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NW Planes To PSP 1996-2002

Sun Aug 26, 2007 1:33 am

Hi everyone this is my first A.net post so here I go. Does anyone know what kind of planes NW flew from MSP-PSP 1996-2002? I used to fly this route as a kid every year but I don't remember what kind of planes they were. I think it might of been an MD-80 the first couple years and then maybe an A320?
 
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RE: NW Planes To PSP 1996-2002

Sun Aug 26, 2007 2:14 am

Looking through the BTS it appears to be A320's and later A319's. Interesting note, in 1996 NW flew DC-9's to ALO.
 
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RE: NW Planes To PSP 1996-2002

Sun Aug 26, 2007 3:32 am

I have some NW timetables from 2000-2001.

From 12/19/2000 - 1/3/2001, NW flew one A320 daily to MSP, which continued to MCO daily.
From 1/31/2001 - 3/31/2001, NW flew one A320 daily to MSP, which continued to ORD on weekdays.
From 4/1/2001 - 4/30/2001, NW flew one A320 daily to MSP, which continued to DCA every day except Saturdays.
From 5/1/2001 - 5/31/2001, NW did not fly to PSP.
From 6/1/2001 - 8/31/2001, NW did not fly to PSP.
From 9/1/2001 - 10/27/2001, NW did not fly to PSP.

If you have any other questions about NW flights in these times let me know.
Last Flight: SCX701 MSP-PHX B738 8Jan2008
 
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RE: NW Planes To PSP 1996-2002

Sun Aug 26, 2007 4:21 am

Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 1):
Looking through the BTS it appears to be A320's and later A319's.

do you know if they flew MD-80s to ontario, CA in 96?
 
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RE: NW Planes To PSP 1996-2002

Sun Aug 26, 2007 4:33 am

From Northwest timetables effective the dates shown:

Jan. 31, 1996: PSP-MSP, Sunday only, 320
Dec. 18, 1996: PSP-MSP, daily, 320
April 5 - April 30, 1998: PSP-MSP, daily, 320, discontinued April 13
Jan. 5, 1999 - Jan. 30, 1999: PSP-MSP, daily, 320
Jan. 31, 1999 - April 3, 1999: PSP-MSP, daily, 320
April 4, 1999 - April 30, 1999: PSP-MSP, daily, 320
May 1, 1999 - May 31, 1999: no PSP-MSP service

Quoting NWA320 (Reply 3):
do you know if they flew MD-80s to ontario, CA in 96?

In both 1996 timetables referenced above Northwest operated MSP-ONT and return twice daily with MD-80 equipment.

[Edited 2007-08-25 21:37:28]
 
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RE: NW Planes To PSP 1996-2002

Mon Aug 27, 2007 12:25 am

Thank You! This makes sense because I remember deplaning using airstairs, and looking back to see and A320 in my favorite "bowling shoe" livery
 
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RE: NW Planes To PSP 1996-2002

Mon Aug 27, 2007 7:20 am

Quoting NWA320 (Reply 3):
do you know if they flew MD-80s to ontario, CA in 96?

NWA flew MD80s into ONT until the fleet was retired several years after '96.
 
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RE: NW Planes To PSP 1996-2002

Mon Aug 27, 2007 10:06 pm

Interesting that NW has continued to serve PSP, albeit seasonally, while completely dropping ONT in the last year or so. I don't know that PSP will ever become a year-round market for NW, but over the years the demand for service has been consistently strong during the periods it operates nonstop. For a couple of years, the flights were twice-daily during the peak demand period (Feb-Mar), but that hasn't happened since bankruptcy.

Every aircraft at PSP would have used stairs of some sort until 1999 when the now Sonny Bono Concourse debuted with its 8-loading bridges. It was a big step to upgrade the terminal, and one not everyone was in support of, because they felt it would take away from the experience, by removing the walk across the ramp and up/down the airstairs. But the design incorporates as much as possible to retain the mountain views, and does so successfully. The airport is expanding once again with a new Regional Concourse which will open by yearend. The place is lookin' very good, for those who haven't seen it lately.

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[Edited 2007-08-27 15:06:51]
 
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RE: NW Planes To PSP 1996-2002

Mon Aug 27, 2007 11:17 pm

Quoting AAflyguy (Reply 7):
Interesting that NW has continued to serve PSP, albeit seasonally, while completely dropping ONT in the last year or so. I don't know that PSP will ever become a year-round market for NW, but over the years the demand for service has been consistently strong during the periods it operates nonstop. For a couple of years, the flights were twice-daily during the peak demand period (Feb-Mar), but that hasn't happened since bankruptcy.

With the new E175s/CRJ-900s they could serve PSP year round, like they did with YVR(E75 in the off peak season, mainline in the peak season).
 
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RE: NW Planes To PSP 1996-2002

Mon Aug 27, 2007 11:30 pm

Very good point COERJ145. Same could be said for UA with its on-again/off-again seasonal service from ORD. It operates with mainline during season, but can't do so for more than 6-months without the PSP station becoming a mainline station again (contractual obligation with the union). It could switch to an E170/175 for the other 6-months when demand is lower and would allow PSP to remain a contract station. Maybe that'll happen next year. The PSP market is growing enough to support it, but not sure what the yields would be like in the summer months on such a long stage length. AA retained summer PSP-ORD service for the first time this year (albeit only on weekends). I suspect if it performed at or above expectations, it may be expanded to operate more days per week next summer.
 
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RE: NW Planes To PSP 1996-2002

Tue Aug 28, 2007 12:03 am

Quoting AAflyguy (Reply 7):
The place is lookin' very good, for those who haven't seen it lately.

Yes, when I flew there on Sun Country in March, it was looking a lot better than when I went last time in 2004. They improved things and got a new security checkpoint, which really speeds it up.
 
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RE: NW Planes To PSP 1996-2002

Tue Aug 28, 2007 5:42 am

Yes, the new security checkpoint definitely eases the bottleneck that plagued the airport at its busiest outbound times during peak season. The average wait at peak was more than halved after the checkpoint opened early last year. There is even room to add another two lanes beyond what's currently in use. Room to grow!

Also, the area where the existing modular holdrooms (Gates 2 & 3) sit is going to be completely redesigned by the end of 2008. The buildings will be removed, and that entire section of the airside will be transformed into an oasis of sorts with heavy landscaping, pathways, bench seats, tables and chairs, retail & food/beverage concessions, a new children's play area, water feature and art pieces. It will be the first thing people see when exiting the security checkpoint, and also an area through which all arriving passengers must walk to access the terminal building. It will be, in essence, the heart of the airside, and will look and feel much more comfortable, welcoming, and inviting than it does today (and even now it's not too shabby).

Sun Country has picked up in its frequency of service to PSP, compensating for NW's decision not to fly that 2nd daily trip in peak. It appears the flight performed well, so perhaps they'll kick it up to daily for the upcoming winter season. As of now, looks to be the same pattern as last year, but there's time for it to change.

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RE: NW Planes To PSP 1996-2002

Wed Aug 29, 2007 9:18 am

Quoting AAflyguy (Reply 11):
Also, the area where the existing modular holdrooms (Gates 2 & 3) sit is going to be completely redesigned by the end of 2008. The buildings will be removed, and that entire section of the airside will be transformed into an oasis of sorts with heavy landscaping, pathways, bench seats, tables and chairs, retail & food/beverage concessions, a new children's play area, water feature and art pieces. It will be the first thing people see when exiting the security checkpoint, and also an area through which all arriving passengers must walk to access the terminal building. It will be, in essence, the heart of the airside, and will look and feel much more comfortable, welcoming, and inviting than it does today (and even now it's not too shabby).

Wow, that will be really nice, PSP is a has to be one of my favorite airports, and that will make it even better! It's fun going every year and seeing them improving an already beautiful airport!

Quoting AAflyguy (Reply 11):
Sun Country has picked up in its frequency of service to PSP, compensating for NW's decision not to fly that 2nd daily trip in peak. It appears the flight performed well, so perhaps they'll kick it up to daily for the upcoming winter season. As of now, looks to be the same pattern as last year, but there's time for it to change.

Yes, Sun Country is a great airline, I first flew them in 2004 and they get better every year. When I went to Palm Springs on March 1st, there was a terribile snowstorm and Northwest had cancelled all their flights, but Sun Country kept going. So, insted of having to wait days, I arrived in desert paradise only 30 minutes late!

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