kaitak744
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Not Enough A380 Gates At Heathrow

Sat Aug 25, 2007 6:51 am

As of now, there are 4 A380 gates at T3. So One World is fine.

Singapore will be using the T3 gates when they start their A380 service to LHR in late 2007/early 2008. However, by 2009, T5 will be open, and Singapore will be forced into T1 with the rest of Star Alliance. As of now, no A380 gates are planned there. Will they have to temporarily switch to 747 service until "Heathrow East" is built?

Also, several non aligned airlines plan to use the A380 to LHR: Emirates, Etihad, Malaysia, and Qatar. However, there are no plans of putting A380 gates at T4.
 
theginge
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RE: Not Enough A380 Gates At Heathrow

Sat Aug 25, 2007 7:23 am

They won't have to switch back to the 747, I have heard that SQ might not be moving in to T1 for a few years yet. When BA moves into T5 in March next year not everyone is moving at the same time. It will be done over a few years as and when infrastructure, including A380 gates, are built.
 
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RE: Not Enough A380 Gates At Heathrow

Sat Aug 25, 2007 12:19 pm

And there aren't going to be that many A380s flying in the next year, anyway, so they have time...
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RE: Not Enough A380 Gates At Heathrow

Sun Aug 26, 2007 12:37 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 2):
And there aren't going to be that many A380s flying in the next year, anyway, so they have time...

Ah, the voice of reason speaks!

At first I thought this thread said "Not enough A380s *for* gates at Heathrow"

Is this a wingspan issue, or a double deck jetway issue?
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stylo777
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RE: Not Enough A380 Gates At Heathrow

Sun Aug 26, 2007 1:22 am

it sounds very uncomfortable, but you can board an A380 also over stairs while parked on the apron in case of gate lack  Wink

we did it here in FRA during several boarding tests and it wasn't that slow if everything works fine.
 
ncelhr
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RE: Not Enough A380 Gates At Heathrow

Sun Aug 26, 2007 1:25 am

I suspect double deck jetway. The A380 fits in the 80m x 80m box and the A346 is longer than the A380.
Since Heathrow is going to go through so many more changes (with complete demolition of Terminal 2), I suspect building a few spaces with double (or triple) jetways into T1 will not be a challenging task.
 
Geo772
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RE: Not Enough A380 Gates At Heathrow

Sun Aug 26, 2007 10:00 pm

Most stands at LHR can't take an 80m wide aircraft, length is not really an issue.

If the A380 programme hadn't been delayed then I think LHR would be in a bit of trouble, but because of the delays they should be ok for capacity.
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RE: Not Enough A380 Gates At Heathrow

Sun Aug 26, 2007 11:18 pm

By the time SQ move from T3 to T1, all of their remaining 19 JumboJets will have been retired from service, so switching back is definitely not an option. SQ is about the last airline that would board a WhaleJet using stairs on the apron. I don't think SQ will be willing to move to T1 until and unless gates suitable for the WhaleJet are available there.
 
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RE: Not Enough A380 Gates At Heathrow

Sun Aug 26, 2007 11:43 pm

There's not enough of anything at Heathrow, who is surprised?
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RE: Not Enough A380 Gates At Heathrow

Sun Aug 26, 2007 11:46 pm

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 7):
I don't think SQ will be willing to move to T1 until and unless gates suitable for the WhaleJet are available there.

I think you underestimate BAA. SQ's willingness may have little to do with the issue. They will move where and when the airport authority tells them to move under penalty of losing LHR rights. Name me an airline that will relinquish LHR slots over a comfort squabble.
All a moot point, as they will be given first dibs on new 380 gates that promise to be available before the eventual terminal swap.
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RE: Not Enough A380 Gates At Heathrow

Mon Aug 27, 2007 12:38 am

Quoting Ncelhr (Reply 5):
The A380 fits in the 80m x 80m box

The 80m box defines the largest standard aircraft type (ICAO code F/ FAA group 6). Virtually all airport gate areas are considerably smaller than that, so both the wingspan (gate spacing) and the dual-level jetways are an issue when accommodating the A380.
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RE: Not Enough A380 Gates At Heathrow

Mon Aug 27, 2007 12:44 am

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 8):
There's not enough of anything at Heathrow, who is surprised?

This is clearly untrue. There is much more than enough luggage looking for its owner.  Wink
 
777236ER
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RE: Not Enough A380 Gates At Heathrow

Mon Aug 27, 2007 1:59 am

Quoting VV701 (Reply 11):

This is clearly untrue. There is much more than enough luggage looking for its owner

Yes, and there are more than enough Costa Coffees, too.
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Bongodog1964
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RE: Not Enough A380 Gates At Heathrow

Mon Aug 27, 2007 5:32 am

Quoting Threepoint (Reply 9):
I think you underestimate BAA. SQ's willingness may have little to do with the issue. They will move where and when the airport authority tells them to move under penalty of losing LHR rights. Name me an airline that will relinquish LHR slots over a comfort squabble.
All a moot point, as they will be given first dibs on new 380 gates that promise to be available before the eventual terminal swap.

BAA have in the past been very threatening to any airline that doesn't accept their decisions; when we had the fog chaos last December BA & BMI in particular whre badly affected, but were told to put up with it or be grounded completely.
 
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RE: Not Enough A380 Gates At Heathrow

Mon Aug 27, 2007 6:19 am

Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 13):
BAA have in the past been very threatening to any airline that doesn't accept their decisions; when we had the fog chaos last December BA & BMI in particular whre badly affected, but were told to put up with it or be grounded completely.

... a predictable consequence of selling all the London area airports to one company. No company should be allowed to own two airports within 100km of each other.
 
Glom
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RE: Not Enough A380 Gates At Heathrow

Mon Aug 27, 2007 7:05 am

No, no, no. Aircraft at LHR don't use gates. They just taxi straight to the queue for the departure so they can get a place. They then deboard the pax by bus, board the next lot by bus and service the aircraft in the queue. It's okay, because there's more than enough time sitting in the queue for a turnaround.
 
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RE: Not Enough A380 Gates At Heathrow

Mon Aug 27, 2007 9:31 am

Quoting Glom (Reply 15):

Ha, ha, ha, right on!

I'm actually assuming that Heathrow East won't really have 'gates' at all, you'll simply have to pass through a shop in order to board your aircraft, which I suspect will only be permitted once your boarding card has been stamped by at least one retail checkout.....  crazy 

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