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UA Needs To Update Their Jetway Banners

Wed Aug 29, 2007 1:17 pm

I fly UA fairly frequently, and for the last 10 years or so I have made them my first choice flying partner, so I'm not complaining. but eveytime I see the banner on the inside of some of the jetways saying We Fly One of the Youngest Fleets I take some issue with that. Somehow I can't agree after having just flown a 737 built in 1985 and before that a 757 built in 1989.
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RE: UA Needs To Update Their Jetway Banners

Wed Aug 29, 2007 1:20 pm

Jetway banners are the lowest priority thing to an airline. Its nothing. There are more important things to UA than jetway banners.
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RE: UA Needs To Update Their Jetway Banners

Wed Aug 29, 2007 2:23 pm

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 1):
Jetway banners are the lowest priority thing to an airline. Its nothing. There are more important things to UA than jetway banners

Thanks for that insightful reply. Gee, I thought UA should sacrifice engine maintenance to remove these banners.  Yeah sure
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RE: UA Needs To Update Their Jetway Banners

Wed Aug 29, 2007 2:34 pm

Quoting Flybynight (Reply 2):
Somehow I can't agree after having just flown a 737 built in 1985 and before that a 757 built in 1989.

I have no idea really whether or not that banner is accurate, but our fleet is still relatively young. The 777's are mostly less than 10 years old, as are the A320's. Most of the 757's are mid 90's vintage or later. The -400's are early 90's (maybe 1989) vintage or newer. The real age of the fleet does not matter as much as the quality of the maintenance, and UA has excellent maintenance. The guppies are getting a bit long in the tooth, but I think they'll only be around for a few more years anyway. Is NW still flying DC-9's? Maybe they can pick me up after I part my 777 in the desert.
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RE: UA Needs To Update Their Jetway Banners

Wed Aug 29, 2007 2:44 pm

Quoting Tozairport (Reply 3):
The guppies are getting a bit long in the tooth, but I think they'll only be around for a few more years anyway. Is NW still flying DC-9's? Maybe they can pick me up after I part my 777 in the desert.

Yes, I believe those NW DC9's will be flying until the reach 50 years old. Some are right around 40. Pretty amazing when you think about it.

This isn't about the safety of UA's fleet, it is simply that UA is far from flying one of the youngest fleet's anymore. I think the last plane UA got was an A319 back in '02. Is that correct? Not sure.
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Wed Aug 29, 2007 3:42 pm

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RE: UA Needs To Update Their Jetway Banners

Wed Aug 29, 2007 4:52 pm

Quoting Flybynight (Thread starter):
I fly UA fairly frequently, and for the last 10 years or so I have made them my first choice flying partner, so I'm not complaining. but eveytime I see the banner on the inside of some of the jetways saying We Fly One of the Youngest Fleets I take some issue with that. Somehow I can't agree after having just flown a 737 built in 1985 and before that a 757 built in 1989.

They do fly one of the youngest fleets, not sure what your going on about here, I note you have started two threads, one could have covered both issues. Tozarairport has a point, try flying on NW's old DC 9's, they are old but perfectly maintained.
 
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Wed Aug 29, 2007 6:26 pm

Semi related to the topic I noticed that LGA has now done their impression of LHR and LGW, with HSBC logos now appearing on all the jetways in the airport, save for the United ones, which still boast the UA emblem. How long before UA finally caves into this one?
 
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Wed Aug 29, 2007 10:56 pm

Quoting Flybynight (Thread starter):
I fly UA fairly frequently, and for the last 10 years or so I have made them my first choice flying partner, so I'm not complaining. but eveytime I see the banner on the inside of some of the jetways saying We Fly One of the Youngest Fleets I take some issue with that. Somehow I can't agree after having just flown a 737 built in 1985 and before that a 757 built in 1989.

Look it up, UA has one of the youngest fleets for an airline of its size (esp. in the U.S.). Or you could search for another thread about it, it's been discussed ad nauseum on these boards. I'd almost say it's number two to: "When is NW going to retire their DC-9s"
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RE: UA Needs To Update Their Jetway Banners

Wed Aug 29, 2007 11:45 pm

Quoting Tozairport (Reply 3):
The guppies are getting a bit long in the tooth

Guppies?
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RE: UA Needs To Update Their Jetway Banners

Wed Aug 29, 2007 11:56 pm

guppy is the nickname for the 737's
 
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Thu Aug 30, 2007 12:53 am

Quoting 777DEN (Reply 10):
guppy is the nickname for the 737's

I thought it meant Gay Urban Professional.
 
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Thu Aug 30, 2007 1:59 am

Quoting 777DEN (Reply 10):
guppy is the nickname for the 737's

How did UA employees come up with such a silly nickname for the 737? I believe that they are the only airline that refers theirs 737s as Guppies.
 
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Thu Aug 30, 2007 2:01 am

Quoting UAL777UK (Reply 6):
They do fly one of the youngest fleets, not sure what your going on about here,



Quoting RDUDDJI (Reply 8):
Look it up, UA has one of the youngest fleets for an airline of its size (esp. in the U.S.).

United has a fleet that is older than average if you look at all US airlines, or at airlines with over 200 aircraft (CO, WN, NW, US, UA, DL, & AA)

Source: airfleets.com

Airline Average Age
JetBlue 3.1
Skybus 3.4
Spirit 3.5
AirTran 4.2
Alaska 9.0
Continental 9.7
Southwest 9.8
Midwest 10.0
Northwest 11.1
UsAir 12.1
United 13.1
Delta 13.5
American 14.4
Allegiant 17.2
Aloha 18.3

United's fleet breakdown
http://www.airfleets.net/ageflotte/United%20Airlines.htm

Aircraft # in Fleet Age
Airbus A319 55 7.6
Airbus A320 39 11.3
Boeing 737 90 17.8
Boeing 747 30 12.1
Boeing 757 97 15.3
Boeing 767 35 12.2
Boeing 777 52 9.0
 
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Thu Aug 30, 2007 2:02 am

Quoting Flybynight (Thread starter):
I fly UA fairly frequently, and for the last 10 years or so I have made them my first choice flying partner, so I'm not complaining. but eveytime I see the banner on the inside of some of the jetways saying We Fly One of the Youngest Fleets I take some issue with that. Somehow I can't agree after having just flown a 737 built in 1985 and before that a 757 built in 1989.

Are you refering to UA's jetway banners at IAD ? I know that the alot of the ones there are extremely old and believe that there are a few that I have seen there, date back to the late 80s.
 
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Thu Aug 30, 2007 2:05 am

Quoting KBMIFlyer (Reply 13):
Northwest 11.1

That stat surprises me because of their large aging DC9 fleet.
 
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Thu Aug 30, 2007 2:09 am

Quoting IADCRJ (Reply 14):
Are you refering to UA's jetway banners at IAD ? I know that the alot of the ones there are extremely old and believe that there are a few that I have seen there, date back to the late 80s.

Specifically at O'Hare and SEA is where I've noticed them lately. I'll check Denver tomorrow.

RDU - UA's fleet is NOT one of the youngest anymore. Just not true. Before you post you should check your facts. Even amongst US carriers UA ranks towards the bottom.
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Thu Aug 30, 2007 2:25 am

Quoting Flybynight (Reply 16):
Specifically at O'Hare and SEA is where I've noticed them lately. I'll check Denver tomorrow.

I have not ever really noticed them at ORD or DEN . Is it more of the UA express area of the lower C gates and the E / F gates at ORD that are very old? I fly in and out of DEN alot and know at DEN the UA banner and logos at the gate areas desparately need to be updated along with IAD. I know that alot of the exterior banners and logos at all of UA's hub airports still need to be changed to the current one.

Quoting IADCRJ (Reply 14):
Quoting Flybynight (Thread starter):
I fly UA fairly frequently, and for the last 10 years or so I have made them my first choice flying partner, so I'm not complaining. but eveytime I see the banner on the inside of some of the jetways saying We Fly One of the Youngest Fleets I take some issue with that. Somehow I can't agree after having just flown a 737 built in 1985 and before that a 757 built in 1989.

Are you refering to UA's jetway banners at IAD ? I know that the alot of the ones there are extremely old and believe that there are a few that I have seen there, date back to the late 80s.

I also forgot to mention that I flew on UA via SFO about a month ago and did notice similar extremely old banners in the jetways there as I have seen at IAD.
 
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Thu Aug 30, 2007 2:36 am

Quoting Flybynight (Reply 16):
RDU - UA's fleet is NOT one of the youngest anymore. Just not true. Before you post you should check your facts. Even amongst US carriers UA ranks towards the bottom.

Don't believe everything you read...the list above doesn't factor in NW's DC9's which IIRC move them to about 18 years average for the fleet. I'd also question USAir's number...not sure if that's pre/post HP merger.

So assuming the rest of the above data is correct...UA is right in the middle. They are actually all very close with the exception of NW. When the aforementioned jetway posters were put up, they probably were at the top of the pack.

From above:
Continental 9.7
UsAir 12.1
United 13.1 (actually more like 12.3)
Delta 13.5
American 14.4
Northwest 11.1 + DC9's = 18ish.
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RE: UA Needs To Update Their Jetway Banners

Thu Aug 30, 2007 2:41 am

Quoting IADCRJ (Reply 15):
That stat surprises me because of their large aging DC9 fleet.

DC9 is not supported by airfleets, thus that 11.1years figure has no relevance.
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RE: UA Needs To Update Their Jetway Banners

Thu Aug 30, 2007 2:42 am

Quoting IADCRJ (Reply 12):

How did UA employees come up with such a silly nickname for the 737? I believe that they are the only airline that refers theirs 737s as Guppies.

Because it looks like a guppy.
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Thu Aug 30, 2007 2:46 am

STL still has a sign with the old (80s blue/orange scheme) United font up at the end of Concourse A. I think it's kind of cool (granted, it's not misleading like these banners, but it's still something that some would say should have come down long ago).
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Thu Aug 30, 2007 4:24 am

I'm thinking that airfleets.net has a few errors on it. For example, take the American Eagle fleet into consideration. Their oldest CRJ was delivered on 3/10/2001, so it's almost 6.5 years old. Yet, airfleets states that the average age of the CRJs for them is 8.3 years. What's the deal with that?
 
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RE: UA Needs To Update Their Jetway Banners

Thu Aug 30, 2007 4:26 am

Just one question I have: Why are jetway banners so important when airlines have more important things to deal with?
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RE: UA Needs To Update Their Jetway Banners

Thu Aug 30, 2007 4:38 am

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 23):
Just one question I have: Why are jetway banners so important when airlines have more important things to deal with?

Some people on this board have too much time on their hands.

Exactly what I thought when I read this thread. Couldn't care less if it has a RBS or HSBC advertisement or says FR might fly A380s in the future.
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RE: UA Needs To Update Their Jetway Banners

Thu Aug 30, 2007 4:43 am

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 23):
Just one question I have: Why are jetway banners so important when airlines have more important things to deal with?



Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 1):
Jetway banners are the lowest priority thing to an airline. Its nothing. There are more important things to UA than jetway banners.

Marketing is never the lowest priority thing to an airline. Jetway posters or placards are a great way to reach a very targeted (and sometimes captive) audience. Several thousand travelers each week (especially at a major UA station) might use a particular jetway. Why not announce new routes, interiors or fleet additions? The cost for printing and design (my business) is minuscule for the potential return.
 
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Thu Aug 30, 2007 4:43 am

Quoting Tozairport (Reply 3):
Maybe they can pick me up after I part my 777 in the desert.

Did you finally get moved up?

Quoting Apodino (Reply 7):
How long before UA finally caves into this one?

Perhaps when HSBC offers them enough money to make it worthwhile.

Quoting KBMIFlyer (Reply 13):

Source: airfleets.com

Airfleets may even be less accurate than the A.net database, which is saying something.

Quoting IADCRJ (Reply 15):

That stat surprises me because of their large aging DC9 fleet.

It doesn't include those aircraft.
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Thu Aug 30, 2007 5:13 am

can't they just task someone to go in and remove those banners? it can't be that hard.
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RE: UA Needs To Update Their Jetway Banners

Mon Sep 03, 2007 7:49 am

Quoting Lufthansa747 (Reply 24):
Some people on this board have too much time on their hands.

So why did you read the thread or even more strangely answer it. Geez.

Also, if you think advertising is not important you'd better go back to school.
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Mon Sep 03, 2007 8:59 am

Quoting IADCRJ (Reply 12):
How did UA employees come up with such a silly nickname for the 737? I believe that they are the only airline that refers theirs 737s as Guppies.

Not just UA uses the nickname "guppy". And why do you think it's "silly"?? It's more a term of endearment, as a lot of the folks on the ramp like working the 737's a lot more than other planes.

There are also more specific nicknames for each model of 737. Off the top of my head, some others are:

732: thunder guppy
735: stubby guppy
738: yuppie guppy
 
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Mon Sep 03, 2007 2:47 pm

Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 29):

ATC (at least in ORD) refer to 737's as guppies. I hear it all the time (though most likely the same controller).
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Mon Sep 03, 2007 11:54 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 26):
Did you finally get moved up?

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Tue Sep 04, 2007 10:37 am

Quoting IADCRJ (Reply 12):
How did UA employees come up with such a silly nickname for the 737? I believe that they are the only airline that refers theirs 737s as Guppies.

One of their pilots told me once the crews referred to the old 200's as Guppies when they flew the 200/300 and 500. The nickname just stuck once the 200's were retired.
 
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Tue Sep 04, 2007 12:22 pm

Quoting CWAFlyer (Reply 32):
One of their pilots told me once the crews referred to the old 200's as Guppies when they flew the 200/300 and 500. The nickname just stuck once the 200's were retired.

True enough. The -200's were actually known as "thunder guppies" and the -300/500's were sometimes called "yuppie guppies". Affectionate nickname for a great airplane.
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Tue Sep 04, 2007 3:04 pm

Quoting Tozairport (Reply 33):
and the -300/500's were sometimes called "yuppie guppies"

Of course there is no one written rule or anything for aircraft nicknames, but it's always been my understanding that the "yuppie guppies" are the 737NG's. As per the dictionary definition:

"a well paid young middle-class professional"

'Young' being the operative word, which most certainly does not apply to UA's 733/735 fleet  Wink
 
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Tue Sep 04, 2007 3:16 pm

Quoting Tozairport (Reply 3):
I have no idea really whether or not that banner is accurate, but our fleet is still relatively young. The 777's are mostly less than 10 years old, as are the A320's. Most of the 757's are mid 90's vintage or later. The -400's are early 90's (maybe 1989) vintage or newer. The real age of the fleet does not matter as much as the quality of the maintenance, and UA has excellent maintenance. The guppies are getting a bit long in the tooth, but I think they'll only be around for a few more years anyway. Is NW still flying DC-9's? Maybe they can pick me up after I part my 777 in the desert.

United Airlines never flew 737-400s. Only US Airways and Alaska Airlines have in the US.
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Tue Sep 04, 2007 3:51 pm

Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 34):
'Young' being the operative word, which most certainly does not apply to UA's 733/735 fleet

They were fairly young when I first flew them in '95, so I hate to call them old (makes me feel like I'm getting older). Let's just call them "experienced" and leave it at that  bigthumbsup  .

Quoting USPIT10L (Reply 35):
United Airlines never flew 737-400s. Only US Airways and Alaska Airlines have in the US.

I was talking about the 747-400's.

Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 34):
Of course there is no one written rule or anything for aircraft nicknames, but it's always been my understanding that the "yuppie guppies" are the 737NG's. As per the dictionary definition:

Could be true, I don't know about the NG's. I know we were calling the -300's/-500's that at UA back in '95 when I was hired, but the name could have continued on to the newer models.
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Tue Sep 04, 2007 3:58 pm

Quoting Tozairport (Reply 36):
They were fairly young when I first flew them in '95, so I hate to call them old (makes me feel like I'm getting older). Let's just call them "experienced" and leave it at that

I threw "experienced" into my computer's thesaurus, and it gave me nothing that rhymed with guppy, so I suppose we'll just have to choose from the next-best alternatives:

expert guppy
well-versed guppy
seasoned guppy
proficient guppy
veteran guppy

and my personal favorite.....

streetwise guppy  Big grin
 
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Tue Sep 04, 2007 4:05 pm

Quoting Tozairport (Reply 36):
Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 34):
'Young' being the operative word, which most certainly does not apply to UA's 733/735 fleet

They were fairly young when I first flew them in '95, so I hate to call them old (makes me feel like I'm getting older). Let's just call them "experienced" and leave it at that .

Quoting USPIT10L (Reply 35):
United Airlines never flew 737-400s. Only US Airways and Alaska Airlines have in the US.

I was talking about the 747-400's.

Okay.

Yeah, the 735s weren't very old at all. Too bad UA could never fill them adequately lately. When I cleaned their aircraft at DGS we worked the 733s, 735s, 319s, and 320s with regularity. For a while, UA even flew in 757s during the Christmas season--what a pain that was, compared to the smaller aircraft.
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Tue Sep 04, 2007 4:12 pm

Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 37):
streetwise guppy Big grin

 bigthumbsup   bigthumbsup   bigthumbsup  I like it.
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RE: UA Needs To Update Their Jetway Banners

Tue Sep 04, 2007 7:30 pm

Quoting Apodino (Reply 7):
Semi related to the topic I noticed that LGA has now done their impression of LHR and LGW, with HSBC logos now appearing on all the jetways in the airport, save for the United ones, which still boast the UA emblem. How long before UA finally caves into this one?

ATH is infested with HSBC garbage as well.
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Tue Sep 04, 2007 7:48 pm

Quoting Apodino (Reply 7):
Semi related to the topic I noticed that LGA has now done their impression of LHR and LGW, with HSBC logos now appearing on all the jetways in the airport, save for the United ones, which still boast the UA emblem. How long before UA finally caves into this one?

Actually quite a few US Airports including JFK now have those red HSBC signs on all or most jetways. And while in LGA UA does not have them on their jetways the HSBC signs are located on the terminal side just above each UA jetway. And BTW when I work Ramp Control at LGA one of the most frequently asked questions I get from crews is what does HSBC stand for ? For those who do not know it is "Hong Kong Shanghai Banking Corporation".

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Tue Sep 04, 2007 11:49 pm

Quoting CWAFlyer (Reply 32):
One of their pilots told me once the crews referred to the old 200's as Guppies when they flew the 200/300 and 500. The nickname just stuck once the 200's were retired.

Has the Guppy nickname at UA for the 737 been around since the delivery of the first 200 series aircraftt back in the late 1960s?

Quoting Tozairport (Reply 33):
The -200's were actually known as "thunder guppies"

Very true do to the use of the JT8D engines.