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Viva Macau: Quite Possibly The Strangest Route

Sun Aug 26, 2007 11:19 pm

Just got back from a trip to Macau. I noticed the Viva Macau 767 sitting on the tarmac at the airport. I've done a little bit of reading on this airline and the routes the are trying to fly (emphasis on trying). I know Macau>Male is one of them (which was canceled for today).

First, this has got to be one of the lowest O&D routes in the world. Male is already a somewhat tough city to make it in as an airline especially if you are not coming from a major hub or population center. Granted yes it does bring in the tourist. But for Macau, with its small population, and...the fact that it is primarily (wait for it!) a tourist destination this route makes no sense to me. Why on earth would anyone want to try this route??? I personally see them being more successful flying to major markets and bringing in the gamblers, they are flying to Tokyo and some other major cities in Asia, but also a lot of touristy routes...

Can anyone shed any light on this airline? And just why exactly Macau>Male is offered???

Hope they are able to make a success out of their venture!
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RE: Viva Macau: Quite Possibly The Strangest Route

Sun Aug 26, 2007 11:50 pm

This is exactly what I always wondered... And sorry I can't really explain why on earth they have MFM-MLE!
 
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RE: Viva Macau: Quite Possibly The Strangest Route

Sun Aug 26, 2007 11:58 pm

Quoting SQ452 (Thread starter):
Can anyone shed any light on this airline? And just why exactly Macau>Male is offered???

Yes, quite weird. Are there any connections from PUS to the MLE flight? Since there is no direct/non-stop service from HKG, they might also target people living there? I assume that the population of Macau of less then half a million people is quite small for a Maldives market.
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RE: Viva Macau: Quite Possibly The Strangest Route

Mon Aug 27, 2007 12:20 am

Maybe since it was first a Portuguese Colony before it was Dutch then British? naah that was the worst example I could bring up.

Well I am sure some tour operator helps fill this route, PG in Thailand even flies out there, which seems awkward in my sense since people come to Thailand to enjoy its own beaches, why have to fly them back out to the middle of the Indian Ocean instead of Phuket or Samui etc.
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RE: Viva Macau: Quite Possibly The Strangest Route

Mon Aug 27, 2007 12:32 am

Quoting Malaysia (Reply 3):
Maybe since it was first a Portuguese Colony before it was Dutch then British?

When was it Dutch and when was it British?
 
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RE: Viva Macau: Quite Possibly The Strangest Route

Mon Aug 27, 2007 12:40 am

Chinese group tours have recently "discovered" the Maldives. Macau is an easy overland trip from Guangdong province, one of China's richest, from where I expect Viva Macau must get a large part of its custom.
 
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RE: Viva Macau: Quite Possibly The Strangest Route

Mon Aug 27, 2007 3:04 am

Exactly that´s the key !

The majority of passengers are from mainland China !!! I went on Viva Macau last may Jakarta - Macau and talking to the crew revealed that 80-90% of their customers are NOT from Macau.

The Macau market itself would never sustain sufficient loads i was told. Next to this even HK residents shuttle to MFM to save $$$$$ instead of using flights out of HKG. So, MFM is becoming more a sort of LCC airport for HK now (remember that Air Asia / Tiger Airways also fly out of MFM)
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RE: Viva Macau: Quite Possibly The Strangest Route

Mon Aug 27, 2007 4:55 am

Quoting 787KQ (Reply 4):
When was it Dutch and when was it British?

Portuguese in 1558, Dutch in 1654, and British in 1887, then independence in 1965
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RE: Viva Macau: Quite Possibly The Strangest Route

Mon Aug 27, 2007 5:02 am

Quoting Malaysia (Reply 7):
Portuguese in 1558, Dutch in 1654, and British in 1887, then independence in 1965

the subject is about Macau...not Malaysia.
 
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RE: Viva Macau: Quite Possibly The Strangest Route

Mon Aug 27, 2007 5:07 am

Quoting NA747 (Reply 8):
Quoting Malaysia (Reply 7):
Portuguese in 1558, Dutch in 1654, and British in 1887, then independence in 1965

the subject is about Macau...not Malaysia.

Well then, you might then note that those dates do not correspond to Malaysia. Malaysia became independent in 1957... 2007 is their big 50 years Merdeka celebration year.

I believe those dates correspond to the Maledives, since the idea was brought up that both the Maledives and Macau were former Portuguese colonies, and so it does all make sense.
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RE: Viva Macau: Quite Possibly The Strangest Route

Mon Aug 27, 2007 5:11 am

Quoting NA747 (Reply 8):
the subject is about Macau...not Malaysia.

I was talking about the MALDIVES!

hence the Male destination duh!
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RE: Viva Macau: Quite Possibly The Strangest Route

Mon Aug 27, 2007 8:00 am

What about the Air Italy Verona-Hyderabad city pair? Isn't that weird?


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RE: Viva Macau: Quite Possibly The Strangest Route

Mon Aug 27, 2007 10:05 am

Quoting RootsAir (Reply 11):
Air Italy Verona-Hyderabad city pair? Isn't that weird?

It certainly sounds weird! Why on earth...?

Unless there's a large Hyderabad community living in that part of Italy, perhaps?

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RE: Viva Macau: Quite Possibly The Strangest Route

Mon Aug 27, 2007 12:36 pm

Quoting MHG (Reply 6):
MFM is becoming more a sort of LCC airport for HK now (remember that Air Asia / Tiger Airways also fly out of MFM)

That's exactly what I did, took Tiger Airways from Singapore!!! Not bad, and worth the 50% i saved versus flying into HKG.
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RE: Viva Macau: Quite Possibly The Strangest Route

Mon Aug 27, 2007 12:56 pm

Quoting Malaysia (Reply 10):
I was talking about the MALDIVES!

hence the Male destination duh!

I got confused reading the thread. My apologies.
 
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RE: Viva Macau: Quite Possibly The Strangest Route

Mon Aug 27, 2007 4:33 pm

I think the Male flight has been cancelled in favour of the new Sydney route. I could be mistaken though...
 
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RE: Viva Macau: Quite Possibly The Strangest Route

Mon Aug 27, 2007 4:43 pm

here in maldives china is a major market during the low season and charter flights from china are very common. these stop dead from december to february when room rates go up, but now that maldives is so popular, there is really no low season anymore, and not sure what this holds for this market, as cheap is the name of the game, they prefer 3 star hotels. (because of this many hotels dont court this market at all)

btw, in 2004, a chartered jet arrived in male from china and the tour group was forced to fly to colombo because their reservation had been 'lost' so angry were the operators that at ITB the Chinese government officials there filed an official protest with the Maldivian govt, believing it to be a deliberate slight against them.
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RE: Viva Macau: Quite Possibly The Strangest Route

Mon Aug 27, 2007 5:40 pm

Quoting Neptunescar (Reply 16):
here in maldives china is a major market during the low season and charter flights from china are very common. these stop dead from december to february when room rates go up, but now that maldives is so popular, there is really no low season anymore, and not sure what this holds for this market, as cheap is the name of the game, they prefer 3 star hotels. (because of this many hotels dont court this market at all)

btw, in 2004, a chartered jet arrived in male from china and the tour group was forced to fly to colombo because their reservation had been 'lost' so angry were the operators that at ITB the Chinese government officials there filed an official protest with the Maldivian govt, believing it to be a deliberate slight against them.

Really interesting story there! I guess it begs the question, why not fly the flight from Guangzhou or someplace else as opposed to Macau if it is mostly mainland Chinese tourists.

And by the way, Maldives was by far the best "rest and relax" vacation I have ever had in my entire life...gorgeous country, nicest people!
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RE: Viva Macau: Quite Possibly The Strangest Route

Mon Aug 27, 2007 5:45 pm

Quoting Neptunescar (Reply 16):
but now that maldives is so popular, there is really no low season anymore

must be like the North Pole, everybody wants to see it before it's too late, now with the global warming going on, they say Maldives are going to disappear within the next 50 years, that's why it's so popular
 
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RE: Viva Macau: Quite Possibly The Strangest Route

Mon Aug 27, 2007 6:11 pm

The maldives is also a popular destination from Australia, so some SYD feed as well..
 
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RE: Viva Macau: Quite Possibly The Strangest Route

Mon Aug 27, 2007 6:17 pm

Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 19):
The maldives is also a popular destination from Australia, so some SYD feed as well..

Yes but most of those passengers will connect through via SIN or KUL. MFM is too far out of the way.
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RE: Viva Macau: Quite Possibly The Strangest Route

Mon Aug 27, 2007 6:45 pm

Quoting SQ452 (Reply 20):
Yes but most of those passengers will connect through via SIN or KUL. MFM is too far out of the way.

True, but if the price is right and people also want to see something different (ie macau), then i'm sure they would pick up some traffic..

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RE: Viva Macau: Quite Possibly The Strangest Route

Mon Aug 27, 2007 10:19 pm

Quoting 787KQ (Reply 4):
Quoting Malaysia (Reply 3):
Maybe since it was first a Portuguese Colony before it was Dutch then British?

When was it Dutch and when was it British?

I think Malacca (in Malaysia) went through those three stages. Macau remained Portuguese until Dec 31, 1999.
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