lahaina
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HAs 767-300 EMs--acceptable Performance?

Sun Aug 26, 2007 6:59 pm

Does anyone know how the ex-DLs 767-300s are working out for HA. I understand that these planes have been modified and overhauled. Did they get new seats, new overhead bins, and new entertainment systems? Any problems making to their destinations as far as fuel loads go? Are they only flying these planes to certain areas on the West Coast--ie Sacramento, San Jose, SFO, etc?

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RE: HAs 767-300 EMs--acceptable Performance?

Sun Aug 26, 2007 7:03 pm

Quoting Lahaina (Thread starter):
Did they get new seats

Yes

Quoting Lahaina (Thread starter):
new overhead bins

Yes

Quoting Lahaina (Thread starter):
and new entertainment systems

Yes

Quoting Lahaina (Thread starter):
Any problems making to their destinations as far as fuel loads go?

As far I know, no. HAL would know for sure.

Quoting Lahaina (Thread starter):
Are they only flying these planes to certain areas on the West Coast--ie Sacramento, San Jose, SFO, etc?

Yes, usually on California routes, specifically LAX, SFO, SJC and SMF.

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RE: HAs 767-300 EMs--acceptable Performance?

Sun Aug 26, 2007 11:48 pm

for the entertainment systems, are these still the personal ones they only have a few of and sell for $5, or are they PTVs in the seat backs.
Personally i think HA is already a great airline compared to those already flying to Hawaii, and i think AVOD or PTVs would make it even better.
 
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RE: HAs 767-300 EMs--acceptable Performance?

Mon Aug 27, 2007 2:51 am

Quoting DL767captain (Reply 2):
for the entertainment systems, are these still the personal ones they only have a few of and sell for $5, or are they PTVs in the seat backs.

The IFE is overhead screens throughout the cabin, as well as the DigEPlayers which rent for $15. Unfortunately, no PTV's.

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RE: HAs 767-300 EMs--acceptable Performance?

Mon Aug 27, 2007 3:18 am

Curiosity,

Since I flew on a HA 767 for my honeymoon, what fraction were bought used and what fraction were bought new? I missed the DL to HA sale...

Thanks in advance,
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RE: HAs 767-300 EMs--acceptable Performance?

Mon Aug 27, 2007 4:29 am

HA has 18 767-300s

1. N580HA - Delivered NEW; Old style bins; 763ER; owned by HA
2. N581HA - Delivered NEW; Old style bins; 763ER; owned by HA
3. N582HA - Delivered NEW; Old style bins; 763ER; owned by HA
4. N583HA - Former LTU; Old style bins/seats....to be refurbished in the fall; 763ER; leased
5. N584HA - Former LTU; Old style bins/seats....to be refurbished in the fall; 763ER; leased
6. N585HA - Former LTU; Old style bins/seats....to be refurbished in the fall; 763ER; leased
7. N586HA - Former LTU; Old style bins/seats....to be refurbished in the fall; 763ER; leased
8. N587HA - Delivered NEW; 777 interior; 763ER; leased
9. N588HA - Delivered NEW; 777 interior; 763ER; leased
10. N589HA - Delivered NEW; 777 interior; 763ER; leased
11. N590HA - Delivered NEW; 777 interior; 763ER; leased
12. N591HA - Delivered NEW; 777 interior; 763ER; leased
13. N592HA - Delivered NEW; 777 interior; 763ER; leased
14. N593HA - Delivered NEW; 777 interior; 763ER; leased
15. N594HA - Former Delta; Refurbished interior; 763 (not ER); owned by HA
16. N596HA - Former Delta; Refurbished interior; 763 (not ER); owned by HA
17. N597HA - Former Delta; Refurbished interior; 763 (not ER); owned by HA
18. N598HA - Former Delta; Refurbished interior; 763 (not ER); owned by HA

So that is:
10 delivered NEW; 8 older models
11 Leased; 7 Owned by HA
14 with slim purple cloth seats; 4 with black leather (soon to be redone)
11 with 777 style bins; 7 with old style

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RE: HAs 767-300 EMs--acceptable Performance?

Mon Aug 27, 2007 4:41 am

Quoting Lightsaber (Reply 4):
what fraction were bought used and what fraction were bought new?

Eight (8) used:
583, 584, 585, 586 - ex-LTU (old interior)
594, 596, 597, 598 - ex-DL, non-ER (updated interior)
All except 583 have the small forward cargo door

Ten (10) brand new from the factory:
580, 581, 582 - originally leased from AWAS, now owned by HA (old interior)
587, 588, 589, 590, 591, 592, 593 - 4 leased from AWAS, 3 leased from Boeing Capital (new interior)
All with the large forward cargo door
 
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RE: HAs 767-300 EMs--acceptable Performance?

Mon Aug 27, 2007 4:49 am

Quoting Aloha73G (Reply 5):
-Aloha!

Nice detail, thanks!

Quoting Ha763 (Reply 6):
All with the large forward cargo door

Aaahhh, very importage for HA to be able to do optimum cargo.  Wink With the current air fare war, I wonder if all the profit is cargo right now...  Sad I definitely enjoyed the flight. I flew LAX-HNL on a "new interior" plane, so there are 11 planes it could have been.

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RE: HAs 767-300 EMs--acceptable Performance?

Mon Aug 27, 2007 3:46 pm

Quoting Lahaina (Thread starter):
Any problems making to their destinations as far as fuel loads go? Are they only flying these planes to certain areas on the West Coast--ie Sacramento, San Jose, SFO, etc?

I've flown a few of the ex-Delta planes, and there's no problem for the fuel load - there's plenty of unused space in the tanks on our west coast flights. The problem is that they are performance restricted on shorter runways, so in the summer time we actually don't use them to Sacramento. We do use one daily HNL to Seattle on the flight 28/27 pairing. As winter time comes around and SMF cools off, it will be used there again as the winds from SEA that time of year can make it difficult for them to make it back to HNL. So in general in the summer - SFO, SJC, SEA, LAX, and sometimes PDX. Winter time just about anywhere except SEA and PDX. And no, you'll probably never see them in ANC, PPT, or SYD. They may go to PPG occasionally, but mostly because they'll be routed through there enroute to Auckland for our new heavy maintenance contractor.

They fly fine from a pilot's perspective. They don't have the get-up-and-go that the ER's with the big Pratts do, but they're OK. The climb performance suffers up near cruise altitude, but that is only in comparison (again) to the ER's. The interiors are fine - much better than the ex-LTU planes. Now that they've been in service for a while, reliability is fine. They're a good addition to the fleet, and are doing what they're supposed to - take our passengers in comfort across the Pacific while saving the company a lot of $$$.

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RE: HAs 767-300 EMs--acceptable Performance?

Tue Aug 28, 2007 4:36 am

When the ex-LTU planes get an interior makeover this fall, how long will each plane be out of service? Will they be getting the makeover while going through D-checks?

Also, are the interiors of the ex-DL planes the 777-style interiors?

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RE: HAs 767-300 EMs--acceptable Performance?

Tue Aug 28, 2007 6:24 am

Quoting Lahaina (Reply 9):
When the ex-LTU planes get an interior makeover this fall, how long will each plane be out of service? Will they be getting the makeover while going through D-checks?

Also, are the interiors of the ex-DL planes the 777-style interiors?

It will be done during the normal 'C' checks at the ANZ facility in Auckland. I think those take about two to three weeks to accomplish. The updated interiors for the ex-Delta planes are new, and close to the 777 style, but not exactly the same. There was a thread here several months back that had a link to the website of the manufacturer of the new interiors that showed what they look like, but I'm not sure what the thread title was. In general though, they have the larger 'pivot' type overhead bins, but not quite as large (or as wide opening) as the 777 interior. Still, it's very nice looking, and makes the planes look like they're brand new.

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RE: HAs 767-300 EMs--acceptable Performance?

Tue Aug 28, 2007 9:26 am

HAL:

Anyway you can take a few photos of these ex-DL birds' interiors next time when you work in one of these planes and post them on the web. I am interested to see what they look like.

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