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Rumor: CO To Announce EWR-NCE

Wed Aug 29, 2007 6:06 am

In my opinionit was just a matter of when not if. From a co-worker at CO I heard that Continental is preparing to announce flights from EWR to NCE. The flights would be a once daily 757 service. Hope it's true as Nice is one of my favorite places in Europe!
 
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RE: Rumor: CO To Announce EWR-NCE

Wed Aug 29, 2007 6:13 am

Along with the rumours of EWR-HEL, -MUC, -BOD, NCL (the list goes on). I, for one, wait till it happens. I don't mean to rain on your parade, but it is not for certain unitl the flight takes off (or at least loaded in Sonic (our res system)).

One can only hope.
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RE: Rumor: CO To Announce EWR-NCE

Wed Aug 29, 2007 6:35 am

This city has been rumoured between CO employees ever since I started working as a CAL FA a year and a half ago!
 
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RE: Rumor: CO To Announce EWR-NCE

Wed Aug 29, 2007 6:40 am

Isn't the NCE-NYC market well covered with DL?
Wouldn't 5 weekly EWR-MRS and 4 weekly EWR-TRN B757 make more sense?
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RE: Rumor: CO To Announce EWR-NCE

Wed Aug 29, 2007 6:45 am

The level of wealth in the MRS area is nowhere as high as it is around NCE, NCE will probably get better returns. And DL/AF practice such high prices on JFK-NCE, some healthy competition would help.

Now a new aircraft with decent space in Y and PTVs would really make a difference!
 
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RE: Rumor: CO To Announce EWR-NCE

Wed Aug 29, 2007 6:48 am

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 3):
Isn't the NCE-NYC market well covered with DL?

As opposed to all the other markets that CO/DL/AA/BA/AF/KL (etc.) fly. Competition is good. That and a 757 is economical.
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RE: Rumor: CO To Announce EWR-NCE

Wed Aug 29, 2007 6:59 am

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 3):
weekly EWR-TRN B757 make more sense?

can a 752 make it to TRN?
 
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RE: Rumor: CO To Announce EWR-NCE

Wed Aug 29, 2007 7:04 am

What about EWR-VCE? Is that possible?
 
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RE: Rumor: CO To Announce EWR-NCE

Wed Aug 29, 2007 7:13 am

With more than a dozen 737-900ERs being delivered to CO in 2008 they will be able to free up the remaining 757-200 fleet which still are flying domestically and to Latin America from IAH, this will allow CO to realize their full Trans-Atlantic 757-200 capabilities which began in '95/'96. All 41 of CO's 757-200s have the BusinessFirst Cabins and Winglets, AVOD throughout will be realized by the end of next Summer. AVOD is already available in BusinessFirst.

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 3):
Isn't the NCE-NYC market well covered with DL?
Wouldn't 5 weekly EWR-MRS and 4 weekly EWR-TRN B757 make more sense?

I took my wife on our Honeymoon cruise which took us both to Marseilles and Nice (Ville Franche), Marseilles Port was rather rough, reminded me of Port Newark back home. We took an excursion tour of Aixen Provence which was very nice, the route through Marseilles was full of graffiti. I got the impression that the Marseilles area was a little economically depressed and had problems with poor North African youths, I could be wrong. Aixen Provence to which Marseilles was the gateway was very nice, lots of tours from the US are heading to Aixen Provence and that region. One thing cool about Marseilles port was the huge graffiti on the sea wall as we left the port, in huge letters someone painted USS Carl Vinson Med Cruise was here (I forget the year they painted).

Nice on the other hand was very affluent, the road in the mountains from Nice to Monaco was full of extravagant homes. Nice, Ville Franche, Monaco of course were outstanding. Even with the competition I can see CO going with Nice over Marseilles.

As for possible destinations for CO in France I would consider UTA, who flew nonstop from EWR to..

Marseilles, Bordeaux, Toulouse, Nantes, Lyon, Nice.

I can see CO flying nonstop to some of those Cities.
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RE: Rumor: CO To Announce EWR-NCE

Wed Aug 29, 2007 7:14 am

Can the 757 make EWR-NCE?
 
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RE: Rumor: CO To Announce EWR-NCE

Wed Aug 29, 2007 7:16 am

Quoting Nycfly75 (Reply 7):
What about EWR-VCE? Is that possible?

CO will fly EWR to Venice, but not with the 757-200. It will most likely be a 787-8 route or a 767-200/400 which was freed up by a 787-8 from another route. That would be 2009 at the earliest.
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RE: Rumor: CO To Announce EWR-NCE

Wed Aug 29, 2007 9:16 am

Quoting RwSEA (Reply 9):
Can the 757 make EWR-NCE?

Yes. The 757 flies from EWR to places in Germany with no problem.
 
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RE: Rumor: CO To Announce EWR-NCE

Wed Aug 29, 2007 10:46 am

Quoting LGAtoIND (Reply 11):
Yes. The 757 flies from EWR to places in Germany with no problem.

EWR-CGN 3789 mi
EWR-NCE 4007 mi
 
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RE: Rumor: CO To Announce EWR-NCE

Wed Aug 29, 2007 10:48 am

i want to see EWR-CMN.........that would be nice!!
 
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RE: Rumor: CO To Announce EWR-NCE

Wed Aug 29, 2007 11:02 am

Quoting Usairways85 (Reply 12):
EWR-CGN 3789 mi
EWR-NCE 4007 mi

EWR-TXL 3980 mi
DTW-DUS (current NW route) 4049 mi

We fly to HAM, TXL, CGN with the 757 (FRA with widebody).

EWR-NCE is doable (just).
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RE: Rumor: CO To Announce EWR-NCE

Wed Aug 29, 2007 2:51 pm

I think CO from NCE to EWR wouldn't bring a big change in offer except perhaps for price, compared to DL to JFK.

For routes from other French airports, it has already been tried without success. The market is not here, even if these other towns are bigger than NCE - i.e MRS, LYS or TLS.
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RE: Rumor: CO To Announce EWR-NCE

Wed Aug 29, 2007 7:03 pm

Quoting AF777300ER (Reply 15):
I think CO from NCE to EWR wouldn't bring a big change in offer

Got to be better than those skanky DL 763's - anythings an improvement !  Smile
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RE: Rumor: CO To Announce EWR-NCE

Wed Aug 29, 2007 7:06 pm

Quoting AF777300ER (Reply 15):
think CO from NCE to EWR wouldn't bring a big change in offer except perhaps for price, compared to DL to JFK.

For routes from other French airports, it has already been tried without success. The market is not here, even if these other towns are bigger than NCE - i.e MRS, LYS or TLS

Come on, how can you compare what they tried between 10 to 20 years ago to something that may happen next year ??? Lyon can support a daily 757 flight to JFK (DL should resume this service next year), NCE can easily support a second daily flight to NYC during summer...

AA and DL stopped to fly to DUS because of low loads and yield but DL and NW are now back there !!!
If they had your point of view, DUS shouldn't have any other flights to the USA for a long while...

So I hope this rumour is true because it can work during the high season; and it should be nice to see a CO 757 at NCE  Smile
 
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RE: Rumor: CO To Announce EWR-NCE

Wed Aug 29, 2007 7:13 pm

Quoting CuriousFlyer (Reply 4):
And DL/AF practice such high prices on JFK-NCE, some healthy competition would help.

Keep smoking that crack pipe if you think that CO is going to go into the market and lower prices.....
 
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RE: Rumor: CO To Announce EWR-NCE

Wed Aug 29, 2007 8:46 pm

Quoting Panamair (Reply 18):
Keep smoking that crack pipe if you think that CO is going to go into the market and lower prices.....

Even if they do not introduce a price war with DL, there will at least be some more seats available at less than full fare. In the summer, the DL flights are stuffed like sardine cans and even a month in advance you'd have to pay full fare in economy, which means it then becomes cheaper to fly via LHR, CDG, FRA, etc.
In the summer, the seat offer is well below the demand at the moment.

CO on 752 would be great news!
 
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RE: Rumor: CO To Announce EWR-NCE

Wed Aug 29, 2007 10:44 pm

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 14):
Quoting Usairways85 (Reply 12):
EWR-CGN 3789 mi
EWR-NCE 4007 mi

EWR-TXL 3980 mi
DTW-DUS (current NW route) 4049 mi

We fly to HAM, TXL, CGN with the 757 (FRA with widebody).

EWR-NCE is doable (just).

Can't compare CO and NW 757's as they different engines and a much different seating configuration.
 
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RE: Rumor: CO To Announce EWR-NCE

Wed Aug 29, 2007 10:48 pm

Quoting Fllcontinental (Thread starter):
Hope it's true as Nice is one of my favorite places in Europe!

I second that.

Either way, CO and DL are continuing towards their dominance in the smaller European markets that sometimes are hidden gold mines.
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RE: Rumor: CO To Announce EWR-NCE

Thu Aug 30, 2007 12:36 am

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 16):
Got to be better than those skanky DL 763's - anythings an improvement !

They may lack PTV's, but I wouldn't call them skanky. I flew on one last fall (DL21, CDG-ATL, N175DN) that was still in the Ron Allen colors, and it was relatively comfortable back in coach, with more toe room under the seats than DL's 777's. The plane was also very clean and was in excellent shape, despite the fact that it was 16 years old (the paint still looked great also). Plus many of their 763's were obtained in the late '90's and are less than 10 years old. No, DL 763's don't have PTV's or the 777-style interior, but if I'm not mistaken, most of them have been fitted with the refreshed biz elite cabin and have leather seats in Y. Plus, the overhead bins may look a bit dated, but have almost as much room as the 777 bins (definitely more room than 757 bins).
But you're right that CO 757's will be an improvement in terms of the product as they'll be equipped with AVOD by the time this flight would begin if this rumor is true. But even if the 757 has AVOD I'd still prefer the 767 for this flight due to the bigger feel it provides, plus having that aisle makes a big difference if you need to hit the lavs/stretch, especially when the FA's are doing food/drink service.
Hopefully this rumor will turn out true as this would be great for CO and NCE!  Smile
 
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RE: Rumor: CO To Announce EWR-NCE

Thu Aug 30, 2007 1:24 am

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 14):
DTW-DUS (current NW route) 4049 mi

...with an (oddly, I might add) longer ranged bird and different seating capacity.

Quoting FoxXray (Reply 17):
Come on, how can you compare what they tried between 10 to 20 years ago to something that may happen next year ???

10-20yrs ago? Not quite.
Some of those routes were tried as recently as 2000/2001.
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RE: Rumor: CO To Announce EWR-NCE

Thu Aug 30, 2007 1:35 am

It would be wiser to try EWR-NUE instead of NCE on a 757- NCE has enough US capacity with Delta...
NUE has lot's of US export oriented business year-round.
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RE: Rumor: CO To Announce EWR-NCE

Thu Aug 30, 2007 1:40 am

Quoting 747fan (Reply 22):
if I'm not mistaken, most of them have been fitted with the refreshed biz elite cabin and have leather seats in Y. Plus, the overhead bins may look a bit dated, but have almost as much room as the 777 bins (definitely more room than 757 bins).

You must have been on diffferent ones than me then - the ones I went on had awful battleship grey interiors with flaking walls and tatty carpets, the seats were uncomfortable, and there were TV's suspended from the ceiling, like in a cheap motel. Far from beautiful. And I wouldn't rave too much about the "refreshed" biz elite cabin. The seats are still narrow, and there are too many - who still has 2x2x2 in a 767 longhaul business class in this day and age ?

Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 24):
NCE has enough US capacity with Delta...

No it doesn't - DL only operate 5 a week in winter, which isn't enough. I'd welcome CO with open arms, just opening up more options (and better connections through EWR, which is a dream compared to JFK).
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RE: Rumor: CO To Announce EWR-NCE

Thu Aug 30, 2007 1:43 am

Quoting FoxXray (Reply 17):
Come on, how can you compare what they tried between 10 to 20 years ago to something that may happen next year ??? Lyon can support a daily 757 flight to JFK (DL should resume this service next year), NCE can easily support a second daily flight to NYC during summer...

If the market can support a second daily flight to the US, why DL has not renewed the flight to ATL they introduced last summer...
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RE: Rumor: CO To Announce EWR-NCE

Thu Aug 30, 2007 1:44 am

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 3):
Wouldn't 5 weekly EWR-MRS and 4 weekly EWR-TRN B757 make more sense?

What does TRN have to do with NCE? Other side of the Alps, no convenient road/rail link between the 2, and 2 totally different cities and markets!

Quoting STT757 (Reply 8):
I took my wife on our Honeymoon cruise which took us both to Marseilles and Nice (Ville Franche), Marseilles Port was rather rough, reminded me of Port Newark back home. We took an excursion tour of Aixen Provence which was very nice, the route through Marseilles was full of graffiti. I got the impression that the Marseilles area was a little economically depressed and had problems with poor North African youths, I could be wrong. Aixen Provence to which Marseilles was the gateway was very nice

I agree with your tourist point of view, yet don't live under the impression that everything is heaven in Nice. It's got also major poverty and racism problems (Le Pen's highest vote in 2002 was in the Alpes-maritimes department of which Nice is the main city, Nice had a Front National mayor for a long while), cost of life is very expensive, unemployment is very high, and whoever can't afford an apartment in the beautiful parts of the city will end up in these poor ghettos somewhere on the hills... The old part is cool but i find the rest of the city very arrogant and overpriced. Marseilles does not have the immediate charm of Nice or Aix for sure, it's very chaotic, not so wealthy but yet it is full of hidden treasures that you can only discover when you spend enough time in the city. I just love it.

If you land in MRS, you are almost as close from Aix than Marseilles downtown (or should i say as far?)

Graffiti? oh well, they flourish everywhere in France. Paint makers must be happy!
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RE: Rumor: CO To Announce EWR-NCE

Thu Aug 30, 2007 1:45 am

Quoting AF777300ER (Reply 26):
why DL has not renewed the flight to ATL they introduced last summer...

Because nobody wants to go to/via ATL. NYC is a whole other story, with a lot of originating traffic as well as good onward connections through EWR (way better than JFK). I also think an NCE-MIA flight would work, but nobody has a small enough aircraft with long enough legs.
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RE: Rumor: CO To Announce EWR-NCE

Thu Aug 30, 2007 1:55 am

Marseille is not a city easy to discover and appreciate - but behind all the dirt and graffiti (..unfortunately true..) the city is a more "normal" place as comped to Nice,Cannes or even Aix.
By "normal" I mean inhabited by a blend of many immigrants -which give Marseille a very exotic touch- but unfortunately also brings some crime.The city itself is very fascinating with many hiden architectural treasures.There are many more beaches in Marseille than in Cannes or Nice.
Nice ,Cannes and Aix are very expensive places to live for the "average" French citizen.Rentals and real estate are way over the top and crime is not as visible as in Marseille but rather more "white collar crime" directed.
I would nevertheless not recommend any women to wear expensive handbags with lots of cash or credit-cards inside-police is warning visitors to Nice that theft is common and all over the place.
Marseille would sustain a daily 757 to EWR,since the catchment area would stretch as ar fas Aix,Nîmes and even Montpellier.(The parking lot in MRS is full of cars from "30" and "34" deprtements..Gard and Hèrault )
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RE: Rumor: CO To Announce EWR-NCE

Thu Aug 30, 2007 1:57 am

Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 29):
The parking lot in MRS is full of cars from "30" and "34" deprtements..Gard and Hèrault )

All of them stolen by people from Bouches du Rhone  Smile
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RE: Rumor: CO To Announce EWR-NCE

Thu Aug 30, 2007 2:03 am

Quoting STT757 (Reply 8):
With more than a dozen 737-900ERs being delivered to CO in 2008 they will be able to free up the remaining 757-200 fleet which still are flying domestically and to Latin America from IAH, this will allow CO to realize their full Trans-Atlantic 757-200 capabilities which began in '95/'96. All 41 of CO's 757-200s have the BusinessFirst Cabins and Winglets, AVOD throughout will be realized by the end of next Summer. AVOD is already available in BusinessFirst.

Absolutely right on with this.

By this time next year there will not be another 757-200 on a domestic leg.
 
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Thu Aug 30, 2007 2:05 am

..my car was vandalized three weeks ago in Tarascon (Bouchees du Rhone..) -the young gang that did it apparently werer 'gitans" -as seen by a pub-owner next to our flat - but they escaped (.of course )...
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RE: Rumor: CO To Announce EWR-NCE

Thu Aug 30, 2007 2:08 am

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 25):
who still has 2x2x2 in a 767 longhaul business class in this day and age ?

Actually, most still have 2-2-2 on the 767s: AA, UA, NZ, OZ, Maxjet, US, OS, and even BA

I believe that only CO, AZ, AC, and NH have a 2-1-2 config on their 767s.

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 25):
DL only operate 5 a week in winter, which isn't enough

That's plenty enough for NCE for winter...in fact, in the deep dead winter period from mid-Jan to early Feb, it has to go down to 3x weekly...loads for January, in general are only in the low 60s.

[Edited 2007-08-29 19:15:45]
 
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RE: Rumor: CO To Announce EWR-NCE

Thu Aug 30, 2007 2:12 am

From my understanding, there are 29 of the 41 752's employed on TATL traffic. With the 739er's coming on, that will free up 12 aircraft. In spring 2009, CO will need to free up 2 772's for the proposed EWR>PVG route. Net 10 752's to TATL traffic, less any maintenance spares. So, let the real speculation begin with that information. Not sure of the delivery schedule of the 739er's, so only a portion of the 12 752's may be available for 2008 (one already for CLE>CDG) and the remainder for spring 2009. Judging by past expansions, 3-4 new destinations per year plus a few frequency increases on routes (like LIS last year) seems well within the normal operating pattern of CO.

Fall 2009, should see 788's scheduled for the expansion or backfilling routes that need widebody service, like the ones the 772's are borrowed from for EWR>PVG.
 
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RE: Rumor: CO To Announce EWR-NCE

Thu Aug 30, 2007 2:22 am

Quoting Panamair (Reply 33):
, even BA

True, but that's their front-and-rear flatbed product, this is a unique case.

Quoting Panamair (Reply 33):
AA, UA

Euwww - those domestic products barely rate as a premium economy. Longhaul the "flatbeds" are very small.

Quoting Panamair (Reply 33):
I believe that only CO, AZ, AC, and NH have a 2-1-2 config on their 767s.

So do AV and RG
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RE: Rumor: CO To Announce EWR-NCE

Thu Aug 30, 2007 3:37 am

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 28):
Because nobody wants to go to/via ATL. NYC is a whole other story, with a lot of originating traffic as well as good onward connections through EWR (way better than JFK).

That's right. NYC is where the money is. NCE is where it's spent.
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RE: Rumor: CO To Announce EWR-NCE

Thu Aug 30, 2007 3:52 am

Quoting Ncelhr (Reply 19):
Keep smoking that crack pipe if you think that CO is going to go into the market and lower prices.....

On EWR-CDG, CO often has better deals than AF/DL from JFK, particularly in BusinessFirst (eg summer and Christmas sales, and no 7 days minimum stay for trips that include a Saturday away).
 
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RE: Rumor: CO To Announce EWR-NCE

Thu Aug 30, 2007 3:53 am

Quoting Fllcontinental (Thread starter):
In my opinionit was just a matter of when not if. From a co-worker at CO I heard that Continental is preparing to announce flights from EWR to NCE. The flights would be a once daily 757 service. Hope it's true as Nice is one of my favorite places in Europe!

Heard that in Feb! Still hasnt happened. I'll believe it when I see it
 
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RE: Rumor: CO To Announce EWR-NCE

Thu Aug 30, 2007 3:56 am

Quoting YULWinterSkies (Reply 27):
Graffiti? oh well, they flourish everywhere in France. Paint makers must be happy!

Yep, all you got to do to discover this is take the bus or a taxi from CDG to downtown Paris. Smile I had never seen so much graffiti in my life.

Quoting GoBoeing (Reply 31):
By this time next year there will not be another 757-200 on a domestic leg.

I don't know about that - think about aircraft utilization in EWR between TATL flights. Many airlines (notably DL and UA) use their intl. aircraft between intl. flights on hub-hub or hub-Florida/major destination to increase aircraft utilization. CO could use them on a EWR-CLE or IAH flight or on a EWR-Florida (MCO, FLL, TPA) hop. I know they have a domestic 762 flight (maybe more than one) between IAH and EWR.
 
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RE: Rumor: CO To Announce EWR-NCE

Thu Aug 30, 2007 3:56 am

Quoting YULWinterSkies (Reply 27):
Marseilles does not have the immediate charm of Nice or Aix for sure, it's very chaotic, not so wealthy but yet it is full of hidden treasures that you can only discover when you spend enough time in the city. I just love it.

If you land in MRS, you are almost as close from Aix than Marseilles downtown (or should i say as far?)

Graffiti? oh well, they flourish everywhere in France. Paint makers must be happy!

After I posted my comments about Marseilles I had second thoughts, for example if travelers only view of New Jersey (where I live) is from the Turnpike or Newark Airport area they would get the idea the whole state was an industrial sprawl surrounded by low income neighborhoods, when in fact the State of New Jersey is the wealthiest in the Nation. So I would really crunch the numbers on Marseilles if I were at CO, to see if it's a diamond in the rough waiting to be realized. Marseilles can't be that bad, Pearl Jam played there last year Smile. IIRC there's also a really nice Four Seasons (or some similar ultra luxury resort) near Marseilles.

Quoting FUN2FLY (Reply 34):
Not sure of the delivery schedule of the 739er's, so only a portion of the 12 752's may be available for 2008 (one already for CLE>CDG) and the remainder for spring 2009

IIRC CO is taking delivery of 18 737-900ERs in 2008, that's what I read from CO's latest quarterly report. Correct me if I'm wrong, 24 orders for 737-900ERs plus three that were converted from the prior order of 15 737-900s (of which 12 were delivered). 27 737-900ERs in all on firm order, with many more possibly converted from the 737-700 order.
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RE: Rumor: CO To Announce EWR-NCE

Thu Aug 30, 2007 4:03 am

Quoting AF777300ER (Reply 26):
why DL has not renewed the flight to ATL they introduced last summer...



Quoting Ncelhr (Reply 36):
That's right. NYC is where the money is. NCE is where it's spent.

DL wont bring it back because it lost money and was a very poor preformer. Not every ATL-Europe route turns to gold and this was one of them.

I dont really know of another market that can support service to NCE besides NYC.
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RE: Rumor: CO To Announce EWR-NCE

Thu Aug 30, 2007 4:09 am

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 3):
Wouldn't 5 weekly EWR-MRS

MRS has no biz travellers whatsoever....barely eco class could be filled

Quoting STT757 (Reply 8):
I got the impression that the Marseilles area was a little economically depressed and had problems with poor North African youths, I could be wrong.

little economically depressed???!!! the question is: is there an economy at all besides social services??

Quoting YULWinterSkies (Reply 27):
I agree with your tourist point of view, yet don't live under the impression that everything is heaven in Nice. It's got also major poverty and racism problems (Le Pen's highest vote in 2002 was in the Alpes-maritimes department of which Nice is the main city, Nice had a Front National mayor for a long while), cost of life is very expensive, unemployment is very high, and whoever can't afford an apartment in the beautiful parts of the city will end up in these poor ghettos somewhere on the hills... The old part is cool but i find the rest of the city very arrogant and overpriced.

please can you dramatize a little more???
I am from NCE downtown and I don't have tons of € ....also as a mixed-blood am no more subject to racism than anywhere else in Europe, not more than in Germany or the UK or the Netherlands
the 20% of Le Pen voters correspond to retired people originally from outside NCE and scared by the eventuality of being agressed by north african youth

people who end up in the ghetto?? yeah, like in Paris, NYC,IAD, LAX, MAD, Berlin.....
and life is not more expensive than in Paris, even cheaper

Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 29):
I would nevertheless not recommend any women to wear expensive handbags with lots of cash or credit-cards

would you recommend it in general? laughing 
it's a big city, you don't do that anywhere
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RE: Rumor: CO To Announce EWR-NCE

Thu Aug 30, 2007 4:19 am

Quoting LGAtoIND (Reply 11):



Quoting LGAtoIND (Reply 11):
Yes. The 757 flies from EWR to places in Germany with no problem

I doubt. IMO the 757 flying westbound over the big pond is going towards its limits. Look - esspecially in the winter/spring time- how may of CO's 757 from TXL, CGN have to refuel enroute to EWR due to the 757's limited range.
btw: I flew on a 757 just 10 days ago from BRU to PHL on US, and we had to go down in Atlantic City due to the fact that PHL was shut down temporarily and we did not have the extra fuel for holding patterns (that's what the flight deck told us). Again: THE 757 isn't and never was designed to do transatlantic business, it was and is a medium jetliner.
 
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RE: Rumor: CO To Announce EWR-NCE

Thu Aug 30, 2007 4:29 am

Quoting Hush-Kit (Reply 43):
we did not have the extra fuel for holding patterns

that's what I fear too
I saw something similar back at CDG with an Air Transat 757

Quoting Hush-Kit (Reply 43):
THE 757 isn't and never was designed to do transatlantic business, it was and is a medium jetliner.

fully agree! also what about cargo? you can't do anything with these tight bellies
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RE: Rumor: CO To Announce EWR-NCE

Thu Aug 30, 2007 4:36 am

Quoting STT757 (Reply 8):
Aixen Provence

Has someone mislaid the space bar?
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RE: Rumor: CO To Announce EWR-NCE

Thu Aug 30, 2007 4:54 am

People here at CO have been saying that NCE has been talked about for years now, so I'm not going to hold my breath. I'll believe it when I see it in the bid packet.
However, one rumor that I've been hearing more and more of lately is that we're starting STR and VIE. STR on the 757, and VIE with the 762 that will be freed up once DUB goes back to the 757 for the winter schedule. Let's all keep our fingers crossed and see what happens - I'd love to see us start VIE!

Cheers,
Nick
 
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RE: Rumor: CO To Announce EWR-NCE

Thu Aug 30, 2007 5:07 am

Quoting PanAm747LHR (Reply 46):
VIE with the 762 that will be freed up once DUB goes back to the 757

I don't get it... CO start VIE with a 767...but on the other hand CO loses biz-travellers over and over to LH on the very profitable IAH-FRA route (LH upgraded IAH-FRA from 343 to 346 due to the high biz-demand earlier this year), what I heard is that CO can not operate IAH-FRA n/s (!!!) due to 767/777 shortage, they will lauch this n/s service when the 787 joins the fleet. Most biz-travellers avoid -if possible- to be booked on flight 50 IAH-FRA with it's stop @ EWR.
 
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RE: Rumor: CO To Announce EWR-NCE

Thu Aug 30, 2007 5:37 am

Another thread awhile back had a link to the VIE airport announcement that CO would start 762 service in the spring. Maybe this one is for real.

As for STR, NCE, MRS, NCL, HEL etc. Do a quick search and save the time of re-hashing old arguments - these have all been rumors for multiple years. Strangely enough, very few rumors about the VIE option which seems to have slipped by all the a.net dreamers.
 
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RE: Rumor: CO To Announce EWR-NCE

Thu Aug 30, 2007 5:52 am

Quoting Hush-Kit (Reply 47):
I don't get it... CO start VIE with a 767...but on the other hand CO loses biz-travellers over and over to LH on the very profitable IAH-FRA route (LH upgraded IAH-FRA from 343 to 346 due to the high biz-demand earlier this year), what I heard is that CO can not operate IAH-FRA n/s (!!!) due to 767/777 shortage, they will lauch this n/s service when the 787 joins the fleet. Most biz-travellers avoid -if possible- to be booked on flight 50 IAH-FRA with it's stop @ EWR.

Ive often wondered this myself. AA brings home buckets of money on DFW-FRA (the only non-LHR route flown with a 777 route by AA) and so does LH. I dont know why CO couldnt at least throw a 764 on it.
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