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A380 Hits Airport Hangar In Bangkok

Sat Sep 01, 2007 3:40 pm

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,22344742-1702,00.html

THE Airbus A380 has hit an airport hangar in Bangkok, forcing the world's largest passenger jet to delay its take-off today on a demonstration tour.

The bump caused slight damage to the left wing of the double-decker plane, an Airbus official said


ANYBODY KNOW MORE?
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RE: A380 Hits Airport Hangar In Bangkok

Sat Sep 01, 2007 3:46 pm

I guess the damage wasn't too bad. Next time they should watch where they are going, and plan better to use taxiways that provide adequate clearance, or follow the centerline.
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RE: A380 Hits Airport Hangar In Bangkok

Sat Sep 01, 2007 4:20 pm

Is it the first A380 incident in the world?
 
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RE: A380 Hits Airport Hangar In Bangkok

Sat Sep 01, 2007 4:28 pm

Awwww, her first incident.

No doubt a parents proudest day when they hear their baby's pilot say, "DO'OH!!!"
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RE: A380 Hits Airport Hangar In Bangkok

Sat Sep 01, 2007 4:31 pm

Oh that sucks, but i guess its good that it happened while still in custody of Airbus, i guess this is a great opportunity for Airbus to prove how easy it is to fix the big girl.

I suppose all of us can just figure that this is just a part of the testing phase  Smile Inevitable.

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RE: A380 Hits Airport Hangar In Bangkok

Sat Sep 01, 2007 5:24 pm

Wow! This is amazing...
Not really good publicity, is it?

I wonder who was the cockpit crew on board and mostly who was the chief pilot?
Fernando Alonso was just named to replace Mr Lelaie some days back.

Also I wonder if this will have any influence on future BigBus sales.
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RE: A380 Hits Airport Hangar In Bangkok

Sat Sep 01, 2007 5:35 pm

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 5):
Also I wonder if this will have any influence on future BigBus sales.

After all the noise about having to reconfigure gates to accomodate the beast, it's kind of ironic. Having A380 compatible gates makes no difference if the plane can't easily get from the runway to the ramp!

Kind of reminds me of the story about the birthday cake that the stewards decided to bake onboard for President Harry Truman. They wanted to present it to him in the main cabin but in the haste of organizing, neglected to determine that the serving sheet would fit through the doorway leading to the main cabin. The result of this was that after much effort went in to baking and decorating the cake, they discovered that it would not fit through the door and they ended up having to have the President come up to the galley to cut the cake.
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RE: A380 Hits Airport Hangar In Bangkok

Sat Sep 01, 2007 5:46 pm

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 5):
Also I wonder if this will have any influence on future BigBus sales.

Just to get any misunderstanding out of the way: that WAS sarcasm, right?
 
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RE: A380 Hits Airport Hangar In Bangkok

Sat Sep 01, 2007 5:48 pm

Quoting 57AZ (Reply 6):
Kind of reminds me of the story about the birthday cake that the stewards decided to bake onboard for President Harry Truman. They wanted to present it to him in the main cabin but in the haste of organizing, neglected to determine that the serving sheet would fit through the doorway leading to the main cabin. The result of this was that after much effort went in to baking and decorating the cake, they discovered that it would not fit through the door and they ended up having to have the President come up to the galley to cut the cake.

Do you really believe that yourself?  Wink

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RE: A380 Hits Airport Hangar In Bangkok

Sat Sep 01, 2007 6:06 pm

Quoting AirTranTUS (Reply 1):
Next time they should watch where they are going, and plan better to use taxiways that provide adequate clearance, or follow the centerline.

Maybe next time you should wait till there's more information available before drawing wild conclusions. sarcastic 
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RE: A380 Hits Airport Hangar In Bangkok

Sat Sep 01, 2007 6:45 pm

Ouch, its first scratch! Hopefully, this will be the first scratch in a long career. Planes get dinged all the time, maybe not as often as cars, nothing to worry about I should hope!
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RE: A380 Hits Airport Hangar In Bangkok

Sat Sep 01, 2007 6:57 pm

Amazing how a simple topic can once again cause so much furor and cross arguments amongst and between a.net members, and as i post this its a reletavely new topic at that.

Why cant we all be a happy family and simply be aircraft and air travel enthusiasts.
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RE: A380 Hits Airport Hangar In Bangkok

Sat Sep 01, 2007 7:02 pm

from http://www.nationmultimedia.com/breakingnews/read.php?newsid=30047377

"Airbus collides with a bus at Suvannabhumi airport


An Airbus aircraft backward collision with gate of a hangar at Suvannabhumir airport on Saturday."

Did it hit an hanger, a bus, during taxi, during push back ?
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RE: A380 Hits Airport Hangar In Bangkok

Sat Sep 01, 2007 7:08 pm

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 5):
Wow! This is amazing...
Not really good publicity, is it?

It doesnt say in the article in anyway that the A380 aircraft was at fault. Only the pilots or ground crew were
 
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RE: A380 Hits Airport Hangar In Bangkok

Sat Sep 01, 2007 7:40 pm

any photos available ??
i think our fellows in BKK should help in this
 
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RE: A380 Hits Airport Hangar In Bangkok

Sat Sep 01, 2007 7:47 pm

Guys, it's just part of the testing program.  Big grin
 
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RE: A380 Hits Airport Hangar In Bangkok

Sat Sep 01, 2007 7:49 pm

Quoting UAEflyer (Reply 14):
any photos available ??



Lots of damage  sarcastic 
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RE: A380 Hits Airport Hangar In Bangkok

Sat Sep 01, 2007 8:09 pm

Thank you Zeke, they don't have a picture from the other side of the winglet?
 
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RE: A380 Hits Airport Hangar In Bangkok

Sat Sep 01, 2007 8:13 pm


Copyright AFP / Der Spiegel.

This one looks slightly more dramatic ...

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RE: A380 Hits Airport Hangar In Bangkok

Sat Sep 01, 2007 8:14 pm

From the Bangkok Post:

http://www.bangkokpost.net/topstories/topstories.php?id=121282


Superjumbo damaged in Bangkok mishap
BangkokPost.com, DPA

A tip of an Airbus A380's wing scraped a repair building at the Suvarnabhumi airport while preparing for a test flight to Chiang Mai on Saturday morning.

European plane maker Airbus let Thai Airways International (THAI) uses the world's largest passenger plane in a trial flight from Bangkok to Chiang Mai.

The plane, which arrived in Thailand on Friday as part of an Asian tour to promote its sales, carried 150 VIP guests, businessmen and reporters on this special flight. It was scheduled to leave the airport at 9.45am.

Its tip hit the building when it was backing out of the parking area to the taxiway, officials said. There were no injuries.

THAI president Apinan Sumanaseni said minor damage occurred to the jet's winglet, and expected that it would take an hour to fix the damage. The flight would be resumed on Saturday afternoon.

The pushback vehicle operator was not blamed for the damage as Mr Apinan said the accident occurred because the jet is so large that it needs more space on the taxiway.

Airbus officials were sanguine.

"This sort of thing happens every day, in every airport around the world," said Edouard Ullmo, Airbus' executive vice president of sales for Asia Pacific.

Airbus decided to remove both winglets, designed to stabilise the aircraft in heavy turbulence, before resuming the flight to Chiang Mai Saturday afternoon.

"We can fly with one winglet or no winglets," said Ullmo. "This is standard procedure."

THAI ordered six A380 megajets, which will be delivered in the next two years.

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RE: A380 Hits Airport Hangar In Bangkok

Sat Sep 01, 2007 8:14 pm

Thank you Zeke
it seems it is major injury !!
 
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RE: A380 Hits Airport Hangar In Bangkok

Sat Sep 01, 2007 8:21 pm

Quoting LH526 (Reply 18):

This one looks slightly more dramatic ...

Yes, but that's because the wing-fences have been purposely removed before the plane departed. Wing-fences can relatively easily be removed and they do not affect the aircraft performance, except for efficiency.
I reckon Airbus is getting the damaged parts fixed in BKK and then installed on the plane again, or it is bringing new parts from TLS if they cannot be repaired locally.
 
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RE: A380 Hits Airport Hangar In Bangkok

Sat Sep 01, 2007 8:22 pm

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 19):

Airbus decided to remove both winglets, designed to stabilise the aircraft in heavy turbulence, before resuming the flight to Chiang Mai Saturday afternoon.

This says a whole lot about the knowledge of the media about aviation.
 
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RE: A380 Hits Airport Hangar In Bangkok

Sat Sep 01, 2007 8:31 pm

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 5):
I wonder if this will have any influence on future BigBus sales.

Yes many Airline CEO's are now rushing into boardrooms to discuss wether to cancel their orders completely and switch over to the 748 camp . This also pretty much does it for any chances Airbus had of selling the 380 to BA .  Wink
 
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RE: A380 Hits Airport Hangar In Bangkok

Sat Sep 01, 2007 8:35 pm

Video available here in French : http://tf1.lci.fr/infos/economie/0,,...age-bangkok-pour-airbus-a380-.html

Note how big is the winglet, amazing !!

[Edited 2007-09-01 13:37:08]
 
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RE: A380 Hits Airport Hangar In Bangkok

Sat Sep 01, 2007 8:39 pm

Not me... the BKK Post!  Big grin

Quoting PHKLM (Reply 22):
Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 19):
There was a better way to fly it was called Concorde
 
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RE: A380 Hits Airport Hangar In Bangkok

Sat Sep 01, 2007 8:43 pm

Quoting Bringiton (Reply 23):
Yes many Airline CEO's are now rushing into boardrooms to discuss wether to cancel their orders completely and switch over to the 748 camp . This also pretty much does it for any chances Airbus had of selling the 380 to BA .

Exactly, and I just heard that SQ - after visiting the site - is now insisting on the installation of airbags for each seat or - as an alternative - that Airbus just cuts off 5 m of each wing...  Wink
 
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RE: A380 Hits Airport Hangar In Bangkok

Sat Sep 01, 2007 9:10 pm

Quoting PHKLM (Reply 21):
Yes, but that's because the wing-fences have been purposely removed before the plane departed. Wing-fences can relatively easily be removed and they do not affect the aircraft performance, except for efficiency.
I reckon Airbus is getting the damaged parts fixed in BKK and then installed on the plane again, or it is bringing new parts from TLS if they cannot be repaired locally.

Right .. that's why I wrote slightly ... not that big a deal in total.
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RE: A380 Hits Airport Hangar In Bangkok

Sat Sep 01, 2007 10:25 pm

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 19):
and expected that it would take an hour to fix the damage

That doesn't seem too serious. You would think Thai would be a bit more careful, though.

Glad she was back in the air quickly.
 
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RE: A380 Hits Airport Hangar In Bangkok

Sat Sep 01, 2007 10:39 pm

Anyone got any pics of her flying without winglets?
 
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RE: A380 Hits Airport Hangar In Bangkok

Sat Sep 01, 2007 10:41 pm

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 19):
The pushback vehicle operator was not blamed for the damage as Mr Apinan said the accident occurred because the jet is so large that it needs more space on the taxiway.

But he'll forever be known on the ramp as "that guy who scraped the A380..."  tongue  It'll be a good story to tell.
 
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RE: A380 Hits Airport Hangar In Bangkok

Sat Sep 01, 2007 10:44 pm

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 19):
The pushback vehicle operator was not blamed for the damage as Mr Apinan said the accident occurred because the jet is so large that it needs more space on the taxiway.

????????

Wow there is an statement, yep lets blame the size.

Thanks Zeke for the photo and remember all pilots, if a ground crew puts your "big" aircraft in to a building/opsticle it is never the ground crews fault it is the size of your aircraft!!!!!

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RE: A380 Hits Airport Hangar In Bangkok

Sat Sep 01, 2007 10:57 pm

well bumping into a hangar isn't exactly what you want when you are doing a "demonstration" tour to prove that the plane works with airports, the picture looks worse than a bump it looks like the left wing winglet thing broke off
 
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RE: A380 Hits Airport Hangar In Bangkok

Sat Sep 01, 2007 11:00 pm

Quoting DL767captain (Reply 32):
the picture looks worse than a bump it looks like the left wing winglet thing broke off

Look at reply 16: it was taken off for repair after the bump.
 
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RE: A380 Hits Airport Hangar In Bangkok

Sat Sep 01, 2007 11:09 pm

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 19):
"This sort of thing happens every day, in every airport around the world," said Edouard Ullmo, Airbus' executive vice president of sales for Asia Pacific.
Airbus decided to remove both winglets, designed to stabilise the aircraft in heavy turbulence, before resuming the flight to Chiang Mai Saturday afternoon.
"We can fly with one winglet or no winglets," said Ullmo. "This is standard procedure."

Of course, no conclusion can be drawn before more is known.

But trying in advance to bagatellize is surly not the right way to handle it and can backfire!!

Finally: has the aircraft departed Satuday afternoon ??

TKV

[Edited 2007-09-01 16:11:56]
 
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RE: A380 Hits Airport Hangar In Bangkok

Sat Sep 01, 2007 11:19 pm

Of course the worlds biggest plane will have the most trouble bumping into things at airports. The new 748 will have the same type of problems for a while too. They'll get it sorted out.

The rule should be to have a couple extra people on hand watching pushbacks until they're sure about positioning.
 
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RE: A380 Hits Airport Hangar In Bangkok

Sat Sep 01, 2007 11:20 pm

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 19):
The pushback vehicle operator was not blamed for the damage as Mr Apinan said the accident occurred because the jet is so large that it needs more space on the taxiway.

Now that's an excuse !
So typical...

It's like trying to put a car in a fridge : I'm not stupid, this is the car too big !

[Edited 2007-09-01 16:25:46]
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RE: A380 Hits Airport Hangar In Bangkok

Sat Sep 01, 2007 11:34 pm

Quoting TKV (Reply 34):
But trying in advance to bagatellize is surly not the right way to handle it and can backfire!!

Oh come on  Yeah sure He just stated the facts: this kind of thing does happen all around the world on a very regular basis, and flying with one or no winglets is a pretty normal thing.

What is 'not the right way to handle it' is trying to hint that what is a pretty mundaine occurrence (that would not even have been reported had it not been an A380) happened because of some 'underlying' issue, just because you don't like the plane.
 
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RE: A380 Hits Airport Hangar In Bangkok

Sat Sep 01, 2007 11:42 pm

A pretty silly error. But... it's not a big deal. It'll give Airbus a chance to actually fix the big bird in a "real world" scenerio. I wonder what happened? How do you do that? I will say though, this program has had the worst luck. It's to early to rename it the A-3FRIDAYTHE13TH. Perhaps the Thais could give it some good Jos. (Luck).
 
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RE: A380 Hits Airport Hangar In Bangkok

Sat Sep 01, 2007 11:42 pm

It would have been the -one piece design- wing of the 787, as shown on some advertisings it would have been dramatic !  Smile
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RE: A380 Hits Airport Hangar In Bangkok

Sat Sep 01, 2007 11:46 pm

I think this looked worse for THAI than Airbus.

It might even look good for the A380s operational capabilities - it's able to take a little hard-handling, but still be back up within the hour.

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RE: A380 Hits Airport Hangar In Bangkok

Sat Sep 01, 2007 11:55 pm

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 19):
"This sort of thing happens every day, in every airport around the world," said Edouard Ullmo, Airbus' executive vice president of sales for Asia Pacific.

If this sort of thing happened every day at every airport around the world, there would be a lot of drug tests and fired people.

The pushback driver shouldn't have been blamed if his wingwalkers weren't paying attention. However, this just makes a pickle side of the crap sandwich that has been the tour of the 380.

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RE: A380 Hits Airport Hangar In Bangkok

Sun Sep 02, 2007 12:02 am

Quoting Aither (Reply 36):
It's like trying to put a car in a fridge : I'm not stupid, this is the car too big !

Right, and that's why Jeppesen has plenty of charts including taxiway wing clearance width and other viable information to bring your plane safe from Gate to "Gear up"

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RE: A380 Hits Airport Hangar In Bangkok

Sun Sep 02, 2007 12:07 am

Quoting Swissy (Reply 31):
it is never the ground crews fault it is the size of your aircraft!!!!!

It's the hangar's fault - if it wasn't there, it wouldn't be hit.  Wink
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RE: A380 Hits Airport Hangar In Bangkok

Sun Sep 02, 2007 12:11 am

Damn hangars! They are always in the stinking way!
 
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RE: A380 Hits Airport Hangar In Bangkok

Sun Sep 02, 2007 12:13 am

Quoting Scorpio (Reply 37):
Quoting TKV (Reply 34):
But trying in advance to bagatellize is surly not the right way to handle it and can backfire!!

Oh come on Yeah sure He just stated the facts: this kind of thing does happen all around the world on a very regular basis, and flying with one or no winglets is a pretty normal thing.

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RE: A380 Hits Airport Hangar In Bangkok

Sun Sep 02, 2007 12:22 am

These are among the dumbest accidents. It must drive airlines and insurance companys literally crazy. As a side note, my mother was on a PIA flight from Karachi to London via Theran in the mid 1970's. The 747-100 was taxing at Theran. It's wing clipped an Iranian airforce F-4 (?) at a slow speed. Not only was the impact much more jarring than one would expect at that speed... but the damage to the wingtip was fairly serious. It required a back up plane to be sent to complete the trip. Point being; a slow speed impact can still do quite a bit of damage. I wonder if A is concerned about stress cracks?
 
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RE: A380 Hits Airport Hangar In Bangkok

Sun Sep 02, 2007 12:23 am

It wasn't the push back driver's fault, it wasn't the wing walker's fault, it was the asphalt!]

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RE: A380 Hits Airport Hangar In Bangkok

Sun Sep 02, 2007 12:27 am

She is no longer a Virgin!!!

Will this be the same a/c coming to the US in October?

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RE: A380 Hits Airport Hangar In Bangkok

Sun Sep 02, 2007 12:28 am

Stupid stubborn hangar!! It's just like walking around at Disney Lane, no one will get out of your way!!