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ASA Emergency Landing At AVL

Sat Aug 25, 2007 10:33 pm

http://www.blueridgenow.com/article/...gency_landing_at_Asheville_Airport

Looks like a non-story, but it's good to see that it got down safely and that AVL flights are going out full!

Flight was ASQ280.


http://flightaware.com/live/flight/ASQ280

[Edited 2007-08-25 15:39:39]
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RE: ASA Emergency Landing At AVL

Sat Aug 25, 2007 11:23 pm

Why didn't the flight continue on to ATL? Looks like it was half way there when it turned back?
 
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RE: ASA Emergency Landing At AVL

Sat Aug 25, 2007 11:32 pm

Quoting RampGuy (Reply 1):
Why didn't the flight continue on to ATL? Looks like it was half way there when it turned back?

My guess is that if the landing gear actually did have a problem, it wouldn't have been such a big deal if it happened at AVL, but it would have created major problems at ATL.
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RE: ASA Emergency Landing At AVL

Sat Aug 25, 2007 11:34 pm

Quoting RampGuy (Reply 1):
Why didn't the flight continue on to ATL? Looks like it was half way there when it turned back?

I'm betting that in case the gear was stuck in the up position, they'd rather affect AVL operations versus major delays at ATL.
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RE: ASA Emergency Landing At AVL

Sat Aug 25, 2007 11:41 pm

Quoting RampGuy (Reply 1):
Why didn't the flight continue on to ATL? Looks like it was half way there when it turned back?

The flight was in the air for only 31 minutes and never got more than 50 miles from AVL.

The "nose gear indicator" would that the gear did not retract safely/ completely since it was on takeoff and before the aircraft climbed out/ accelerated to climb speed.
 
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RE: ASA Emergency Landing At AVL

Sat Aug 25, 2007 11:47 pm

Quoting RFields5421 (Reply 4):

The flight was in the air for only 31 minutes and never got more than 50 miles from AVL.

Well, the entire flight (AVL-ATL) averages about 34 minutes...
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RE: ASA Emergency Landing At AVL

Sat Aug 25, 2007 11:59 pm

Quoting DeltaAVL (Reply 2):



Quoting PC12Fan (Reply 3):

Great minds, eh Delta?  Big grin
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RE: ASA Emergency Landing At AVL

Sun Aug 26, 2007 12:01 am

Another interesting EV situation is that 763 diverted 2 nights in a row. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/ASQ763/history
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RE: ASA Emergency Landing At AVL

Sun Aug 26, 2007 12:23 am

Quoting DeltaAVL (Reply 5):
Well, the entire flight (AVL-ATL) averages about 34 minutes...

That's at altitude and cruise speed. The plane never got 1/3 of the distance to ATL. It climbed no higher than 18,000 ft and may well have been around 10,000 ft most of the time. It stayed at or near 250-300 KTAS before turning back about 15 minutes into the flight.

With an incomplete gear retraction indication, they would not be able to accelerate to cruise speed.

It looks like they had spent 4 to 8 minutes at a level altitude before turning back.

They could have not had enough fuel on board for the entire trip to ATL - at low altitude and with the potential for the nose gear to be hanging out - the plane will burn fuel at a very high rate - though I doubt that.

What type of maintenance capability exist at AVL for this plane?

What was the weather that day? Any possibility of flying into rough weather would rule out completing the flight.

I doubt it was a decision based on possibly messing up airport traffic - AVL has one runway and ATL have five. ATL will be much more capable of dealing with a runway closure.

The crew obviously felt that it was a indicator issue and not a gear issue, because certainly if they felt the gear might collapse - they would want to be at an airport with the biggest emergency services and hospitals nearby. They could just as easily have diverted to CLT.

But that's all guess work - only the crew and ASQ dispatch knows the real reasons.
 
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RE: ASA Emergency Landing At AVL

Sun Aug 26, 2007 1:30 am

Quoting RFields5421 (Reply 8):
What type of maintenance capability exist at AVL for this plane?

As far as airline maintenance facilities, none. AVL does have a pretty large corporate jet and turboprop maintenance facility, though, so they may have been able to do some work.

Quoting RFields5421 (Reply 8):
What was the weather that day?

Here at AVL last night it was pretty clear. A few clouds, but clear for the most part. Earlier in the day, however, we had a pretty vicious thunderstorm and winds, but I don't think that would have affected ASQ280. Not sure about the weather in ATL.
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RE: ASA Emergency Landing At AVL

Sun Aug 26, 2007 1:31 am

Quoting PC12Fan (Reply 6):
Great minds, eh Delta?

Yep!  silly 
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RE: ASA Emergency Landing At AVL

Sun Aug 26, 2007 10:54 pm

My Question to this is GSP would have been a lot closer then turning back to AVL and the operations are similar in traffic with the fact GSP has more.
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RE: ASA Emergency Landing At AVL

Mon Aug 27, 2007 4:18 am

Quoting GSPITNL (Reply 11):
My Question to this is GSP would have been a lot closer then turning back to AVL and the operations are similar in traffic with the fact GSP has more.

Maybe they wanted the passengers to be back at their origin, where most probably had cars rather than being stuck in Greenville if the plane couldn't take off again.

That's the only thing I can think of...
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RE: ASA Emergency Landing At AVL

Mon Aug 27, 2007 4:47 am

Quoting APFPilot1985 (Reply 7):
Another interesting EV situation is that 763 diverted 2 nights in a row.

Thunderstorms affected operations in ATL both of these nights. Due to the short runways in APF, the CRJ is always weight restricted; therefore, minimum fuel is carried in order to accomodate maximum passengers (and by maximum, I mean 30-35, less on a very hot day). With thunderstorms impacting the area, airplanes were probably holding, and inbound flights from APF could not hold due to minimum fuel loads.