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1984 UA Timetable Tid-bits

Tue Aug 28, 2007 1:53 am

Just a couple of tid bits. First of all, the timetable I have in hand advertises the "First to Fly All Fifty" campaign. (Remember when UA had mainline service to each state?)

Second, in reading the blurb about international service to the Orient (when the gateway cities were SEA and PDX), United wrote that Business Class on international was fully comparable to domestic first. Remember those days!

As an aside, my Delta 1981 timetable does list "C" class fares, but as a couple of rows at the front of Y. Well, that was the genesis of business class.
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RE: 1984 UA Timetable Tid-bits

Tue Aug 28, 2007 1:58 am

Quoting Zrs70 (Thread starter):
First of all, the timetable I have in hand advertises the "First to Fly All Fifty" campaign. (Remember when UA had mainline service to each state?)

I can visualize that very timetable. I used to love reading timetables, imagining trips I could take.

I remember:
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RE: 1984 UA Timetable Tid-bits

Tue Aug 28, 2007 3:20 am

Quoting Zrs70 (Thread starter):
(Remember when UA had mainline service to each state?)

Even Delaware? Wow.

Quoting N174UA (Reply 1):
I used to love reading timetables, imagining trips I could take.

I still do. I have a small collection at home. The DL ones from 2000-2002 were/are great because they provided a lot of information.

There is a website out there (does anyone know it, I lost the link) that has timetables from the 70's and 80's and it's fun to go through and look at air service back then, especially in the 70's when prices were published in the schedules.

[Edited 2007-08-27 20:21:07]
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RE: 1984 UA Timetable Tid-bits

Tue Aug 28, 2007 3:38 am

Quoting AirTranTUS (Reply 2):
There is a website out there (does anyone know it, I lost the link) that has timetables from the 70's and 80's and it's fun to go through and look at air service back then, especially in the 70's when prices were published in the schedules.

You may be thinking of http://www.airchive.com/

There's also the following site, which in a few cases contains all pages from the timetable. Two that are interesting are the complete January 1958 and April 1963 Pan Am timetables.
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RE: 1984 UA Timetable Tid-bits

Tue Aug 28, 2007 4:59 am

Quoting AirTranTUS (Reply 2):
Quoting Zrs70 (Thread starter):
(Remember when UA had mainline service to each state?)

Even Delaware? Wow.

Yup, Wilmington, I believe. I still think someone ought to be able to make it work as an alternative to PHL, even if it is just 30 miles away.

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RE: 1984 UA Timetable Tid-bits

Tue Aug 28, 2007 4:59 am

Quoting AirTranTUS (Reply 2):
Even Delaware? Wow.

United's July 1, 1984 timetable shows twice daily one-stop same plane service from Wilmington, DE, to ORD. One flight routed via ABE, the other via IAD.

Also of interest, the above-mentioned timetable shows service to "only" 49 states. Fargo, ND was added soon thereafter which made it possible for United to claim "First To Fly All 50 States" on the cover of their October 28, 1984 timetable.
 
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RE: 1984 UA Timetable Tid-bits

Tue Aug 28, 2007 5:05 am

At the time, United had a promotion. If could fly into or out of each of the fifty within a given time period, you got free travel for a year (something like that). I remember at the age of 14, in 1984, sitting with my timetable planning my imaginary routing!
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RE: 1984 UA Timetable Tid-bits

Tue Aug 28, 2007 6:28 am

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 3):
You may be thinking of

No, those aren't it. The one I am thinking of had scanned copies of all the pages and I could see specific flights for each city (e.g. Tucson).
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RE: 1984 UA Timetable Tid-bits

Tue Aug 28, 2007 8:14 am

Quoting Zrs70 (Thread starter):
Just a couple of tid bits. First of all, the timetable I have in hand advertises the "First to Fly All Fifty" campaign. (Remember when UA had mainline service to each state?)

Second, in reading the blurb about international service to the Orient (when the gateway cities were SEA and PDX), United wrote that Business Class on international was fully comparable to domestic first. Remember those days!

didnt the claim to be the first to fly to all 50 states also meant the first to fly to all 50 state capitols...i remember where i would always get assigned the inbound ttn-ord flight, and it continued on to lnk and foe, i could be wrong on the capitol claim.
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RE: 1984 UA Timetable Tid-bits

Tue Aug 28, 2007 8:22 am

I'm sure the 1984 schedule also showed RNO-DEN and RNO-ORD. These routes were orginally flown by stretch DC-8's, but by 1984 I'm pretty sure that the re-engined DC-8-71's were being used. Alas, UA no longer goes to ORD out of RNO, but it does have several daily TED flights to DEN.

By the way, the old DC-8's were so underpowered that with our hot and high conditions here at RNO, UA had to frequently off-load pax and/or bags during the hot summer months.
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RE: 1984 UA Timetable Tid-bits

Tue Aug 28, 2007 8:35 am

Quoting Uadc8contrail (Reply 8):
didnt the claim to be the first to fly to all 50 states also meant the first to fly to all 50 state capitols...i remember where i would always get assigned the inbound ttn-ord flight, and it continued on to lnk and foe, i could be wrong on the capitol claim.

It was actually to (at least) the largest city in each state, not necessarily the capital.

For example, United didn't fly to Concord, NW, but they flew to MHR.
United didn't fly to Augusta, ME, but they flew to PWM (and BGR)
United didn't fly to Dover, DE, but they did fly to Wilmington.
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RE: 1984 UA Timetable Tid-bits

Tue Aug 28, 2007 8:55 am

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didnt the claim to be the first to fly to all 50 states also meant the first to fly to all 50 state capitols.

In 1984 United did not fly to Olympia, Carson City, Santa Fe, Topeka, Jefferson City, Dover, Concord, or Augusta. How many other state capitols do not have commercial service at all?

Out of curiousity, did BFL have SFO service yet in your 1984 timetable?
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RE: 1984 UA Timetable Tid-bits

Tue Aug 28, 2007 9:02 am

Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 11):
How many other state capitols do not have commercial service at all?

Interesting question. Of the cities you mentioned above, keep in mind that Santa Fe, Topeka, Jefferson City, and Augusta have all had commercial service, but not by United.

But let me add to the list, to the best of my knowledge:

Montpeller, VT
Frankfort, KY
Trenton, NJ (actually, there may have been on and off service here)
Pierre, SD
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RE: 1984 UA Timetable Tid-bits

Tue Aug 28, 2007 10:39 am

Also-
No UA service (at that time) to:

TLH, BTR, SPI, FOE, SLE
and I'm sure there are more capitals where UA didn't fly.
 
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RE: 1984 UA Timetable Tid-bits

Tue Aug 28, 2007 10:44 am

Quoting Tango-Bravo (Reply 5):
United's July 1, 1984 timetable shows twice daily one-stop same plane service from Wilmington, DE, to ORD. One flight routed via ABE, the other via IAD.

And DL's service to ILG will end next week: RE: DL To Drop ILG Service After Sept. 5 (by MAH4546 Jul 25 2007 in Civil Aviation)

With PHL so close, and the lack of any real facilities at ILG, I don't see a lot of near-term scheduled air service out of there. Flights to hubs on UA or US might be of use to me, but I don't see either carrier being in any hurry to try this, especially given the failure of DL's service in this market.
 
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RE: 1984 UA Timetable Tid-bits

Tue Aug 28, 2007 10:57 am

Quoting Uadc8contrail (Reply 8):
didnt the claim to be the first to fly to all 50 states also meant the first to fly to all 50 state capitols.

It was 50 states, not capitols.
 
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RE: 1984 UA Timetable Tid-bits

Tue Aug 28, 2007 11:04 am

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 15):
It was 50 states, not capitols

Actually, it was not capitAls either!
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RE: 1984 UA Timetable Tid-bits

Tue Aug 28, 2007 11:10 am

The two I got a kick out of was Trenton and Topeka.
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RE: 1984 UA Timetable Tid-bits

Tue Aug 28, 2007 11:16 am

Quoting Isitsafenow (Reply 17):
The two I got a kick out of was Trenton and Topeka

Back in the 80's, Frontier, Ozark, and Midway all served Topeka with Mainline. I forget if UA ever served them.
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RE: 1984 UA Timetable Tid-bits

Tue Aug 28, 2007 11:44 am

Quoting Zrs70 (Reply 18):
Back in the 80's, Frontier, Ozark, and Midway all served Topeka with Mainline. I forget if UA ever served them

UA flew to FOE as a tag on from the ORD-LNK flt, it was usually flown with a 27 and i think there was a ORD-MCI-FOE for awhile back in the 86-88 time frame.



Quoting Zrs70 (Reply 16):
Actually, it was not capitAls either

i guess panam747 had better school me again on spelling

Quoting Zrs70 (Reply 10):
For example, United didn't fly to Concord, NW, but they flew to MHR.

Concord,NW????? and MHR?????hmmmm.....now who needs to be schooled as well??? Smile
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RE: 1984 UA Timetable Tid-bits

Tue Aug 28, 2007 2:43 pm

Quoting Zrs70 (Reply 6):
At the time, United had a promotion. If could fly into or out of each of the fifty within a given time period, you got free travel for a year (something like that).

I wonder if anyone took up UA on that offer.  Smile
 
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RE: 1984 UA Timetable Tid-bits

Tue Aug 28, 2007 9:16 pm

Quoting Zrs70 (Reply 18):

UA at time to time flew into Forbes from MCI and then ORD . I didnt no Ozark did. Thx for the info.
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RE: 1984 UA Timetable Tid-bits

Tue Aug 28, 2007 9:44 pm

Quoting Zrs70 (Reply 18):


Back in the 80's, Frontier, Ozark, and Midway all served Topeka with Mainline.

Ozark did not fly to FOE.
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RE: 1984 UA Timetable Tid-bits

Wed Aug 29, 2007 2:49 am

Quoting Zrs70 (Thread starter):

Is it possible for you to look up the ORD-DEN flights for 1984 (month of May if you have it)?
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RE: 1984 UA Timetable Tid-bits

Wed Aug 29, 2007 3:21 am

Quoting AirTranTUS (Reply 2):
There is a website out there (does anyone know it, I lost the link) that has timetables from the 70's and 80's and it's fun to go through and look at air service back then, especially in the 70's when prices were published in the schedules.

AirTranTUS, are you thinking of www.departedflights.com ?
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RE: 1984 UA Timetable Tid-bits

Wed Aug 29, 2007 3:39 am

Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 11):
Out of curiousity, did BFL have SFO service yet in your 1984 timetable?

Yes, BFL had mainline until 87 as I recall.

Quoting RNOcommctr (Reply 9):
By the way, the old DC-8's were so underpowered that with our hot and high conditions here at RNO, UA had to frequently off-load pax and/or bags during the hot summer months.

Are you referring to the original stretch8's or the DC-8-52's? A few times I flew on the 62's..UA scheduled them on some shorter hops like ORD-BDL..With a light load they were like a rocket..sorta comparable to today's 757's.

The 52's may have been a bit on the underpowered side at hot n high airfields.
 
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RE: 1984 UA Timetable Tid-bits

Wed Aug 29, 2007 6:13 am

Quoting RNOcommctr (Reply 9):
By the way, the old DC-8's were so underpowered that with our hot and high conditions here at RNO, UA had to frequently off-load pax and/or bags during the hot summer months.

I remember flying on what had to be one of the last DC-8-62s in the fleet on a hot summer's day ORD to PDX. Got seated in the 2x2 last row in the last available seat. I was low enough to see the end of the runway at ORD on takeoff - it was a long roll -43 or 45 sec IIRC. Hate to think of what is was like at RNO.
 
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RE: 1984 UA Timetable Tid-bits

Wed Aug 29, 2007 6:40 am

Quoting ADent (Reply 26):
Quoting RNOcommctr (Reply 9):
By the way, the old DC-8's were so underpowered that with our hot and high conditions here at RNO, UA had to frequently off-load pax and/or bags during the hot summer months.

I remember flying on what had to be one of the last DC-8-62s in the fleet on a hot summer's day ORD to PDX. Got seated in the 2x2 last row in the last available seat. I was low enough to see the end of the runway at ORD on takeoff - it was a long roll -43 or 45 sec IIRC. Hate to think of what is was like at RNO.

UA bought their long-range DC-8-62s for routes like JFK-HNL and ORD-HNL, so ORD-PDX shouldn't have been much of a challenge for a -62 which had the most powerful JT3D engine option. The early non-fan DC-8-10/20 was much less powerful.
 
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RE: 1984 UA Timetable Tid-bits

Wed Aug 29, 2007 9:10 am

Quoting N702ML (Reply 24):
AirTranTUS, are you thinking of www.departedflights.com ?

Yes I am. Thank you! I'll bookmark it this time.  ashamed 
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