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Any Other Airlines Using Huds Besides WN?

Fri Aug 24, 2007 12:37 pm

Was just wondering if anybody knows if other airlines(US or worldwide) besides WN are using HUDS(Head's Up Displays) in their flight decks on the 73G's?? I know our military has such fighter jets in use. I am good friends with a WN captain and says it is a great improvement for doing ILS or other approaches.

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RE: Any Other Airlines Using Huds Besides WN?

Fri Aug 24, 2007 12:38 pm

I believe AS uses them as well.
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RE: Any Other Airlines Using Huds Besides WN?

Fri Aug 24, 2007 12:49 pm

Well, how weird. I work next ro their gates here in KPHX and would have never thought that right next to me is a carrier(other than WN) using them..  Yeah sure ...  Silly Thanks AirTranTus!

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RE: Any Other Airlines Using Huds Besides WN?

Fri Aug 24, 2007 12:52 pm

I've seen a HUD in the cockpit of a TZ 738. The pilot said he hadn't used it for the approach, however, since it was bumpy and the display tended to shake in turbulence, making it hard to read.

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RE: Any Other Airlines Using Huds Besides WN?

Fri Aug 24, 2007 12:55 pm

Quoting Mir (Reply 3):
I've seen a HUD in the cockpit of a TZ 738. The pilot said he hadn't used it for the approach, however, since it was bumpy and the display tended to shake in turbulence, making it hard to read.

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Well I can certainly related to that...although I don't have HUDS. I have a hard time even adjusting the throttle and/or squawking a Xponder code in really bumpy approaches! Thanks!

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RE: Any Other Airlines Using Huds Besides WN?

Fri Aug 24, 2007 12:58 pm

Alaska was an early user of HUDs. If memory serves, a big driver for them was a big fog event at SEA back in the late 1970s or so. The place was impacted by fog for a week or two, with RVRs staying mostly below landing minimums but popping just barely above once in awhile. It turned their hub ops into shambles, and I seem to recall that they were actually busing pax to PDX and running a hub from there.

In addition to Alaska, Horizon, and Southwest, I believe Delta and AA have them on some aircraft types. Keep in mind that you don't need a HUD to be able to shoot CAT-II and CAT-III approaches--there is other equipment out there.
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RE: Any Other Airlines Using Huds Besides WN?

Fri Aug 24, 2007 1:04 pm

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 5):
Keep in mind that you don't need a HUD to be able to shoot CAT-II and CAT-III approaches--there is other equipment out there.

Oh I know, we at CO use Cat-111A with autolands.... I would think the HUDS is more of luxury or another option now days when there was no Cat 111A's and Ca111B approaches that use RA for primary vertical guidance, as compared to back when AS was struggling with the ground fog issues there at SEA.

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RE: Any Other Airlines Using Huds Besides WN?

Fri Aug 24, 2007 1:08 pm

To add to OPNLGuy's list, one of the primary users of the HUD systems was surprisingly Ryan International. Ryan used them on their B727-100 fleet throughout the 1990s on their overnight Postal runs in case IND or other stations went down. Was quite interesting to think that the HUD system onboard was probably worth more than the rest of the airframe when it was parked after the contract was ended!

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RE: Any Other Airlines Using Huds Besides WN?

Fri Aug 24, 2007 1:08 pm

B6 has HUD's in their E-190's
 
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RE: Any Other Airlines Using Huds Besides WN?

Fri Aug 24, 2007 1:18 pm

Thanks to all...didn't realize that there are a good amout of other carriers using the system! Have only seen it done in two aerial devices..I say it that way because one of the "devices" isn't actually a aircraft technically...the Space Shuttle. The other aircraft is the G5.

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RE: Any Other Airlines Using Huds Besides WN?

Fri Aug 24, 2007 10:09 pm

According to this report....http://www.flygforsk.lu.se/files/The%20Head%20Up%20Display%20Concept.pdf
the first HUD was used by Air Inter in the early 80's but AS pioneered the commercial version of the device on their 727-200's in 1986. The HUD was an important tool in improving air service into cities with a history of bad weather such as Southeast Alaska and the Northwestern US.
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RE: Any Other Airlines Using Huds Besides WN?

Fri Aug 24, 2007 10:29 pm

Scandinavian Airlines Sweden has HUD's in their 736/7 and 8's with the AOC permit to use them in low vis. approaches.The SAS 73NG's in use with SAS Norway have them installed,but de-activated since the ex-BU ones do not.Neither is there an approval for use in the separate AOC for SAS NO.
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RE: Any Other Airlines Using Huds Besides WN?

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RE: Any Other Airlines Using Huds Besides WN?

Fri Aug 24, 2007 11:41 pm

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RE: Any Other Airlines Using Huds Besides WN?

Sat Aug 25, 2007 6:01 am

This article has taken me by surprise, found it quite interesting as I thought that HUD's were still only military.
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RE: Any Other Airlines Using Huds Besides WN?

Sat Aug 25, 2007 6:13 am

This seems a littel backwards to me. In the past (probably before the 737 NG's came out), didntWN put round dials in all their planes to keep training uniform?
 
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RE: Any Other Airlines Using Huds Besides WN?

Sat Aug 25, 2007 6:25 am

Commutair also has them in their Dash 8's courtesy of previous operator Horizon Airlines:

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RE: Any Other Airlines Using Huds Besides WN?

Sat Aug 25, 2007 6:28 am

Quoting Charliejag1 (Reply 15):
This seems a littel backwards to me. In the past (probably before the 737 NG's came out), didntWN put round dials in all their planes to keep training uniform?

When the 733s and 735s were still in production, Southwest ordered them with "round-dial" indicators (in lieu of EHSIs and EADIs) in order to keep the cockpits as common as possible with the 732s (then still in the fleet). Over the years, Southwest has acquired used 732s, and 733s from the used market, and those too were all round-dials.
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RE: Any Other Airlines Using Huds Besides WN?

Sat Aug 25, 2007 7:39 am

if i recall correctly AA has huds in their 738's. very interesting to see everything right in your face instead of looking down
 
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RE: Any Other Airlines Using Huds Besides WN?

Sat Aug 25, 2007 10:01 am

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 5):
If memory serves, a big driver for them was a big fog event at SEA back in the late 1970s or so.

I believe difficult Alaska approaches, JNU in particular, also influenced the decision.

Quoting Charliejag1 (Reply 15):
. In the past (probably before the 737 NG's came out), didntWN put round dials in all their planes to keep training uniform?

Well, the original 733s came with round dials anyway, so going glass later would have been counter productive. Further, WN still has commonality in the 73Gs due to the software that allows those cockpits to emulate a steam dial cockpit.
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RE: Any Other Airlines Using Huds Besides WN?

Sat Aug 25, 2007 10:06 am

DL also has them in the 738 also.
 
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RE: Any Other Airlines Using Huds Besides WN?

Sat Aug 25, 2007 10:43 am

QF has HUD's on their 73H fleet


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