Fri Aug 24, 2007 8:28 am

Since the other topic wasn't official (and getting rather long), I thought i'd start a new thread.

Here is a press release:

http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/070823/delta_utah_to_paris.html?.v=1

Flight 171 Departs SLC at 500p arrives CDG at 1105a 767-300 ER
Flight 170 Departs CDG at 1020a arrives SLC at 150p 767-300 ER

This will operate daily beginning June 2nd 2008.

[Edited 2007-08-24 01:32:02]
 
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RE: Delta SLC-CDG Now Loaded In The DL Schedule

Fri Aug 24, 2007 8:30 am

So this service will be run with 2 different aircraft? the SLC flight arrives at 11:05a, but the return flight leaves 45 minutes earlier at 10:02a.. very interesting... very interesting indeed... where does the other flight come from? CVG? ATL?
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RE: Delta SLC-CDG Now Loaded In The DL Schedule

Fri Aug 24, 2007 8:34 am

I am sure it will be popular as many Europeans want to try out the Utah moutains for ski. I am sure if it is popular then SLC may get some more flights from either Asia or Europe. How many gates at SLC that is for international only??
 
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RE: Delta SLC-CDG Now Loaded In The DL Schedule

Fri Aug 24, 2007 8:38 am

Quoting Boeing743 (Reply 2):
I am sure it will be popular as many Europeans want to try out the Utah moutains for ski. I am sure if it is popular then SLC may get some more flights from either Asia or Europe. How many gates at SLC that is for international only??

SLC currently has three gates attached to the customs facilities. Two of those gates can accomodate wide-body aircraft.

I think DL (or any other airline) will wait and see how CDG performs before even thinking about another Europe or an Asia route.

SLC does have plans for a completely new terminal to replace the existing terminals in their master plan and have started preparations for its construction. One would assume the number of international gates will increase with the new terminal.
 
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RE: Delta SLC-CDG Now Loaded In The DL Schedule

Fri Aug 24, 2007 8:46 am

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 1):
So this service will be run with 2 different aircraft? the SLC flight arrives at 11:05a, but the return flight leaves 45 minutes earlier at 10:02a.. very interesting... very interesting indeed... where does the other flight come from? CVG? ATL?

Probably rotated through with ATL or JFK.

Quoting Boeing743 (Reply 2):
I am sure it will be popular as many Europeans want to try out the Utah moutains for ski. I

Well, the jury is still out on that one. Yes, Utah has great skiing, but so does the Alps, which is thousands of miles closer. Kind of like how Hawaii is popular with West Coasters, the Caribbean with East Coasters, and the Spanish Islands with Europeans. I'm sure that the Canary Islands are amazing, but living in SEA I can get nearly the same experience if I go to Hawaii or Mexico, both of which are much closer and cheaper for me. Same thing when talking about ski markets.

Regardless, I'm sure the flight will get good loads. The yields are still the question mark, so we'll have to see. If DL has to fill its seats with lower-yield connecting pax from LAX, SFO, and SEA, then the flight won't be successful longer-term. Not that I'd have a problem with being able to make a quick connect in SLC and save a few hundred bucks, but DL might.
 
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Fri Aug 24, 2007 8:50 am

Quoting RwSEA (Reply 4):
Kind of like how Hawaii is popular with West Coasters, the Caribbean with East Coasters,

My only problem is that most of the west coast has non-stop flights to Hawaii, but only the hubs on the East Coast have non-stops to the Caribbean.. tis a shame.. a shame..
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RE: Delta SLC-CDG Now Loaded In The DL Schedule

Fri Aug 24, 2007 10:38 am

Well the timing is perfect. All the big delta planes from the west coast come in at 330-4pm. I just hope no one connects to the 2:50 flights on skywest cause it takes so freakin long to get bags out of customs. Especially on a 767. That'll be a lot of bags.

Well Yay for DL and SLC!!! It's going to be freakin impossible to non rev to paris now.  Smile
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RE: Delta SLC-CDG Now Loaded In The DL Schedule

Fri Aug 24, 2007 2:04 pm

SLC is the gateway to the stunning canyonlands of the western US. It is also a gateway for Yellowstone and many other natural wonders in the American mountain west.

The obvious other force that will be a factor in feeding this route is The Church of Jesus Christ of Later Day Saints, currently one of the fastest growing religions in the world, with it's international headquarters in Salt Lake City. I am sure Delta could count on a certain number of seats being filled by church members and officials travelling to and from Europe, with the exception of Sundays, when devout Mormons refrain from travel, if possible.
 
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RE: Delta SLC-CDG Now Loaded In The DL Schedule

Fri Aug 24, 2007 2:09 pm

Can't wait to see how they are going to deal with weights and balances on this one in the hot summer months at high elevations....

Good luck trying to non-rev on this one indeed.

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RE: Delta SLC-CDG Now Loaded In The DL Schedule

Sat Aug 25, 2007 12:41 am

As far as non-revving, I bet at first the bizelite section will be near empty. So long as theyre not 20-30 over in the back non-revving should be just peachy. I doubt they'll get the 50 or 60 non revs a day that show up for the hnl flight. And even if that flight is full, it will probably make it easier out of cvg, atl or jfk.
 
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RE: Delta SLC-CDG Now Loaded In The DL Schedule

Sat Aug 25, 2007 1:21 am

Quoting Pdxcof9 (Reply 6):
That'll be a lot of bags.

it shouldn't be that bad.
 
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RE: Delta SLC-CDG Now Loaded In The DL Schedule

Sat Aug 25, 2007 2:35 am

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 1):
So this service will be run with 2 different aircraft? the SLC flight arrives at 11:05a, but the return flight leaves 45 minutes earlier at 10:02a.. very interesting... very interesting indeed... where does the other flight come from? CVG? ATL?

This route is just a tad too long to run with one aircraft and allow for two hour turns on each end. But if you rotate with either the JFK or CVG flights, then in effect, each city pair (JFK-CDG, CVG-CDG, SLC-CDG and ATL-CDG) uses one aircraft.
 
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Sat Aug 25, 2007 2:55 am

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 5):
My only problem is that most of the west coast has non-stop flights to Hawaii, but only the hubs on the East Coast have non-stops to the Caribbean.. tis a shame.. a shame..

That is not true at all, only the hubs on the east coast having serivce to the Caribbean. BOS, BDL, RDU, TPA, MCO, RSW, BWI are all non hub airports with non-stop service to the Caribbean.
 
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RE: Delta SLC-CDG Now Loaded In The DL Schedule

Sat Aug 25, 2007 3:25 am

At a guess, Utah's high tech companies have probably been lobbing for non-stop SLC-Europe for years. I'd be curious to see whom Delta cut a deal with to get this service going.

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RE: Delta SLC-CDG Now Loaded In The DL Schedule

Sat Aug 25, 2007 4:02 am

The 11:05 arrival into CDG seems just a tad late for a lot of the connections to the middle east, africa and asia. Wonder why delta did not decide to get the aircraft into CDG a tad sooner.
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RE: Delta SLC-CDG Now Loaded In The DL Schedule

Sat Aug 25, 2007 4:13 am

Quoting Jr (Reply 14):
The 11:05 arrival into CDG seems just a tad late for a lot of the connections to the middle east, africa and asia. Wonder why delta did not decide to get the aircraft into CDG a tad sooner.

I don't see why DL would be using this route to time for connections to Asia and to use it to send pax onto Asia when they could easily send pax via a U.S. gateway. Routing a pax SLC-LAX/SFO/SEA-ICN for example would make better sense. Also, look at the LAX-CDG flight times, not one of the 2-3 daily flights gets into CDG before 11:00 a.m. Something tells me DL is using the route for the local demand, SLC-CDG, as well as the demand of the western U.S. to fill this flight.
 
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RE: Delta SLC-CDG Now Loaded In The DL Schedule

Sat Aug 25, 2007 4:32 am

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 1):
So this service will be run with 2 different aircraft? the SLC flight arrives at 11:05a, but the return flight leaves 45 minutes earlier at 10:02a.. very interesting... very interesting indeed... where does the other flight come from? CVG? ATL?

The plane could very well do a turn back to ATL, JFK or CVG, and another plane vice-versa would handle the return trip to SLC rather than spend all that time on the ground.

Quoting Ctbarnes (Reply 13):
At a guess, Utah's high tech companies have probably been lobbing for non-stop SLC-Europe for years. I'd be curious to see whom Delta cut a deal with to get this service going.

This is something that Jerry Grinstein has had on the table for nearly two decades. As CEO of Western Airlines he sought an authority to get a flight into into LGW from SLC but had to settle for DEN since they were the only other city WA flew to that was covered by the EU trade agreement at the time. Now as outgoing CEO of DL he gets pretty close to his dream.

Quoting Jkudall (Reply 3):
SLC currently has three gates attached to the customs facilities. Two of those gates can accommodate wide-body aircraft.

D-1, D-3 and one of the E-gates (for CRJ's from Mexico). with the exception of YYJ, all Canada flights are pre-cleared by the U.S. Customs facility at the Canadian airports (YVR, YYC, YEG, YWG--which ends on 9/30  crying  & YYZ). SLC does need more gates, especially for service to Mexico and elsewhere. I'm told once YYJ gets a U.S. Customs pre-clearence facility (they are seeking one I'm further told), that flight could indeed go year around BTW.

Quoting Jkudall (Reply 3):
I think DL (or any other airline) will wait and see how CDG performs before even thinking about another Europe or an Asia route.

Much of this will depend on the connectivity, convenience and continued growth of the SLC O&D market. But the way things are looking, LGW, FRA and perhaps FCO are strong candidates over the next 5 years or so.

Quoting Xaphan (Reply 7):
with the exception of Sundays, when devout Mormons refrain from travel, if possible

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Quoting RwSEA (Reply 4):
but living in SEA I can get nearly the same experience if I go to Hawaii or Mexico, both of which are much closer and cheaper for me. Same thing when talking about ski markets.

Keep in mind that only the markets on the West Coast in the Pacific Time Zone are closer to Hawaii than much of the Caribbean. SLC is closer to D.R. resort cities such as POP and PUJ than they are to HNL, OGG or KOA by about an hour of flying time. But yes it is a mindset, and one of those geographical oddities.

Quoting B752OS (Reply 12):
That is not true at all, only the hubs on the east coast having service to the Caribbean. BOS, BDL, RDU, TPA, MCO, RSW, BWI are all non hub airports with non-stop service to the Caribbean.

 checkmark  Throw in a few others like FLL. Even medium sized markets will likely have at least one flight to a popular destination in the Caribbean sun at least seasonally.
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RE: Delta SLC-CDG Now Loaded In The DL Schedule

Sat Aug 25, 2007 4:52 am

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 5):

My only problem is that most of the west coast has non-stop flights to Hawaii, but only the hubs on the East Coast have non-stops to the Caribbean.. tis a shame.. a shame..

Also the east remains about as "segregated" in a way, only two East coast hubs (Atlanta and New York) have nonstops to Hawaii. The midwest has only two strong contenders as well, the third struggled to hold on to its flight.
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Sat Aug 25, 2007 6:07 am

Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 17):
Also the east remains about as "segregated" in a way, only two East coast hubs (Atlanta and New York) have nonstops to Hawaii. The midwest has only two strong contenders as well, the third struggled to hold on to its flight.

Add ORD to that list. Its not the east coast but very close.
 
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RE: Delta SLC-CDG Now Loaded In The DL Schedule

Sat Aug 25, 2007 12:08 pm

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 16):
D-1, D-3 and one of the E-gates (for CRJ's from Mexico)

None of the E gates are attached directly to the customs facilities. The inbound Skywest YYJ, SJD, and GDL flights use either D2 or D4 for arrivals. Also, D1 and D3 are on the other side of the concourse and aren't attached to the international terminal. D2, D4, and D6 are the international gates.

[Edited 2007-08-25 05:12:57]
 
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RE: Delta SLC-CDG Now Loaded In The DL Schedule

Sat Aug 25, 2007 1:15 pm

Yeppers all our Mexico/YYJ flights come into D4.

We get 180 or so bags off of ATL flights. That's about 6 cans worth of bags. 180 bags going through customs at the same time Delta's bags is going to suck. Especially when the CTX machine in customs is broken right now. I'm sure it'll be fixed by the time they start this flight. We're gonna need like 4 people to run bags especially if it's running late.

I didn't know D6 was also an international gate. That gate is like the most flexible gate. It can hold our RJ's all the way to 767's
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RE: Delta SLC-CDG Now Loaded In The DL Schedule

Sat Aug 25, 2007 9:40 pm

Quoting COA735 (Reply 18):
Add ORD to that list. Its not the east coast but very close.

Chicago close to the east coast?
 
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Sun Aug 26, 2007 1:38 am

Quoting Jkudall (Reply 19):
The inbound Skywest YYJ, SJD, and GDL flights use either D2 or D4 for arrivals. Also, D1 and D3 are on the other side of the concourse and aren't attached to the international terminal. D2, D4, and D6 are the

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The seasonal mainline flights to CUN, SJD, MZT & PVR also use those gates attached to Customs as well.
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RE: Delta SLC-CDG Now Loaded In The DL Schedule

Sun Aug 26, 2007 6:06 am

Quoting RwSEA (Reply 4):
Well, the jury is still out on that one. Yes, Utah has great skiing, but so does the Alps, which is thousands of miles closer. Kind of like how Hawaii is popular with West Coasters, the Caribbean with East Coasters, and the Spanish Islands with Europeans



Quoting Xaphan (Reply 7):

The Alps had terrible skiing last year and euro to dollar exchange rate is very good from their side. Trust me, Europeans come to the states to ski...definetly enough to fill a 767. Combine that with American Express in SLC, the copper company, and all of the other sky team loyalist in the, let;s say 900 mile radius from SLC that sees limited air service to the other major hubs (most only DEN and SLC) and you have quite a large market.
What this means for a lot of people: no more XXX - SLC - ATL(JFK) - CDG.
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RE: Delta SLC-CDG Now Loaded In The DL Schedule

Sun Aug 26, 2007 12:51 pm

Quoting RobertS975 (Reply 21):
Chicago close to the east coast?

Closer than the west coast.  Smile
 
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RE: Delta SLC-CDG Now Loaded In The DL Schedule

Sun Aug 26, 2007 1:31 pm

Not that it's worth anything at all, but I heard a rumor that another international gate would be added at E-1, with the SkyWest offices and lockers being moved over the open ceiling in the E concourse.... hmmm...

Anybody know when they're going to lengthen the center runway?

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Sun Aug 26, 2007 2:21 pm

IMO this is one of the smartest moves DL has made recently. AF is the only game around west of IAH/DFW except for TN from LAX. I'd MUCH rather connect in SLC vs. ORD, IAD, DFW, JFK or CVG for that matter. Whether those are J pax remains to be seen.
 
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RE: Delta SLC-CDG Now Loaded In The DL Schedule

Mon Aug 27, 2007 4:09 am

Quoting COA735 (Reply 18):
Add ORD to that list.

You should pay closer attention to both the statement at hand and general geography: it was on 'the list'-- and isn't "very close" to the east coast.
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